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Old 10th November 2019, 01:04 PM   #2161
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Question What is the Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88

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Expect deafening silence from Sol88 about the Thunderbolts cult insane electric sun dogma.
Consider that we detect neutrinos from solar fusion. Add that we are not flooded with the gamma radiation from that fusion. Add that the only place in the Sun with the physical conditions for fusion is the core of the Sun. Add that basic physics (thermal pressure balancing gravity) means the Sun has to have an internal heat source. The rational, scientific conclusion is that the Sun must be powered by fusion in its core because the physical evidence supports that.

What is the official Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88?

That should be a source backed up with science and matching the real Sun (the measured neutrino flux, the lack of fusion specific gamma radiation, evidence for the temperatures and pressures needed for fusion)

For others: The answer depends which cult member you ask!
Testing the Electric Universe In Pseudoscience by Brian Koberlein 25 February 2014 looked at a EU e-book with endorsements by Wallace Thornhill and Dr Donald E Scott. That book just denies a fusion powered Sun and ignores the solar neutrino flux.

Just-So Story In Pseudoscience by Brian Koberlein 27 January 2018
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There’s a lot of strange claims made in the EU model, but one of the strangest is that stars are not powered by nuclear fusion. Findlay’s book reiterates this point numerous times, arguing that fusion does not occur in stars. In chapter 4, Findlay writes:
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In Chapter 6, Findlay explains that stars shine due to cosmic electric currents flowing through a star’s plasmasphere. Rather than nuclear fusion, stars are powered like an arc light.
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Of course the problem is that there isn’t just one EU model at this point, there are several conflicting versions of them. To my best current understanding, some EU models say fusion doesn’t occur at all, some EU supporters claim neutrinos don’t even exist, and some claim fusion occurs near stellar surfaces, but (as far as I know) all claim fusion does not occur in stellar cores. Again, to my understanding, if core fusion were shown to be valid, it would overturn the electric star claims of EU models, and thus most of EU in general.

If fusion occurred near a Sun’s surface, it would produce neutrinos, so the mere detection of solar neutrinos is consistent with both surface and core fusion models. However, we can do much more than detect solar neutrinos. We now have measurements of both the types (flavors) of neutrinos and their energy levels. We know the rate at which solar neutrinos are generated at various energy levels. What we find is that the energy of neutrinos follows a thermal distribution consistent with the thermal distribution we expect in the core (that is, produced by intense heat and pressure). Fusion produced by electromagnetic plasmas would have a different spectrum, which isn’t observed in solar neutrinos. We know this because we use particle accelerators (electromagnetic plasmas) to produce neutrinos in the lab. More recently we have finally detected neutrinos from the fundamental proton-proton collisions in the Sun’s core, which is consistent with core fusion.

Even if EU’s surface fusion model could be tweaked to mimic core fusion, there were still be the issue of high energy gamma rays.

EU supporters posted some abysmal levels of ignorance, e.g. read the stupid "The EU model suggests Neutrinos are formed through the process of Fission in the photosphere, not fusion" comment !

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Old 19th November 2019, 01:26 PM   #2162
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Blowtorch jets from a black hole drive starbirth https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...38-4357/ab464c


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Galaxy clusters are the largest structures in the cosmos that are held together by gravity, consisting of hundreds or thousands of galaxies embedded in hot gas, as well as invisible dark matter. The largest supermassive black holes known are in galaxies at the centers of these clusters.

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The large galaxy hosting the black hole is surrounded by hot gas with temperatures of millions of degrees.
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This hot gas loses energy as it glows in X-rays, which should cause it to cool until it can form large numbers of stars. However, in all other observed galaxy clusters, bursts of energy driven by such a black hole keep most of the hot gas from cooling, preventing widespread star birth.
Hot gas? Really?

This is still taught in schools today.... Going lthrough a phase

Solid, add heat, get
Liquid, keep adding heat, get
Gas, add even more heat, get
Plasma!!!!

But

I make a plasma like this, Plasma globe

When voltage is applied, a plasma is formed within the container.

I’m pretty sure that’s how scientists produce plasma in a lab????

Anywhoo, moving on... Measurement of the Electric Current in a Kpc-Scale Jet

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We present radio emission, polarization, and Faraday rotation maps of the radio jet of the galaxy 3C303.

From this data we derive the magnetoplasma and electrodynamic parameters of this 50 kpc long jet.

For a {∼2} kpc segment of this jet we obtain for the first time a direct determination of a {\it galactic}-scale electric current (∼3×10^18 A), and its direction − {\it positive} away from the AGN. Our analysis strongly supports a model where the jet energy flow is mainly electromagnetic.
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Old 19th November 2019, 03:14 PM   #2163
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Blowtorch jets from a black hole drive starbirth https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...38-4357/ab464c









Hot gas? Really?

This is still taught in schools today.... Going lthrough a phase

Solid, add heat, get
Liquid, keep adding heat, get
Gas, add even more heat, get
Plasma!!!!

But

I make a plasma like this, Plasma globe

When voltage is applied, a plasma is formed within the container.

I’m pretty sure that’s how scientists produce plasma in a lab????

Anywhoo, moving on... Measurement of the Electric Current in a Kpc-Scale Jet
Sol88, I hate to break this to you*, but none of this is particularly new, and - more pertinent for this thread - it has nothing whatsoever to do with Velikovsky’s nonsense.

I am puzzled by one thing though ... why do you consider this worthy of being posted here? I mean, it’s far from the first time it’s been pointed out to you that a) astrophysicists have had this sort of thing in their textbooks for decades, and b) it has nothing to do with giant, inter-galactic Birkeland currents powering stars.


* no, not really
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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - his "gas" insanity about mainstream astronomy.
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Old 19th November 2019, 04:06 PM   #2165
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Thumbs down Yet more insanity from Sol88 - a "plasma globe" is not an electric universe theory

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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - a "plasma globe" is not an electric universe theory.
Usual abysmal ignorance from Sol88. Scientists produce plasma in various ways in the lab. Heat a gas with electric discharges. Heat a gas in a heater. Heat a gas with radio waves. Heat a gas with lasers.

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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - citing mainstream astronomy.

11 November 2019: What is the Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88 (so far deafening silence from Sol88!)

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Anywhoo, moving on... Measurement of the Electric Current in a Kpc-Scale Jet
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We present radio emission, polarization, and Faraday rotation maps of the radio jet of the galaxy 3C303.

From this data we derive the magnetoplasma and electrodynamic parameters of this 50 kpc long jet.
Uh-huh. And in the EU woo, which way should these jets be going? Assuming the galaxies are all forming along these impossible Gpc currents? In one side, and out the other, I would have thought. Not heading out from the central BH in opposite directions, perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy. As observed.
Seems like another spam and run post to me.
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Old 19th November 2019, 06:16 PM   #2168
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Uh-huh. And in the EU woo, which way should these jets be going? ....
Lets ask the expert !
20 November 2019: In the EU universe, what directions do galactic jets go, Sol88?

Not what you imagine the EU answer to be but what actual EU sources say the official EU answer is. The answer must be the officially documented scientific model of galactic jets showing where they start, the directions that they go and the flow of plasma along them as created by the EU mechanism.

The "official" EU delusion that I know about is stealing Peratt's model of a pair of Birkeland currents forming galaxies.
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If that's what you think, then the EU is toast already. Comets cannot be "rocks". While comet masses are hard to constrain, they are not so extremely uncertain as to confuse "ice" and "rock". Comet densities are constrained to the range of about 0.3 to 1.5 gm/cm3 in numerous different ways, from dynamic orbit modeling to direct observation. Compare this to the density of water ice, 1.0 gm/cm3, and light "rocks" which range from 2-3 gm/cm3 (coal is the lightest "rock" at 1.1-1.4 gm/cm3; do you propose that comets are made of coal?). The average density of Earth is about 5.5 gm/cm3 due to the presence of heavier elements like iron (7.9 gm/cm3). Nothing with a density as low as 1.5 gm/cm3 can be considered a "rock" in any reasonable sense of the word. Comets are already known not to be rocks. For comet density references, see for instance Sosa & Fernandez, 2009; Richardson, et al., 2007; Weissman & Lowry, 2006.


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More likely, the values are comparable to the one generally applied to static or sliding friction of dry rock (see Byerlee law, Jaeger et al., 2007). Given that the 67P high friction coefficients are comparable, or even exceed, those found on Earth dry landslides (Legros, 2002), this implies a mechanically rocky-type behaviour for the cometary material.
The rocky-like behavior of cometary landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
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The rocky-like behavior of cometary landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Rocky-like, young man, does not mean “made of rocks”. Ice is one substance that can behave in a very rocky-like manner.
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The rocky-like behavior of cometary landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Rocky landslides contrast with muddy landslides. Which behavior would you expect from ice at low temperatures? Rocky or muddy? Obviously rocky, not muddy, since there's no liquid involved.
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Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity is yet again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma (updated 13 Mar 2020).

Sol88 persists in his insanity of lies about posts and posters. If that's what you think, then the EU is toast already. Comets cannot be "rocks". is a post by Tim Thompson on 22nd June 2009. Then we had over 70 years of measured comet densities that showed how bad the EU comets are rocks, etc. delusion was. Tim Thompson cited reference to presumably that data. Now we have the data from 67P which includes a local measurement of the comet mass + a map of 67P = Mean density 0.533 ± 0.006 g/cm3 Note the error limits!
A rational, truthful reply to a quote about the scientific calculation of comet density would be the scientific analysis showing that the density calculations are wrong. But Sol88 clings desperately to his delusions despite knowing this measured fact about comets for 11 years !

Insane lie and insane insult that astronomers have written that comets are his demented dogma of actual rock.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn and all astronomers by Sol88 linking them with Sol88's demented dogma, etc.

Sol88 emphasizes his insanity by citing The rocky-like behavior of cometary landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko which is about 67P - a comet made of ices (at least 17%) and dust.
This is not his demented dogma of actual rock blasted from rocky planets such as the Earth, including recent times, by imaginary lightning between planets as they whiz around the Solar System however his deranged cult wants them to. Then Sol88 and his cult go utterly insane with jets = electric discharges, electrical discharge machining of comet surfaces, a massive solar electric field causing what they imagine, etc. ! Sol88 has spent years lying about his demented dogma - he denies their imaginary solar electric field and rants about mainstream electric fields, e.g. in the interaction of the solar wind with comet coma and with comet surfaces when there is no coma to shield them.

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Rocky-like, young man, does not mean “made of rocks”. Ice is one substance that can behave in a very rocky-like manner.
Don't expect too much comprehensive reading from Sol88, it is mainly buzz words that interests him.
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Of course, the whole electric comet nonsense is built upon scientific illiteracy. According to the idiots-in-chief, the Sun has a radial electric field. Which would do things to the solar wind that we do not see. Additionally, electric fields will be perpendicular to magnetic fields. And we know that the Sun has a radial magnetic field (IMF). So, how is this possible? Hint: it isn't. This is what happens when Velikovskians try to do science.
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Wow! discovering a completely new mechanism, even!

Never been done before!

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With the aid of the "Piz Daint" supercomputer at the Swiss National Supercomputing Centre (CSCS) in Lugano, these scientists have now simulated the development of the protoplanetary disk both under the influence of gravity and in the presence of a magnetic field, thereby discovering a completely new mechanism that could explain previously unexplained observations.
https://phys.org/news/2020-04-simult...planetary.html

Now just add that the dust is charged (Dusty plasma) and there are electric currents and electric fields as WELL!

Then there maybe progress...
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Wow! discovering a completely new mechanism, even!

Never been done before!

https://phys.org/news/2020-04-simult...planetary.html

Now just add that the dust is charged (Dusty plasma) and there are electric currents and electric fields as WELL!

Then there maybe progress...
Nope, you are making ***** up, as usual. And your cult has planets popping out of stars like wet mogwai. Fail.
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Then there maybe progress...
A lying and irrelevant post about the fact that science always progresses!
Simultaneous simulation of gravitation and magnetism of a protoplanetary disk describes the mainstream Global Simulations of Self-gravitating Magnetized Protoplanetary Disks paper.

An ignorant "dusty plasma" delusion. The proto-planetary disk starts with no planets, asteroids, comets and just a tiny amount of interstellar dust! A purpose of the paper is to explore how solar system dust, etc. forms, specifically how angular momentum is lost during the formation.

Sol88 has been told many times over a period of 11 years about the properties of plasma. A fundamental property of plasma is quasi-neutrality which is that the charges of electrons, ions, and dust particles will shield each other at a the scale of the Debye length. For the interplanetary medium that is a few meters .

Sol88 has been ranting for years about MHD being wrong but now he cites a article about a paper using MHD! The paper abstract states their use of ideal MHD is "an admittedly poor approximation in protoplanetary disks".

And as jonesdave116 states, his cult has no protoplanetary disks. Or even dusty plasma! Just demented dogma and delusions about Birkeland currents and plasma pinches doing whatever magic their ignorant minds make up.
An example of this demented dogma about the current Solar System is We get actual insanity about DL's from the cult prophets. Wal Thornhill

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Nope, you are making ***** up, as usual. And your cult has planets popping out of stars like wet mogwai. Fail.
Seems you are not happy with NEW MECHANISM!



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As in the electric comet thread, Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity about the electric universe is.
See The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. And Most of the recent insanity from Sol88

This post: Blatant lies about posts and posters.
jonesdave116 wrote Nope, you are making ***** up, as usual. And your cult has planets popping out of stars like wet mogwai. Fail.
Sol88 is lying here by citing yet another of maybe hundreds of irrelevant, mainstream papers.
Sol88's cult has the actual insanity of "planets popping out of stars"!
Sol88 lying and his cult being deluded is not the subject of whet Sol88 cited Simultaneous simulation of gravitation and magnetism of a protoplanetary disk and that article is not what jonesdave116 wrote about.
Sol88 has written another of the thousands of lies that document him making himself into a pathological liar. See A rant about ice in comets making himself into an pathological liar where he lies about ice"on comets when he has cited papers about ice on comets hundreds of times.

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Wow! discovering a completely new mechanism, even!

Never been done before!

https://phys.org/news/2020-04-simult...planetary.html
Did you really think that magnetism and plasma is unknown to science? This is a new mechanism that explains the collapse of protoplanetary disks into planets. This is not how EU explains the formation the formation of planets, so just how is this supposed to be good news to you?

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Now just add that the dust is charged (Dusty plasma) and there are electric currents and electric fields as WELL!
Let me quote a passage from the article (which is very interesting. Thanks for bringing it to my attention):

The researchers believe that, through their work, they have discovered a completely new friction mechanism, generated by the interaction of magnetic field and GI, which significantly erodes the angular momentum of the disk. "Thanks to the powerful engine of spiral density waves, our new friction mechanism appears even more efficient in dense protoplanetary disk regions in which there are fewer charged particles to sustain the magnetic field," Deng says. "This is different from any other previously proposed mechanisms, which could not sustain the magnetic field in such regions. "
Isn't it your claim that there is lots and lots of charged particles in the - according to your theory non-existent - protoplanetary disk?
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Interesting! Have to read this paper, but it looks a bit like the magnetic friction that was studied at Utrecht University, for the momentum transport in accretion disks.

Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with the electric universe, because that has a completely different way of creating planets (as also steenkh and JD said).

mmm difficulties trying to get it through scihub :-(
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Seems you are not happy with NEW MECHANISM!





Good on ya!
It isn't new. Why do you think Philae was measuring the intrinsic magnetic field of 67P?

The non-magnetic nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov‐Gerasimenko
Auster, H-U. et al. (2015)
https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstr...on_2703201.pdf

Implications of Philae Magnetometry Measurements at Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko for the Nebular Field of the Outer Solar System
Biersteker, J. B. et al (2019)
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...r_2019_ApJ.pdf
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Interesting! Have to read this paper, but it looks a bit like the magnetic friction that was studied at Utrecht University, for the momentum transport in accretion disks.

Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with the electric universe, because that has a completely different way of creating planets (as also steenkh and JD said).

mmm difficulties trying to get it through scihub :-(
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2001.08693.pdf

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I had to update sci-hub in my bookmarks not long ago. It seems to now work with the .tw domain.
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Old 9th April 2020, 04:50 AM   #2184
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I make a plasma like this, Plasma globe

When voltage is applied, a plasma is formed within the container.
Finally, you have found a discharge, now please explain to us exactly how a plasma globe works.

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Anywhoo, moving on...
And there we go again, moving quickly off-topic, to make the discussion more convoluted.
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Yup, you have a problem Houston Sol88!



The rocky-like behavior of cometary landslides on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Fixed that for you, Sol88
You may want to look up in a dictionary what it means when the suffix "like" is added to a word.
By the way, a suffix is a word that is added at the end of another word.
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Arrrrgggghh! Are you Michael Mozina in disguise?
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Ahhh, Scott's fusion in the chromosphere! Lol. The silly old bugger is trying to fry us all with gamma!
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Did you really think that magnetism and plasma is unknown to science? This is a new mechanism that explains the collapse of protoplanetary disks into planets. This is not how EU explains the formation the formation of planets, so just how is this supposed to be good news to you?


Let me quote a passage from the article (which is very interesting. Thanks for bringing it to my attention):

The researchers believe that, through their work, they have discovered a completely new friction mechanism, generated by the interaction of magnetic field and GI, which significantly erodes the angular momentum of the disk. "Thanks to the powerful engine of spiral density waves, our new friction mechanism appears even more efficient in dense protoplanetary disk regions in which there are fewer charged particles to sustain the magnetic field," Deng says. "This is different from any other previously proposed mechanisms, which could not sustain the magnetic field in such regions. "
Isn't it your claim that there is lots and lots of charged particles in the - according to your theory non-existent - protoplanetary disk?
Friction??

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New images reveal fine threads of million-degree plasma woven throughout the Sun's atmosphere

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The exact physical mechanism that is creating these pervasive hot strands remains unclear, so scientific debate will now focus on why they are formed, and how their presence helps us understand the eruption of solar flares and solar storms that could affect life on Earth.
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And.....?
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Friction??

Don't even try to understand it. Science is not your strong point. Stick to mythology-based woo.
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Friction??


Yes, that is what is quoted from the article. Is that a problem?
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They are, obviously, giant lightning bolts, left over from when Venus was within kissing distance of the Earth and one such bolt ripped out the Grand Canyon. About 20,000 years ago, if memory serves.

What High Priest (or is it Godhead? I can never remember) Thornhill doesn’t say is how these left-over lightning bolts are connected to the EDM jets on comets. You know, the ones that fried the electronics on Rosetta, while it was still a million km away, causing the mission to end in total failure.
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Ahhh, Scott's fusion in the chromosphere! Lol. The silly old bugger is trying to fry us all with gamma!
I think you are overlooking the fact that the Sun is invisible above the Earth’s atmosphere, and that those gammas are converted to light in the ionosphere. Recently Solon, independently of Godhead Thornhill, proved this. Right here in this very forum!
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As in the electric comet thread, Sol88 shows how deep his decades of insanity about the electric universe is. See The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.
Sol88's insanity of many years of citing irrelevant mainstream science to derail from his cult's demented dogma.

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Yes, that is what is quoted from the article. Is that a problem?
actuality for the intellectually challenged, no, not really.
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Of course, the whole electric comet nonsense is built upon scientific illiteracy. According to the idiots-in-chief, the Sun has a radial electric field. Which would do things to the solar wind that we do not see. Additionally, electric fields will be perpendicular to magnetic fields. And we know that the Sun has a radial magnetic field (IMF). So, how is this possible? Hint: it isn't. This is what happens when Velikovskians try to do science.
Poor soul, jonesdave116 your still here along with tusenfem...
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"People have been studying the solar wind since its discovery in 1959, but there are many important properties of this plasma which are still not well understood," says Stas Boldyrev, professor of physics and lead author of the study.
Still not well understood after nearly 89 years?

Still people ARE trying to understand it form a new a comeplty new view point or pardigm.

PLASMA, ELECTRIC FIELDS, ELECTRIC CURRENTS.

Gravity only sheeple acknowledge magnetic fields and there ability to get all tangled up, snap and reconnect! that's pretty solid science!

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Solar plasma is a molten mix of negatively charged electrons and positively charged ions. Because of this charge, solar plasma is influenced by magnetic fields that extend into space, generated underneath the solar surface. As the hot plasma escapes from the sun's outermost atmosphere, its corona, it flows through space as solar wind. The electrons in the plasma are much lighter particles than the ions, so they move about 40 times faster.

With more negatively charged electrons streaming away, the sun takes on a positive charge. This makes it harder for the electrons to escape the sun's pull. Some electrons have a lot of energy and keep traveling for infinite distances. Those with less energy can't escape the sun's positive charge and are attracted back to the sun. As they do, some of those electrons can be knocked off their tracks ever-so-slightly by collisions with surrounding plasma.
New research helps explain why the solar wind is hotter than expected


Ummmmm... that would set up an electric field.
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I must admit, i had assumed the banging on we hear on this forum from the big banger acolytes and that the solar wind is "quasi neutral" some how shut down the whole ELECRIC UNIVERSE shebang right there.

Seems mainstream have some ways to go before their understanding of
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is somewhat more complicated than the gas approximation and it's absolute MISUSE in articles referencing million degree "gas".

Such as the Sun!

What keeps the sun shining again, compression!

Gas laws in a PLASMA Sun.

I don't know, you mob!
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I must admit, i had assumed the banging on we hear on this forum from the big banger acolytes and that the solar wind is "quasi neutral" some how shut down the whole ELECRIC UNIVERSE shebang right there.

Seems mainstream have some ways to go before their understanding of is somewhat more complicated than the gas approximation and it's absolute MISUSE in articles referencing million degree "gas".

Such as the Sun!

What keeps the sun shining again, compression!

Gas laws in a PLASMA Sun.

I don't know, you mob!
And another EU loon not bothering to read the paper, which says nothing like what is in the press release. Which was likely put together by a biologist! One of the things stressed in the paper is the maintenance of quasi-neutrality. And, in my limited experience, what the author is suggesting re trapped and returning electrons is no different than a figure I have seen in a book I possess by Nicole Meyer-Vernet, on the solar wind. And that is from 2007. It would take an expert to go through the paper (which strangely appears in PNAS; usually biology and Earth sciences) and figure out what it is that they are suggesting that is different from what has already been proposed. That obviously excludes anybody from the EU cult, as they possess nobody with a scooby about plasma physics.
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