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Old 29th March 2020, 12:13 AM   #841
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
I don't suppose you have any pineapple juice?

https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/f...starter-381479


You can also make it without P juice.
Fascinating! But, laborious. Still, I bookmarked the page; thanks for that.

I purchased 2 six packs of canned pineapple juice on my last shopping trip, as I heard it was very good for cough/congestion. Have been saving it just in case, which takes restraint as it's so delicious.
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Old 29th March 2020, 03:39 AM   #842
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
As you can see from the image below, they had TP! Not the most popular brands and varieties, but quite a bit of it. Same with paper towels. I bought some TP we don't even need. Shame on me.
The store was not very busy, most shelves had normal stock. Pasta and flour were pretty lean. But canned stuff was fine; I got four cans of Nalley's Chili. Deli offerings were sparser than usual and of course the self-serve soup and antipasto bars were closed.
Howdy neighbor! Trying QFC's pick-up* on Monday, never done that before, let alone delivery.

I ventured into the nearest Safeway today and was able to nab a 4-pack of store brand cheap TP. They have a limit of one per customer, but I have a pair of Charmin rolls left from the last purchase (hell if I can remember when), so these are just in case there is an extension of the stay-at-home (there probably will be).

Pasta is scarce, same as everywhere, but I'm a bachelor and I like to cook, so I have some on hand already. Sauce as well. Eggs were also completely cleaned out, and fruit cocktail was also picked clean, except for the heavy syrup cans (blech).


*Tried to use the Safeway service but it tells me I have an account already - I click the "forgot my password" link, the site thinks for two second, and refreshes the same screen. I'll just drive the two miles to QFC.
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Old 29th March 2020, 08:49 AM   #843
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At this rate I will never get rich.
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Old 29th March 2020, 09:17 AM   #844
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People who are having real trouble finding toilet paper and need an alternative, at Lowes you can buy 4-pound (and larger) packages of cotton cloth rags. Look for "ProLine 4-Pack Cotton Cloth" for $13 (but it's not a pack of four cloths, it's four pounds, about 50 pieces of knit cotton t-shirt fabric that can be cut into smaller pieces for use). This link might work. They're reasonably square-ish pieces about a square foot in size, not long thin strips or anything annoying like that.

Other stores should have similar products, and at least around here, Lowes is well stocked with them. You can make sure they're in stock via the store's web site.

You can't flush them, of course. If necessary you can wash them and re-use them like cloth diapers. Cut to size, they'd probably make decent masks. In the worst case scenario, you can tie several together to make a crude loin cloth or bikini top for your post-apocalyptic fashion needs.
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Old 29th March 2020, 09:53 AM   #845
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
If necessary you can wash them and re-use them like cloth diapers. Cut to size, they'd probably make decent masks.

Somehow, even if I wash and sanitize them, I don't think I could fashion a mask out of something I just wiped up a number 2 with.

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Old 29th March 2020, 09:58 AM   #846
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Somehow, even if I wash and sanitize them, I don't think I could fashion a mask out of something I just did number 2 in.

Correct. You should use fresh ones out of the package for mask making.

For post-holocaust fashion, all options are open.
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Old 29th March 2020, 10:00 AM   #847
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What's all this hooten & holleren about wiping with something? Western decadence I calls it.

You know that Hindus and Muslims don't eat with their left hands. You also know why.
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Old 29th March 2020, 10:10 AM   #848
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You know that Hindus and Muslims don't eat with their left hands. You also know why.

Honestly, I've never understood that. Not that some people wouldn't wipe at all. That makes sense under some circumstances. Few animals wipe, for one thing.

But what good does any amount of wiping with one's left hand do? The best outcome I can see for that is, now both your butt and your hand are smeared with poop, and your hand is going to be a lot closer to your nose most of the time. If you had water available you could wipe, rinse, repeat; that would work, if you're careful not to contaminate the water source. Is that what's really going on with the "use their left hand" thing? Nobody ever describes the details.
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Old 29th March 2020, 10:22 AM   #849
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Two weeks ago the scarce items were the classic "stock up on for the hurricane" non-perishables: pasta, rice, beans, water, canned goods. Now I'm seeing the scarce items lean more to frozen foods especially entrees, pizza, and meals.


I shopped for 3 households yesterday and Iíll second the frozen food shortage. Everything else was there except sanitizers.
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Honestly, I've never understood that. Not that some people wouldn't wipe at all. That makes sense under some circumstances. Few animals wipe, for one thing.

But what good does any amount of wiping with one's left hand do? The best outcome I can see for that is, now both your butt and your hand are smeared with poop, and your hand is going to be a lot closer to your nose most of the time. If you had water available you could wipe, rinse, repeat; that would work, if you're careful not to contaminate the water source. Is that what's really going on with the "use their left hand" thing? Nobody ever describes the details.
You'll always find a medium size long spouted jug right next to the toilet.
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Old 29th March 2020, 10:43 AM   #851
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Honestly, I've never understood that. Not that some people wouldn't wipe at all. That makes sense under some circumstances. Few animals wipe, for one thing.

But what good does any amount of wiping with one's left hand do? The best outcome I can see for that is, now both your butt and your hand are smeared with poop, and your hand is going to be a lot closer to your nose most of the time. If you had water available you could wipe, rinse, repeat; that would work, if you're careful not to contaminate the water source. Is that what's really going on with the "use their left hand" thing? Nobody ever describes the details.
'll give it a try.

Washing hand after #2 is not polluting water, oh my goodnesh no. Holy Ganges can not be plutted.

And good Hindu bath up to waist twice times in day while praying pujah. That is getting aft part very clean I am sure.

Too bad about Muslim.

Also Chlistian if you say so.

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Old 29th March 2020, 11:19 AM   #852
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That's entirely rational behaviour and it's not selfish, but most people doing that is enough to throw the entire system into a tailspin. That's what's happened. It's a distribution problem. Here, supermarkets are busy hiring staff as fast as they can to speed up the delivery chain. Suddenly-redundant restaurant managers are jumping at it.

The "just in time" system is very finely tuned indeed. This is actually no worse a run on stock than Christmas, but the difference is that they know Christmas is going to happen and they ramp up for it.

This (only worse) was always scheduled to happen on Brexit, unless we stayed inside the single market which Boris keeps saying won't happen. That's why I already has a stash of stuff laid by. I admit that a couple of times over the past year I have looked at the stash and thought, well if we do make it out of the EU without me needing to use this lot, and I start to use stuff and reduce the hoard, I need to take a while to think about what I should just leave there in case there's a pandemic. Who knew?

While Brexit would have screwed the supply chain we have the added issue that the food consumption that comes through restaurants, school meals, works canteens etc is practically eliminated increasing the demand on the consumer side operators too.
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Old 29th March 2020, 11:42 AM   #853
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People who are having real trouble finding toilet paper and need an alternative, at Lowes you can buy 4-pound (and larger) packages of cotton cloth rags. Look for "ProLine 4-Pack Cotton Cloth" for $13 (but it's not a pack of four cloths, it's four pounds, about 50 pieces of knit cotton t-shirt fabric that can be cut into smaller pieces for use). This link might work. They're reasonably square-ish pieces about a square foot in size, not long thin strips or anything annoying like that.

Other stores should have similar products, and at least around here, Lowes is well stocked with them. You can make sure they're in stock via the store's web site.

You can't flush them, of course. If necessary you can wash them and re-use them like cloth diapers. Cut to size, they'd probably make decent masks. In the worst case scenario, you can tie several together to make a crude loin cloth or bikini top for your post-apocalyptic fashion needs.
carwash sponges would have potential to
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carwash sponges would have potential to

I don't think they'd make as good a loincloth, though.
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Old 29th March 2020, 11:52 AM   #855
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Had to go out today, and noted a couple of things. Of course toilet paper and just about every other paper product was gone from everywhere. Surprisingly, so, almost, was dishwasher detergent. What the? What cataclysm are people stocking up for? Many other staples gone. Plenty of plenty else, though. Lots of bread and meat and veggies. Beans, rice, enough. Cheese, yogurt, enough.

ATM was empty, but I'm hoping that was just because it's a Sunday. My brother in law is convinced there's going to be big big financial meltdown and credit cards will stop being honored after everyone maxes them out, and advocates a stash of cash. But I suspect that if you have cash in the bank, it's probably OK there at least for a while. I do suspect that, along with a post-plague surge in stocks for exterminators and the like, there will be a collapse in the market for gold and silver and such.
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Marks and Spencer food-hall near me is fully stocked and resplendent with toilet paper, eggs, pastas and bread. I think it's been given a wide berth by the great unwashed beacause it's 20-30% dearer than Asda (Walmart).
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Last I looked the Organic Co-op near is also had flour. But it seems nobody has yeast.
Make your own, don't shower for a week or two and start scraping...


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Isn't Marmite made of yeast? Probably not active, I guess.
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Isn't Marmite made of yeast? Probably not active, I guess.

Yes! I forgot about that! Beer is made with yeast and it will do in a pinch. This is for sourdough, but if you don't want it sour it will probably take less time.

http://thebeeroness.com/2016/11/01/s...-bread-recipe/


There's always chicha. (Don't chew your cud).

https://www.dogfish.com/brewery/beer/chicha
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Old 29th March 2020, 01:30 PM   #860
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Yesterday at a suburban grocery store, I was amused that almost all of the "natural" cleaning products were still on the shelves, while the Lysol, bleach and chemical stuff was all gone.
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But even most of the micro brews get filtered today. But there is hope. Look for the ones with sediment in the bottles, same for wine. And fruit with the frosty/powdery look. Nectarines, plu,s. grapes. Or your last piece of bread. Or my refrigerator. No. not one of the science experiments growing in the corners, two mason jars of dry yeast. One left from my own escapade into bread making, one from a neighbor that moved in to a camper.
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Last I looked, there were still plenty of apples, so I imagine you could mash up some apples, make cider and when it ferments use the mother from that.
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Armed neighbors block driveway with tree to force person to quarantine.

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(CNN) - A Maine man said armed neighbors descended on his home and chopped down a tree to block his road and prevent him from leaving because they believed he may have coronavirus.

The Vinalhaven resident said he went outside Friday to check why his cable service wasn't working and found a tree blocking the end of his road, according to the Knox County Sheriff's Office.

"While investigating the downed tree, a neighbor started yelling at him and a group of people showed up and began to gather around. Believing the group may be there to harm him, (he) fled to his residence and told his roommates what he had found," the sheriff's office said/
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Honestly, I've never understood that. Not that some people wouldn't wipe at all. That makes sense under some circumstances. Few animals wipe, for one thing.

But what good does any amount of wiping with one's left hand do? The best outcome I can see for that is, now both your butt and your hand are smeared with poop, and your hand is going to be a lot closer to your nose most of the time. If you had water available you could wipe, rinse, repeat; that would work, if you're careful not to contaminate the water source. Is that what's really going on with the "use their left hand" thing? Nobody ever describes the details.
Like others said - a bucket is usually nearby, with a ladle or a little cup, or a little pitcher with a spout.

1: Get a bit of water on left hand.

2: Use that water to rinse left hand.

3: Repeat until clean

4: Use bucket to wash stuff down the drain

5: Wash hands.

The left hand thing is mostly just tradition these days, but it is a really ingrained tradition. For a lot of people, the idea of eating food with the same hand you use to wipe is just disgusting, no matter now well one washes hands after the toilet. Disgust is not always very logical. Neither is tradition.
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Like others said - a bucket is usually nearby, with a ladle or a little cup, or a little pitcher with a spout.

1: Get a bit of water on left hand.

2: Use that water to rinse left hand.

3: Repeat until clean

4: Use bucket to wash stuff down the drain

5: Wash hands.

The left hand thing is mostly just tradition these days, but it is a really ingrained tradition. For a lot of people, the idea of eating food with the same hand you use to wipe is just disgusting, no matter now well one washes hands after the toilet. Disgust is not always very logical. Neither is tradition.

Thanks to everyone who answered my question.
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The left hand thing is mostly just tradition these days, but it is a really ingrained tradition. For a lot of people, the idea of eating food with the same hand you use to wipe is just disgusting, no matter now well one washes hands after the toilet. Disgust is not always very logical. Neither is tradition.
Seems like a rather sinister tradition.
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Seems like a rather sinister tradition.
Only for Italian muslims perhaps?
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Seems like a rather sinister tradition.
I didn't learn until recently that I've been getting heraldry backwards all this time. Dexter and sinister are from the point of view of the person holding the shield...so they're the reverse of right and left from the point of view of someone facing the shield as it's hung up on a wall, for example. The More You Know! *horse noises, hawk screech, tinkly music*
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I have to go buy a WiFi booster tomorrow morning, because the signal to my desktop in my bedroom is so weak that the bandwidth is attenuated by about 98-99%. Office Depot has a cheap but well reviewed model in stock, so I'm going there, and will probably use curbside pickup.

I could justify this trip as necessary, if I have to, as I need reliable and fast Internet access to be able to work from home. (I could work around the issue, but I would take a big productivity hit from having to sneakernet files to and from my laptop.) However, there's a Kroger near Office Depot, so I could stop there, as we could use a few things. I'm leaning toward going to Meijer, though, to pick up the stuff I missed out on last time due to my bank problems. I'll resist the temptation to stop at both; there's no need to take unnecessary additional risks. I'll check their ads for sales before I leave, and decide then.
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Old 29th March 2020, 08:06 PM   #871
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
Only for Italian muslims perhaps?
But in Roman auspices the augurs faced south, so the joke doesn't work. Qui addit scientiam, addit et laborem! *novae coeunt infaustae strigis accipiter equus voces*
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Old 29th March 2020, 09:28 PM   #872
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
Like others said - a bucket is usually nearby, with a ladle or a little cup, or a little pitcher with a spout.



1: Get a bit of water on left hand.



2: Use that water to rinse left hand.



3: Repeat until clean



4: Use bucket to wash stuff down the drain



5: Wash hands.



The left hand thing is mostly just tradition these days, but it is a really ingrained tradition. For a lot of people, the idea of eating food with the same hand you use to wipe is just disgusting, no matter now well one washes hands after the toilet. Disgust is not always very logical. Neither is tradition.
There was an Indian performer at some place like the Albert Hall. She kept thinking about how disgusting it was that the hall was full of people who wipe but don't wash.
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Old 29th March 2020, 10:26 PM   #873
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
There was an Indian performer at some place like the Albert Hall. She kept thinking about how disgusting it was that the hall was full of people who wipe but don't wash.
I have seen heaps of people use the public toilets and then fail to wash their hands afterwards. And many others fail to use soap to do so.
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Old 30th March 2020, 02:28 AM   #874
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Would you (and everyone else) recommend getting a bread-making machine, or can you manage just as well with a set of loaf tins and the oven?
I swear by ours, a Morphy Richards Fastbake which I got as 'reconditioned ' on eBay (it was brand new & 2/3 price) just over a year ago. My wife has decided she's gluten intolerant with store bought bread but fine with home made (okaayy...) and since she couldn't be bothered to knead the bread we ended up with a lot of "no-knead" recipes which tend to be a bit crumbly and cakey as the gluten doesn't get stretched out.

Bread machine bread isn't quite as good as well made hand made bread, but it's so much better than no-knead recipies and it's really, really easy. We put the pan on the digital scales to measure the ingredients straight into it, takes all of two minutes and precisely one container to wash up (plus one tablespoon and one teaspoon measure) no mixing bowl, seperate baking tin or tray or worksurface to get dirty, and you can set it to run overnight so you can wake up to fresh bread for breakfast.

Two observations-: One: initially at least follow the recipes included exactly, the salt and yeast ratios are finely balanced to get the right rise, it's not uncommon when people say their bread machine is rubbish to find that they've decided to cut the salt down without realising it's there for a reason, similarly the order that ingredients go in is important (particularly, again the salt and yeast) particularly if using the timer. And the total volume as you can't 'give it another 5 minutes'. That doesn't mean you can't experiment, we do some nice flavoured breads for breakfast toast, just see how it should be done first.

Two: With ours the mixing paddle gets stuck on the shaft (I think it's because I forgot to put it on until after I'd added flour & water once), a cheap little windscreen wiper/battery terminal puller tool designed for use on a car works perfectly.
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Old 30th March 2020, 02:31 AM   #875
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I have always relied on online delivery of groceries because I work long hours and don't drive. I don't live within easy walking distance of any large supermarket - the nearest are on the outskirts of town and more than an hour to walk each way. Otherwise its the tiny local-co-op and other small local shops that might be open. I haven't ventured into the town centre since this started - the narrow pavements and tiny shops are usually crowded and I can't imagine social distancing working well, or there being much left on the shelves.

Before the online delivery sites crashed, I had two Ocado orders placed, for last weekend and this weekend. I have not been able to get another delivery slot anywhere. I just logged onto Ocado and found a virtual queue of over 21,000 waiting to access the site. I don't store a lot of food the house as I rarely get time to cook during term time and usually eat at least two meals a day at work.

When I run out of food my only options are to brave the tiny town centre, take a very long walk to a supermarket on the outskirts of town, or use public transport (if it's still running). I don't mind a long walk and can use the exercise, but there is obviously a limit to how much I can carry back. I'm also not sure if walking to somewhere much further away from the nearest food place is regarded as acceptable under lockdown rules, although I don't really see how you distinguish it from exercise.

Up to now I had not seriously regretted living a car-free lifestyle.
Where are you? If you're near me I'll try to help (okay I know the odds aren't great) if not someone else might be.
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Makes me happy to look at the 12 cases of home-brewed beer, and 2 cases of mead. Also have 4 cases of beer fermenting and another 2 cases of mead being bottled tomorrow, but I only get to keep one.

Looks like I have a useful skill in the post apocalypse world.
Likewise, unfortunately my Autumn vintages are running low already (plenty of blackberries but the farmers cut back all the hedgerows just as the bullaces and sloes were coming into fruit. But I do have half a 25ltr barrel of scrumpy/apple wine left.
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Old 30th March 2020, 02:57 AM   #877
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I got into it with my mother this morning about the newspaper. We can quarantine the mail for several days after it arrives, but of course she wants to read the paper right away. I told her she needs to stop taking it, and that she can read all the news on the local papers' websites with my old tablet. (In fact, one of our two local papers is now exclusively online.) However, she's extremely techno-illiterate, even by the standards of her age cohort. (She's never used a personal computer in her life, and she's doing well to make and answer calls on her flip phone.) So she refused, as I knew she would, using the ridiculous excuse that she's already paid for the paper.

If we had some Lysol spray we could use it the paper before it comes in the house, but we don't. I have plenty of Lysol wipes, but those won't work, of course. My brother said he's started using a heat gun on it, but I question how effective that is.
If she has to have a newspaper, revive the Victorian habit of running a hot iron over it first (which used to be done to make it neat for the master of the house and set the ink so he didn't get smudges on his fingers and cuffs.)
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I did too. I can't be bothered to try the url again but ISTR there was a way to adjust the frequency of use and/or the number of sheets used.

YMMV.
I couldn't find the option for 'use both sides'?
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I couldn't find the option for 'use both sides'?

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Mirabile dictu, according to Mrs Don, stock is trickling back into the local Lidl.

She was able to pick up some rice, various fruit and salad items and even a couple of large bars or Ritter Sport.

I plan to brave Costco on Wednesday. It'll be the first time I've left the house other than to go for a run in nearly 2 weeks.
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