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Old 18th June 2018, 02:07 AM   #1041
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
logger's (and assorted other desperate paleos') crying need for "The Next Investigation" to be the one the brings 'em all down and has Hillary frog-marched off to prison.

Coming up next is the laughable Nunes/Grassley show. It'll have all the credibility (i.e. none) that the various kangaroo committees had on their Benghazi research. Nunes, of course, is so busy running up the street to the White House to share findings with Donnie Johnny, that he has no time to actually read evidence that he holds pressers to discuss. The right wing newsfeeds are all abuzz over this round, just as there were over "The Horowitz Report That Will Bring Down the Deep State, Get Hillary Convicted, Cure Halitosis and Reduce the Price of Gas at the Pumps.

If Republicans have show us anything over the past four administrations, there is no such thing as an end to an investigation unless they get their pre-ordained fantasy conclusions. If you look at most of the comments on what they expected out of the Horowitz report, they were still shouting "Benghazi!" The next one will be the same. These clowns' grandchildren will still be investigating the non-crimes of a former Secretary of State, but if you ask them if they think it's a good idea to unseal some of the Top Secret documents surrounding Ollie North's activities and how much/what Reagan knew or was involved? Their response? "Hey, is that Elvis over there?"
Actually, the next one should be Horowitz's report into the leaks from the NY FBI office to Giulliani and Nunes (and perhaps others), which were what caused Comey to release info about the Clinton investigation, which is what cost her the election. Just last week Nunes admitted on Fox News that "whistleblowers" had leaked that information to him in "late September". And, since the FBI was only in possession of the information they leaked on the 26th of September, the idea that it was "whistleblowing" doesn't seem to hold much water. Of course, Giulliani boasted publicly about the leaks and getting information from current FBI agents before the information even became public.

I hope we get to see the text messages of the FBI agents involved...
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Old 18th June 2018, 03:58 AM   #1042
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
logger's (and assorted other desperate paleos') crying need for "The Next Investigation" to be the one the brings 'em all down and has Hillary frog-marched off to prison.
Geez you just don’t get it do you. And by the way this first part of your post is what crying looks like. Hillary is never going to be frog marched, yes some will be brought down by this. My only glee in this is what it will do at election time.
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Coming up next is the laughable Nunes/Grassley show. It'll have all the credibility (i.e. none) that the various kangaroo committees had on their Benghazi research. Nunes, of course, is so busy running up the street to the White House to share findings with Donnie Johnny, that he has no time to actually read evidence that he holds pressers to discuss. The right wing newsfeeds are all abuzz over this round, just as there were over "The Horowitz Report That Will Bring Down the Deep State, Get Hillary Convicted, Cure Halitosis and Reduce the Price of Gas at the Pumps.
Most agree that what went on here wasn’t good, as a matter of fact it was terrible, but not you. You’re pissed because we’re getting so much mileage out of it, well, actually you’re probably pissed because of what it has done to your hero Hillary, such a shame.
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If Republicans have show us anything over the past four administrations, there is no such thing as an end to an investigation unless they get their pre-ordained fantasy conclusions. If you look at most of the comments on what they expected out of the Horowitz report, they were still shouting "Benghazi!" The next one will be the same. These clowns' grandchildren will still be investigating the non-crimes of a former Secretary of State, but if you ask them if they think it's a good idea to unseal some of the Top Secret documents surrounding Ollie North's activities and how much/what Reagan knew or was involved? Their response? "Hey, is that Elvis over there?"
Actually, reality is we’ll still be winning elections.
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A timeline of some of the events around the leaks from the FBI NY office, designed to hurt Clinton's chances of election due to the "deep and visceral hatred" of those agents for Clinton

This would be the office that was called "Trumplandia".
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Old 18th June 2018, 09:07 AM   #1044
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
logger's (and assorted other desperate paleos') crying need for "The Next Investigation" to be the one the brings 'em all down and has Hillary frog-marched off to prison.

Coming up next is the laughable Nunes/Grassley show. It'll have all the credibility (i.e. none) that the various kangaroo committees had on their Benghazi research. Nunes, of course, is so busy running up the street to the White House to share findings with Donnie Johnny, that he has no time to actually read evidence that he holds pressers to discuss. The right wing newsfeeds are all abuzz over this round, just as there were over "The Horowitz Report That Will Bring Down the Deep State, Get Hillary Convicted, Cure Halitosis and Reduce the Price of Gas at the Pumps.

If Republicans have show us anything over the past four administrations, there is no such thing as an end to an investigation unless they get their pre-ordained fantasy conclusions. If you look at most of the comments on what they expected out of the Horowitz report, they were still shouting "Benghazi!" The next one will be the same. These clowns' grandchildren will still be investigating the non-crimes of a former Secretary of State, but if you ask them if they think it's a good idea to unseal some of the Top Secret documents surrounding Ollie North's activities and how much/what Reagan knew or was involved? Their response? "Hey, is that Elvis over there?"
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And in the meantime, an investigation of the NY FBI office that actually did sabotage Clinton (as opposed to just talking about it), fades into obscurity.
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Old 18th June 2018, 09:42 AM   #1045
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I think it's important to note that the only one who suffered actual harm and probably didn't deserve it so far is Hillary Clinton. There are big problems with bias in the FBI and I think it should all be rooted out; the focus on what could hurt Trump is just more bias.
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Old 18th June 2018, 10:07 AM   #1046
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I think it's important to note that the only one who suffered actual harm and probably didn't deserve it so far is Hillary Clinton. There are big problems with bias in the FBI and I think it should all be rooted out; the focus on what could hurt Trump is just more bias.
What are you asserting is being ignored to focus on attacking trump? Do you have any evidence that actually supports all of the investigations and charges of those near to him is diverting excessive resources?
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Old 18th June 2018, 10:14 AM   #1047
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
I think it's important to note that the only one who suffered actual harm and probably didn't deserve it so far is Hillary Clinton. There are big problems with bias in the FBI and I think it should all be rooted out; the focus on what could hurt Trump is just more bias.
As if the US public wasn't harmed.

The majority of voters would probably beg to differ.

As for attacking Trump, why shouldn't people attack an illegitimate POTUS?
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Old 18th June 2018, 10:57 AM   #1048
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
What are you asserting is being ignored to focus on attacking trump? Do you have any evidence that actually supports all of the investigations and charges of those near to him is diverting excessive resources?
FWIW, Politifact says that a $20m figure for the Mueller investigation as per May 23rd this year is reasonable. OTOH, each trip by Trump to Mar-A-Lago costs the taxpayer about $3m. In other words, Trump could offset more than the cost of the Mueller investigation by skipping 7 trips to Mar-A-Lago. Since he's spent approximately a third of his presidency at his various properties, it shouldn't be that much of a sacrifice for him.
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Old 18th June 2018, 12:08 PM   #1049
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Hearing going on now, the Senate questioning Wray and Horowitz.

Apparently it's OK we've know about the IG investigation of Comey and the email investigation for months, but it's confidential and we aren't allowed to know if the IG is or is not investigating the leaks to Giuliani from the NY FBI field office.

More double standard of the same thing. I hope the news media picks up on that.
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As if the US public wasn't harmed.

The majority of voters would probably beg to differ.

As for attacking Trump, why shouldn't people attack an illegitimate POTUS?


No, what I’m saying is that it’s more evidence of bias in the FBI/DOJ, not posters here.

Main point: we should insist on neutrality in those agencies.


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This hearing's fascinating.

You have Strozk and Page and Comey and McCabe looking like they fudged the Clinton investigation when in the end Comey totally screwed up, breaking department rules in order to make himself look better. There was a discussion about being careful since Clinton would likely be POTUS.

And you have the NY field office agents talking about not letting that bitch Clinton get elected, leaking information to Giuliani and Nunes. That aspect is getting a lot less attention but it's not going unnoticed.

The bottom line, which sadly the IG/Horowitz did not address is to simply look at the Clinton email server classified data and neutrally decide, was it gross negligence (legal term for illegal), or reckless/extremely careless (not illegal). That would go a long way to settle the cloud these asshats have left over the Clinton investigation.

For the other side, Mueller will get to the bottom of the case against the Trump campaign and administration.

But the IG needs to speak up, either they are investigating the NY field office or they aren't because it's a double standard by not saying anything. There's not a lot of difference there in terms of biased FBI agents illegally impacting investigations.


Senator Hirono is requesting Horowitz clarify there was no gross negligence on Clinton's part.
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This hearing's fascinating.

You have Strozk and Page and Comey and McCabe looking like they fudged the Clinton investigation when in the end Comey totally screwed up, breaking department rules in order to make himself look better. There was a discussion about being careful since Clinton would likely be POTUS.
Lol

I thought it was Russian collusion that did her in from your perspective?

Or was it sexism? I can’t remember.

Either way that she lost.
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The DOJ watchdog added that he "did not have confidence" that all of Strzok's investigative decisions as the lead agent on the Clinton email probe were free from bias.
Bias?



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Lol

I thought it was Russian collusion that did her in from your perspective?

Or was it sexism? I can’t remember.

Either way that she lost.
Many things contributed. I believe I have consistently said Comey's actions were the most damaging. That doesn't mean the other issues did not contribute. The idea it was one single thing is a bizarre view of a complex situation.

All of the things which contributed go to the conclusion Trump is an illegitimate POTUS.
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Cruz is up now. Gawd I hate listening to this guy and his melodramatic talking.
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Senator Graham had the best questions.

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Mark Meadows just got the IG t admit they were looking into the 302’s being nefariously changed.

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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...92904605831168

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Peter Strzok's lawyer says the House Judiciary Committee "denied his request for a public hearing and for the release of the full transcript."
(House Judiciary Dems have called on @RepGoodlatte and @TGowdySC to "immediately release the unclassified transcript" of the hearing)
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Lisa Page's lawyer has issued a statement saying she will not appear before the House Committees despite a subpoena, because she has been refused a rescheduling so she can prepare, and denied access to the material she would need in order to prepare
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Good. The house committees are clearly not there for anything other than show.
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Good. The house committees are clearly not there for anything other than show.
You should see the "testimony" (read: interrogation) of Agent Strozk going on right now. The Republicans have been DESPERATELY trying to link his personal opinion text messages in such a way as to make the Russian investigation seem like a witch-hunt, and have been failing SPECTACULARLY largely thanks to the highest ranking Democrat on the panel, who called out their desperation using some great language. The amount of insanity going on there is crazy, between Democrats calling out points of order, demanding to re-subpoena Steve Bannon and hold him in contempt because he refused to answer questions (Agent Strozk refused under advice of FBI and personal counsel to answer questions related to the ongoing Russia investigation, for which the Republican chairman threatened him with contempt despite a Democrat citing a Supreme Court ruling stating he was right to do so, which the chairman then refused to acknowledge), calling for motions to overturn the chair's rulings, and the aforementioned calm rebuttal of nearly every point the Republicans tried to pin on Agent Strozk by the ranking Democrat on the panel... I mean it's literally insane. Agent Strozk has barely been able to even speak, much less testify.
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The details have been worked out.

Former FBI lawyer Lisa Page will be interviewed by two congressional committees this week, after declining to appear earlier this week.
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Earlier this week, Page and her lawyer Amy Jeffress delayed the original interview, scheduled for Wednesday because Page had not been given access to documents she said she needed to review before testifying. She claimed that the joint committees have not "followed the normal process" associated with appearances of this nature.
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Republicans Thought Peter Strzok Would Be a Punching Bag. He Just Knocked Them Out.

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He was supposed to be a key in the imaginary conspiracy Trump’s congressional lackeys and media fantasists have desperately tried to write as history. He was having none of it.

Those who forget the lessons of televised congressional hearings are doomed to repeat them, which is why the morning segment of the Capitol Hill show trial of veteran FBI agent and former head of the Bureau’s Counterespionage division Peter Strzok turned into a disaster for Republicans.

Donald Trump’s congressional enablers, sycophants, and political suck-ups wanted a punching bag, but Strzok instead delivered one of the rarest of moments: the full Joseph N. Welch.
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This poor thread just doesn't get the attention it deserves with logger no longer here.

In the face of Captain Outrageous's performance in Europe over the past week, and in spite of the new indictments and the arrest of the latest honey pot, the Congressional Committee on Gee I Wish I Could Pin This on Someone Else has announced,.... Surprise! Surprise! .... that they will continue in their investigations of evil liberal influence in The Deep State.
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The FISA warrant application to surveil Carter Page has been released. Guess who has been lying.

Schiff: Surveillance warrant docs show that Nunes memo 'misrepresented and distorted these applications'

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Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Saturday that the release of documents related to the surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser show that Republicans “misrepresented and distorted these applications” in their claims of bias at the Department of Justice.

“These documents affirm that our nation faced a profound counterintelligence threat prior to the 2016 election, and the Department of Justice and FBI took appropriate steps to investigate whether any U.S. persons were acting as an agent of a foreign power,” Schiff said in a statement. “FBI and DOJ would have been negligent had they not used all the tools at their disposal, including Court-authorized FISA surveillance, to protect the country.”

The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Saturday released more than 400 pages of heavily-redacted documents on the surveillance of former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page.

The application documents state that FBI "believes Page has been the subject of targeted recruitment by the Russian government ... to undermine and influence the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election in violation of U.S. criminal law."
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The FISA warrant application to surveil Carter Page has been released. Guess who has been lying.

Schiff: Surveillance warrant docs show that Nunes memo 'misrepresented and distorted these applications'
"Newness" may be the only person in the current clown show who's as dishonest as Trump. Actually, in the case of Donnie Johnny it's quite often his pathology or obsessive-compulsive disorder. With Nunes it's cold calculated deception. He's a combination between the weasels in Who Framed Roger Rabbit (standing by and going "Heh heh, hit 'im, boss!") and a calculating immoral piece of baggage like Joe McCarthy or Roy Cohn.
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"The great thing about today’s FISA documents proving that Devin Nunes was completely full of **** is that the next time he makes something up, all the same reporters will give him the benefit of the doubt anyway."

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Caroline O. thread in which she posts evidence that Nunes lied in the infamous memo, and calls out those who supported him over it
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Chris Megerian thread examining a few parts of the FISA application in a little more detail
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If nothing else the Russia investigation and the Republican response makes it clear that even if Trump were somehow removed from office there's no reason to expect things to get better in Washington.
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Old 22nd July 2018, 09:57 AM   #1073
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
"Newness" may be the only person in the current clown show who's as dishonest as Trump. Actually, in the case of Donnie Johnny it's quite often his pathology or obsessive-compulsive disorder. With Nunes it's cold calculated deception. He's a combination between the weasels in Who Framed Roger Rabbit (standing by and going "Heh heh, hit 'im, boss!") and a calculating immoral piece of baggage like Joe McCarthy or Roy Cohn.
Nunes is a Trump groupie which explains the lying, but he's also a CT believer from long before Trump which is why he's attracted to Trump. It makes it hard to tell the difference between the false beliefs and knowing lies.
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Old 22nd July 2018, 10:07 AM   #1074
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
"Newness" may be the only person in the current clown show who's as dishonest as Trump. Actually, in the case of Donnie Johnny it's quite often his pathology or obsessive-compulsive disorder. With Nunes it's cold calculated deception. He's a combination between the weasels in Who Framed Roger Rabbit (standing by and going "Heh heh, hit 'im, boss!") and a calculating immoral piece of baggage like Joe McCarthy or Roy Cohn.
Nunes was also a member of the transition team so he probably has some skin in the game.
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I kinda miss logger giving updates from the conspiracy treehouse, so I went there to see how they're handling the "DOJ/FBI scandal" blowing up in their face and exposing Nunes' lies. Didn't see anything about that but they're hot on the trail of who leaked an unredacted version of Carter Page's FISA warrant.
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