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LOL says the person who can't digest the simple fact that people cannot see through buildings............you simply have very poor judgement and so you cannot be surprised when people ignore your suggestions to check anything.
Baby steps.....face up to the fact that you are wrong on the blatantly obvious stuff and then we might think your opinion of some value. As of now you are merely a joke. |
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I know the real reason why "Frances" was redacted.
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Penultimate Amazing
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Again, I am fascinated by this. Unfortunately, I have been spending all of my time focusing on the National Security Alert.
They tell me that "It wasn't Flight 77 and it didn't hit the building The majority of the witnesses we spoke with did not describe it as or said it looked like an American Airlines. It was a military plane and it flew over the building." So, my thinking is because CE on JREF has repeatedly insisted that CIT is correct, this whole thing with Press for Truth is some sort of disinfo campaign. I am going to the CIT's site and report this at "Operation Accountability"! Craig and Aldo will know what to do! |
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Ewige Blumenkraft
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Oh the silence, Carlitos. Yeah, I know you have no clue what she did because as you admitted you are only here to take cheap shots at me and muddy the waters, like your buddies. But do you know why I asked? No? Because contrary to you I really knew why the CIA was so eager to keep her name out of this and wanted to give you another opportunity to embarrass yourself. The names are out, with all the details in the documentary it was child's play to deduce them, at least for Sibel Edmonds and associates.
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Hope you feel safer now, Yankistanis. |
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I don't, not with MONSTERS like this running around:
"The First Known Accomplice? (Featuring Lloyde England) This presentation features our first interview with Lloyde England, the infamous taxicab driver who claims his windshield was speared by light pole #1. His account has been proven false by the 13 times corroborated witnesses who place plane on the north side of the gas station far from the light pole that allegedly hit Lloyde's car. The debate regarding what happened at the Pentagon can be boiled down to whether you choose to believe the north side witnesses or Lloyde. While the interview in this piece was conducted in 2006 before we had obtained the north side evidence, please also view our follow-up interview with Lloyde from 2008 where we confront him with the information proving his story false: The Eye of the Storm." This whole thread sounds like disinfo, because even a *********** 12 year old can see that it directly contradicts all the fine, fine work done by the wonder twins, Shakey Craig and The Buffet Slayer. Right CE? |
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gotta love kookfights
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16.5, the readers of this thread will not care about your off-topic nonsense or what it means. Perhaps they will wonder why it is allowed to go on, but that's all. What matters is that they get the information, which is not dependent on me being credible or not.
But you know that. It's just the only option left in the textbook. Sucks, eh? |
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Off topic? I am taking the very information that you are posting in this very thread and using it to demonstate that it directly contradicts one of your theories regarding what happened at the Pentagon.
Well, hell, you got away with spamming the NSA thing for sooooo long, I thought it absolutely essential to point out that this thread, posted by you, completely contradicts your pals' idiotic flyover theory, that you repeatedly spammed in other threads. So it is DIRECTLY on topic. Your opening post and the information therein is directly contradictory to the CIT fly over theory. But you know that. Hand waving it away is just the only option left in the textbook. Sucks, eh? /Someday a Truther is going to admit to being wrong. Someday..... |
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absolutely false. Now while your opening post consisted of exactly a link and a quote, it is certainly permissible to point out that it manages to contradict the No Planer at the Pentagon theory.
The fact that you posted it is very significant, because it seems that the OP's claim that the two men were hijackers is bull **** or the CIT claim that they were not even on the military planes is bull ****. Which is it? |
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Ewige Blumenkraft
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We'll see. With the parallel developing new Saudi stuff and Bob Graham calling for reopening the investigation, it could get interesting. This is making headlines outside the usual "fringe" sites. And all the interviewees are of course aware of the end product, too. |
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Wow. You must not have gotten the joke with the youtube link. I read the articles. She apparently did some bad things. I have mixed feelings about "outing" mid-level civil servants. I'm ambivalent.
That said, I don't know how this has anything to do with "9/11 Conspiracy Theories." Could you enlighten me please? |
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Come on. Honestly. You wouldn't want a wacky twoofie like me to summarize it. How would you know I got it right? I told you how to get started with this, that has to be enough. If you are honestly interested, that is. edit: all this aside, the actual documentary is REALLY worth listening to. You'll hear from Kean, Clarke, Mark Rossini, Eleanor Hill and several others who were either there while it happened or while it was investigated. Also Bob Baer, Lawrence Wright, Kevin Fenton and other authors. A stunning piece. Second concluding part is scheduled to be released October 11th. |
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Do I have to break the news to the truthers that it does not seem all that inside jobby jobby?
Actually, it shows the incompetence of pre 9/11 intelligence, the discussion of which has been over whelmed by idiotic theories like THE PENTAGON FLYOVER. Oh, pre 911 intelligence sucked. Oh Saudi nationals were involved in 911. INSIDE JOBBY! |
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Your first link was to a 13-page thread here without any indication of what the relevant material was. I skimmed it, but the vast majority here didn't seem to buy the claims offered, and there's certainly nothing that qualifies as a summary. I just want a summary of what you allege. I don't think that's too much to ask. The links you provided me go on and on about this guy said something to that guy who called this third guy who said not to send the cable to the fourth guy thus proving that the third guy was lying when he said he didn't know the first guy had forgotten that the fifth guy OH YEAH WHAT'S THE POINT. Here's all I want to know: Are the filmmakers, and by extension, you, accusing these government agents of intentionally allowing 9-11 to happen by failing to act when they had the opportunity? And just so you know what sort of answer I'm looking for here: [] Yes [] No |
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Ewige Blumenkraft
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The OP of that thread is a good summary. Nobody throughout the thread has seriously challenged the information in the OP while the claims were backed up in great detail. Yes, we are talking about intentional actions here. Here's the interview with Richard Clarke the producers released in August and which made some headlines. You can call that a summary, although I and likely the producers don't agree with his theory to explain what happened.
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The thread of spam, filled with fictional claims/conclusions. We are talking about fantasy and opinions, here, 911 truth, no action, no progress. The claims are nonsense. Feel free to apply for a Pulitzer! What is stopping you from taking action? Don't you want to be famous? If you were right about anything, you would have a Pulitzer. What is stopping you? Part of your problem, you are not saying anything, and the implied claims you have are fuzzy, not defined, and not supported by evidence. |
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Hahahahahaha! You didn't expect a yes / no answer to a simple question, did you? You expected it to be snipped from the response and ignored, then a link to yet another video that depicts Richard Clarke giving a theory that the OP and the producers wouldn't agree with, right?
See how it works? It's a game. The subject could be 9/11, bigfoot, or mysticism and it would be exactly the same. You can't argue with a personality disorder. |
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At the risk of playing this game, you are saying that your "we are talking about intentional actions here" is a "yes" to the above specific question about these specific government agents (Frances and Michael) intentionally allowing 9/11 to happen?
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Ewige Blumenkraft
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Together with others they prevented the system to work. Intentionally. This is not a matter of opinion, but of fact. I don't agree with Clarke about his theory WHY that happened (he may have come to different conclusions by now), but we agree on WHAT happened, because the facts are all there. Now do your homework or play elsewhere. sheeplesnshills, weren't you recently warned and asked to stop your spamming? |
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The yes / no question was Did Frances and Michael intentionally allow 9/11 to happen. It's really a simple yes or no. The question was not "intentionally prevent the system from working."
I realize that you don't want to answer a "yes or no" question for the reasons I stated above, but please stop pretending that you have answered it. |
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By you? ![]() How is it spamming? You are asking us to believe things you say and sources you link to and I'm simply pointing out to you any readers that you simply are not a credible source so that they could save their time checking your links. If you cry wolf you can't be surprised when no comes running anymore. The solution is in your hands. Stop defending the indefensible. People cannot see through buildings. |
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Ewige Blumenkraft
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It's only a simple yes or no question for simpletons. Their intentional actions allowed 9/11 to happen. This is a fact. Why they did what they did, and if and to which extent they were aware of the consequences, is a different question we can not know. Shouldn't we ask them, Carlitos? Hm? |
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They have the names. Surely legal threats aren't going to intimidate truth seekers? I know that journalism is long from the salad days, but God, they aren't even going to seek these guys out and ask direct questions? Cowards.
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As I've said before, I'm glad that real advocates and activists don't emulate the 9/11 "Truth" movement. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the many, many real-world successes of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Pretending to fight against a pretend conspiracy takes a lot less effort and guts. No risk, no reward.
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