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Old 8th August 2013, 06:19 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
Intelligent people are rather easily misled by what appears to be well reasoned arguments by what appear to be qualified people making them who are assumed to have thoroughly investigated what they are speaking about.
This comment applies more to those who believe in plummeting highrises, except that you have no well-reasoned arguments to justify your beliefs.

That's why intelligent people side with the well-reasoned arguments.
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Old 8th August 2013, 06:41 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by ergo View Post
This comment applies more to those who believe in plummeting highrises, except that you have no well-reasoned arguments to justify your beliefs.

That's why intelligent people side with the well-reasoned arguments.
The buildings didn't fall? Did they hide them somewhere during all the smoke and confusion?
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Old 8th August 2013, 05:42 PM   #323
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http://rethink911.org/

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WE DID IT!

ReThink911 reached its fundraising goal of $225,000 on August 6, 2013. Thanks to the very generous support of thousands of concerned citizens, ReThink911 will be seen in 11 major cities this September, coupled with grassroots actions all around the world.

The Next Step: Our Public Opinion Poll

To complement this unprecedented level of exposure, ReThink911 is commissioning a new public opinion poll to be released in the week leading up to September 11th. The deadline to reach our goal of $15,000 is this coming Sunday, August 11th.

After August 11th, ReThink911's focus will shift to educating the public and this website will be modified to serve that purpose.
They've raised nearly $5,000 of that so far.

I suspect their new poll will be just as "successful" as the last one (in 2011):
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=211371
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Old 8th August 2013, 06:24 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by ergo View Post
This comment applies more to those who believe in plummeting highrises, except that you have no well-reasoned arguments to justify your beliefs.

That's why intelligent people side with the well-reasoned arguments.
How well-reasoned is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o
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Old 8th August 2013, 08:37 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
http://rethink911.org/



They've raised nearly $5,000 of that so far.

I suspect their new poll will be just as "successful" as the last one (in 2011):
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=211371
If this is true, and I have no idea whether it is, the reality is that they would have worked on the art for many weeks now. I am also running out of home advertising in many of these cities this September. I have been working with our agency on mechanical art for 10 weeks now.

In other words, if the final art for these ads are already done and dusted, then these fundraising progress meters were always a complete charade. If the advertising actually runs the September, it means that they had committed to it months and months ago.

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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
If this is true, and I have no idea whether it is, the reality is that they would have worked on the art for many weeks now. I am also running out of home advertising in many of these cities this September. I have been working with our agency on mechanical art for 10 weeks now.

In other words, if the final art for these ads are already done and dusted, then these fundraising progress meters were always a complete charade. If the advertising actually runs the September, it means that they had committed to it months and months ago.
I wouldn't put it past the volunteers at AE911T to stuff the advertising up yet.
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Originally Posted by ergo View Post
This comment applies more to those who believe in plummeting highrises, except that you have no well-reasoned arguments to justify your beliefs.

That's why intelligent people side with the well-reasoned arguments.
Do you have any well-reasoned twoofer arguments? I've never seen any. Do you know any intelligent twoofers?
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Old 9th August 2013, 05:18 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by dafydd View Post
Do you have any well-reasoned twoofer arguments? I've never seen any. Do you know any intelligent twoofers?
"twoofer arguments" AND "intelligent twoofers" are both oxymorons.

The additional qualifier "well-reasoned" is redundant.

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Rethink911 extended the date for the poll fundraising another day to August 12.

It looks like they then met their moveable goal.
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Old 13th August 2013, 07:30 PM   #330
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Rethink911 extended the date for the poll fundraising another day to August 12.

It looks like they then met their moveable goal.
Traditional Truther thinking: If you're losing, move the goalposts until you find an argument you can win. Then claim victory over the whole argument as if nothing changed.
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Old 14th August 2013, 06:43 AM   #331
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It looks like they moved to a lot of transit shelter advertising, as I suggested a few pages back. I wonder if they are reading this thread? Maybe I could consult for them.
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Old 18th August 2013, 09:23 AM   #332
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AE911Truth had announced some time ago that the fundraising phase would be immediately followed by another phase of money making in which the "activists" would open their wallets a second time to buy ReThink911 merchandise for the "grassroots actions" in September. This was originally supposed to start after the initial donation deadline over one month ago.

Now, after almost one week of inactivity and only two weeks before the campaign is supposed to start, there are still no signs of this. Instead they decided to once again hold out their hand for donations, adding a new fundraiser to their site today. This time they want their followers to pay $15,000 for AE911Truth's "events in Times Square, Dundas Square and Congressional Outreach". No further details are given, but I guess we can soon expect a newsletter that will declare those self-advertising events historic, world changing, altering the public opinion on 9/11, etc. etc.
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AE911Truth had announced some time ago that the fundraising phase would be immediately followed by another phase of money making in which the "activists" would open their wallets a second time to buy ReThink911 merchandise for the "grassroots actions" in September. This was originally supposed to start after the initial donation deadline over one month ago.

Now, after almost one week of inactivity and only two weeks before the campaign is supposed to start, there are still no signs of this. Instead they decided to once again hold out their hand for donations, adding a new fundraiser to their site today. This time they want their followers to pay $15,000 for AE911Truth's "events in Times Square, Dundas Square and Congressional Outreach". No further details are given, but I guess we can soon expect a newsletter that will declare those self-advertising events historic, world changing, altering the public opinion on 9/11, etc. etc.
Could they mean that the "events in Times Square, Dundas Square and Congressional Outreach" are the "grassroots actions"? No sign of any merchandise rewards though.
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Could they mean that the "events in Times Square, Dundas Square and Congressional Outreach" are the "grassroots actions"? No sign of any merchandise rewards though.
$1,200 out of $15,000 so far for the newest campaign.
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$1,200 out of $15,000 so far for the newest campaign.
This is actually the initial amount the counter started with, which hasn't changed in three days.
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Old 21st August 2013, 12:18 AM   #336
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The materials for the gra$$roots actions are finally on sale now. Gage had already announced rates that would be as low as possible in a recent interview, but as usual most of the actual prices are well above common production costs.

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ReThink911 ‘Street Brochure’

This beautiful, four-panel, glossy brochure concisely lists some of the most important facts about the explosive destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers. These brochures are priced at nearly the cost of production so everybody can hand them out to the maximum number of people.
$17,99 for a 100-pack

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ReThink911 Vinyl Banners

These eye-catching banners will help you deliver the message that more than 2,000 architects and engineers are calling for a new investigation into to the destruction of all 3 WTC skyscrapers. Two sizes are available: The “Table Banner” — 72 in. by 30 in. (6 ft. wide), and the “Large Banner” — 111 in. x 46 in.
$134,99 apiece

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ReThink911 Yard/Hand-Held Sign

This attention-grabbing 24-in.-wide by 18-in.-tall Corroplast yard sign is your primary street-level attention grabber for ReThink911 grassroots actions. It arrives with a convenient plastic holder that can be driven into the ground – or it can be used as a sign holder for rallies. It’s a simple way to put Rethink911 on full display.
$39,99 apiece. They also have baseball caps for $19,99, t-shirts for $18,95, coffee mugs for $9,99 and bumper stickers for $7,99. They either have a really awful deal or they must really trust in the gullibility of their customers to expect them to believe those are sold at, quote Gage, "next to cost", especially when ordered by AE911Truth in bulk.

However, you can download the artwork for free from their Dropbox:

stickers, signs, banners and posters

web graphics

attachment letter with "Summary of the 9/11 World Trade Center Evidence" for AIA architects

documents for congressional visits

Quote from the letter to members of congress:

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The ... 2009 peer-reviewed paper “Active Thermitic Material” in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal remains un-refuted.
Because if it wasn't at least peer-rewied by hand-picked reviewers for an obscure pay-per-publish vanity journal you can safely ignore any criticism. As everyone knows, that's how science works.

But I particularly like this one:

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The government’s account of the unprecedented destruction of all three skyscrapers constitutes a mountain of distracting detail.
Wouldn't that be exactly what the CT side has been doing for years - obsessing with various details and supposed inconsistencies to distract from the fact that their alternative scenarios don't make sense on any level?
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Ottawa, Canada is now the 12th official city for the ReThink911 Campaign
The ReThink911 ads will appear on OC Transpo through the month of September, reaching tens of thousands of people in Ottawa.

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Sincerely,
Pamela Senzee
ReThink911 Campaign Coordinator

For some reason they did not post this on any of their own websites or Twitter accounts but only on this obscure Canadian truther blog. Pamela Senzee is the third person that has been titled "campaign coordinator" so far after Mike Figa and Laura Katleman who were known as co-coordinators before.
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For some reason they did not post this on any of their own websites or Twitter accounts but only on this obscure Canadian truther blog. Pamela Senzee is the third person that has been titled "campaign coordinator" so far after Mike Figa and Laura Katleman who were known as co-coordinators before.
Typically haphazard management from AE911Truth.

So long as Richard Gage gets his name on the internet, the cohesiveness is not important.
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Old 29th August 2013, 01:37 AM   #339
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According to this commenter on the AE911Truth Facebook site, the London ads are also up now. Let's see if people there care more than in San Francisco. So far it doesn't look like.

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Boston



Washington



Writing the obscure brand name in small print somewhere in the lower corner of a taxi ad doesn't appear like the smartest thing an amateur advertiser could do. They can estimate average impressions as much as they want - most people who see it will not even figure out what this is all about.
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Old 31st August 2013, 03:38 AM   #341
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Next years campaign might be something like this:
Do you know a Fourth Tower Fell on 9/11
Learn about how the 22 story Marriott hotel was rigged with thermite
Rethink 9/11
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Also, doesn't calling 7 WTC a "tower" make them look like they are under the delusion that there were "Triplet Towers", not Twin Towers?
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Old 31st August 2013, 05:08 AM   #343
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Next years campaign might be something like this:
Do you know a Fourth Tower Fell on 9/11
Learn about how the 22 story Marriott hotel was rigged with thermite
Rethink 9/11
I've already seen it. WTC6 is the 'smoking gun' for the space ray people. Some nuclear bomb people also like it.

5 and 6 World Trade Center
What Caused the Large Holes Visible from Above
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc6_5.html

I think we need a theory of the missing jolt to explain this, as well.
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That's Harvard Sq. in Cambridge. It's interesting because the church in the background is where Gage gave his show.

When Gage did his show the street was closed for a street festival. There were thousands of people crowded around but, he only managed to draw about 80 people. If you look at the size church, you can imaging how empty it looked.

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ReThink911’s Boston ad buy will consist of dozens of taxi top ads which will swarm the streets of Boston’s pedestrian heavy downtown for the month of September.
I'm not sure 60 cabs out of 2850 would be a "swarm".
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Originally Posted by Richard Gage
...11 cities that we're targeting now and this number of cities will grow in phase two of our campaign. We have big plans. We're trying to go to a half a million Dollar campaign following the September successes, which we fully expect.

Originally Posted by ReThink911.org
This new ReThink911 International Petition is open to all citizens worldwide.

When this petition reaches one million signatories, it will be delivered to the Head of State of every nation that had citizens who died in the attacks on September 11, 2001.

Those people really do live in their own little world.

Meanwhile it's the 2nd of September and I cannot help wondering where the campaign is. No activity so far on the ReThink911 web outlets. There's not even a press release yet. What's an AE911Truth campaign without a pompous press release?

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Yay, a new fail to look forward to!

Thanks, Muc!
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It's sort of sad that the organizers of this campaign will assume there subjects will be lazy and not follow the links the provide.

If you click on "melted steel" under the WTC 7 line you will be directed to this page:

http://rethink911.org/evidence/build...l/#pagecontent

On that page there is this quote:

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Appendix C of FEMA’s 2002 Building Performance Study documented the existence of several beams from World Trade Center Building 7 that had experienced a “severe high temperature corrosion attack.”

The authors of Appendix C hypothesized that a eutectic formed in the steel at approximately 1000° C due to a slow sulfidation process in the debris pile after 9/11,
What melting? How does this support what they are claiming?

They're not to bright and expect their subjects to be worse.
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Those people really do live in their own little world.

Meanwhile it's the 2nd of September and I cannot help wondering where the campaign is. No activity so far on the ReThink911 web outlets. There's not even a press release yet. What's an AE911Truth campaign without a pompous press release?
1,018 signatures in how long?
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By now all ads except in New York (starting today), Vancouver (9/4), San Diego (9/5) and Ottawa (9/9) should be up. If you measure the success so far in Facebook likes, you get a number of ca. 400 in the last 24 hours, which is around four to five times as much as in the preceeding days but still far from impressive. In the same time, the ReThink911.org web site slightly rose from 501,000 to 485,000 in the Alexa web traffic rankings.

The new "petition" - which is an unchecked online petition whose signatories are not publicly displayed, making it rather worthless, with the likes of Daffy Duck, Stan Laurel and Bruce Wayne probably already signing up - has approx. 1,800 signatures at the moment. The newsletter in which it was announced should have more than 20,000 subscribers, so any number below that in the first days of the petition would not really be surprising.
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And here it is, the pride of trutherdom:



The little addition in the lower left says "BE HERE 9/11/13 5:20PM", which appears to be the time at which Gage intends to bathe in the adulation of the grateful masses.
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1,018 signatures in how long?
compared to the number of people on a bus, thats a lot of people!
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Oh, the hubris...

Originally Posted by ReThink911
Main #ReThink911 Event in New York this September 11th. All details to be revealed tomorrow. How about 1 million people show up in Times Square? It's up to you New York!

Meanwhile, in the real world, watching ReThink911 trying to get off the ground during its first days has been a bit like watching an overweight chicken desperately flapping around in the courtyard after boastfully declaring that only the sky is the limit. So far they have been struggling to even mobilize a number anywhere near the ca. 20,000 of their own followers that signed their previous petitions. The new one is at around 4,700 at the moment.
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One million people? They'll be bloody lucky to get one hundred.
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Speaking of the old petition: the "other supporters" petition actually lost 29 signatures since the campaign started.
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Does anyone have any views on what to expect from Ben Swann.

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Does anyone have any views on what to expect from Ben Swann.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCPcv...eature=youtube
(after I Googled his name to find out why I should care).

Why should I care? Best guess, hopes to pull some rating points?
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Old 9th September 2013, 08:25 PM   #359
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They have finally released the results of the new YouGov opinion poll for ReThink911, which included showing the subjects the following clumsily manipulative video - a silent and heavily edited compilation of 7WTC collapse clips - then asking them if they thought it was a "controlled demolition".

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The results of this Argumentum ad Looks Like, they claim in big bold letters, show that "1 in 2 Americans Have Doubts About the Government Account of 9/11" and that "most Americans are open to alternative 9/11 theories".

There were also some recurring questions in there that were already asked in the 2011 Siena poll for Remember Building 7 - but this mostly didn't turn out as planned for them, as the below example shows:

Assumed cause of the collapse of 7WTC (if aware of):
Old poll: 49% fire, 24% explosives
New poll: 60% fire, 17% explosives

Understandably, there is no mention of the Siena poll in yesterday's release. Meanwhile, they are already trying to spin the pitiful failure that the ReThink911 campaign has been so far as a success:

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Chris Traynor You know, I don't mean to be a buzz kill but "nearly 6,000 signatures" after this many days out in the world is LOUSY and, sadly, shows what an uphill climb it will be to get most people to give a **** about the largest single attack on their freedom since the first phony Pearl Harbor. Sorry, but it would have been better to NOT report this number ... they have marketing and communication experts on the evil side, don't we have any kind of experts on ours???
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ReThink911 @Chris Traynor, this petition has been release only a few days ago so the numbers are good. It's with your help and the help of everyone here that we will reach 1 million signatures. There are no valid reason why we cannot achieve this. Please share, then share again, then share again...
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Chris Traynor I've been a part of this movement since the early days and I have nothing but hope for its success but my hope is a measured hope and it's a hope that understand that this is a communication war. I know that we'll never "outgun" the opposition when it comes to control of message or attracting eyeballs to just the right images, however, the first few days of this campaign should have produced the greatest amount of excitement (which translates into the greatest number of Facebook shares and signatures ... those joining up with their signatures will surely dwindle over time, particularly as your money runs out). If this is a worldwide campaign, then with about 200 or so essentially "free" countries on this planet, that puts you currently at approximately 30 signatures per country. We're going to have to disagree about these numbers being "good." Something's either wrong with the message, the method of distribution OR the masses. ...

Well, I'll go with the message and the method of distribution, but somehow I have the feeling that it will be ultimately blamed on the masses being to brainwashed to get it, so please donate even more for the next campaign so the marketing power of the "evil side" can be matched, etc. etc.
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Money well spent. Congrats to Mr Gage & Co
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