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Old 14th February 2018, 02:00 PM   #1
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HRH Prince Henrik, Denmark died today.

Henrik was Prince consort = Husband to the queen.

In Denmark, the current regent is a queen. Thus, her husband is "Prince Consort".

HRH Prince Henrik died today aged 83 after a period of disease and ailing health.

Just for information.

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Old 14th February 2018, 02:07 PM   #2
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In Amurica we don't need such distinctions.

Here it's "President," "First Lady," and "intern."
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Old 14th February 2018, 09:04 PM   #3
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I gather he wanted to be buried apart from her because he was never titled "king" when they married. True or false?
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Old 14th February 2018, 11:11 PM   #4
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Are there Prince Concubines to take his place?
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Old 14th February 2018, 11:52 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
I gather he wanted to be buried apart from her because he was never titled "king" when they married. True or false?
It has always struck me as a little odd that if you marry the King, you become the Queen, but if you marry the Queen you become the Prince Consort or whatever title they are using nowadays. It's like it's understood that if there is a King and a Queen that the King is in charge.
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What happens when a King marries a King?
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Originally Posted by gerdbonk View Post
What happens when a King marries a King?
Then they're both Queens.

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Old 15th February 2018, 01:12 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
I gather he wanted to be buried apart from her because he was never titled "king" when they married. True or false?
Correct.

I wonder if any modern European monarch (you know what I mean) has been less liked.
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Old 15th February 2018, 01:13 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
It has always struck me as a little odd that if you marry the King, you become the Queen, but if you marry the Queen you become the Prince Consort or whatever title they are using nowadays. It's like it's understood that if there is a King and a Queen that the King is in charge.
This is the situation in Denmark, not universally.
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Henrik was Prince consort = Husband to the queen.

In Denmark, the current regent is a queen. Thus, her husband is "Prince Consort".
The philosopher Patrice O'Neal broke this down, though he applies it to dating in America. If you're a King, any woman you marry, it doesn't matter how dumb or ugly, becomes the QUEEN. She gets elevated to the highest social rung in your society. However, if you're a man and you marry the Queen... then you're just the mutha-****a who married the Queen.
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Originally Posted by gerdbonk View Post
What happens when a King marries a King?
Hmm. Hedwig of Poland was crowned king ("król") as they did not have a feminine variant or an equivalent of "queen". When Wladyslaw II, Grand Duke of Lithuania, married her, he also became (co-)king, and continued to rule after her death. Thus were laid the foundations for what would eventually become the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
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Old 15th February 2018, 02:33 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
I gather he wanted to be buried apart from her because he was never titled "king" when they married. True or false?
That is correct. A little strange to suddenly realize that nearly fifty years after marrying a heir to a crovn. However, he did seem to loose the grip somewhat during the latest years, and he was actually diagnosed with dementia last year. So perhaps the lung infection that killed him was a blessing in disguise.

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This is the situation in Denmark, not universally.
In Britain as well, isn't it? Philip and Albert are/were both prince-consorts, not kings. William and Mary were the exception, they were both co-monarchs in their own right.
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In Britain as well, isn't it?.....
Yeah, I think so.
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Correct.

I wonder if any modern European monarch (you know what I mean) has been less liked.
I don't know about that. Henrik had his fans. His style was flamboyant and independent .... French, in short.

I think many Danes were annoyed he never bothered to learn the language very well. And his bickering about his position was seen as illoyal to the (very popular) queen.

I don't think he was really much disliked, just not taken that seriously. But then, most Danes have a very relaxed view on royalty.

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It has always struck me as a little odd that if you marry the King, you become the Queen, but if you marry the Queen you become the Prince Consort or whatever title they are using nowadays. It's like it's understood that if there is a King and a Queen that the King is in charge.
There is a distinction between Queen Regnant, a queen who is the actual monarch, and Queen Consort, a queen who is married to the king and doesn't actually rule. By the same token it's possible to be King Regnant or King Consort. However, there's a clear imbalance in that the title of King Consort is so rarely used, with Prince Consort being a more common title, that "King" is normally assumed to be equivalent to "King Regnant." But it's not entirely unknown.

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I wonder if any modern European monarch (you know what I mean) has been less liked.
Well, considering the remarks some people have made about a different Prince Consort...

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Well, considering the remarks some people have made about a different Prince Consort...

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You mean that bad-mouthed, politically-incorrect Greek?
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Correct.

I wonder if any modern European monarch (you know what I mean) has been less liked.
I don't know anything about Henrik, but your own Prince Consort doesn't seem particularly popular. I think you've mentioned him yourself.
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I gather he wanted to be buried apart from her because he was never titled "king" when they married. True or false?

It seems as if he's going to be all over the place:

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Prins Henriks aske skal spredes i havet og nedsættes i Frederiksborg Slotshave (Berlingske, Feb. 14, 2018)

I was on a plane to Las Palmas this Saturday, Feb. 10. On board were also Folketingets formand (the chairman of the Danish Parliament). After we landed and people started turning on their cell phones, she got up and told the other passengers that Prince Henrik had died between take-off in Kastrup and landing in Las Palmas!
I guess she was just ahead of her time – for once.
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There is a distinction between Queen Regnant, a queen who is the actual monarch, and Queen Consort, a queen who is married to the king and doesn't actually rule. By the same token it's possible to be King Regnant or King Consort. However, there's a clear imbalance in that the title of King Consort is so rarely used, with Prince Consort being a more common title, that "King" is normally assumed to be equivalent to "King Regnant." But it's not entirely unknown.

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In the constitutional monarchy od Denmark, it is simply a question of language:

Konge (=King): A male monarch.

Dronning (=Queen):

1) The wife of a king.
2) A female monarch.

So, the term "Dronning" is ambiguous, due to historical reasons (Queen Margrethe II is only the second female monarch in the history of Denmark).

This is the simple reason why prince Henrik could not be king; he was not a male monarch.

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What happens when a King marries a King?
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Then they're both Queens.


For those who don't understand this exchange between gerdbonk and angrysoba, it's a subtle grammar tyrant comment on those who capitalize the word king when it's referring to the position as well as a reference to a little-known historical incident involving conspiracies, an assassination plot, and a royal scandal. (I'm surprised angrysoba is familiar with it, since -- for obvious reasons -- it was hushed up by the security services of several nations after the matter was resolved.)

Basically, what happened is that noted detective Ellery Queen was appointed by the parliament of [COUNTRY NAME DELETED] to be their king in order to investigate [CONSPIRACY DETAILS DELETED]. At the time he and Carole King were romantically involved, and shortly after assuming the position of king he married her. So a Queen was king, and a King was queen.

But Carole King at the time had strong feminist beliefs, one of which was that a woman should not adopt her husband's last name as hers after getting married. So she remained Carole King rather than becoming Carole Queen -- King did not become a Queen even though she became a queen.

Carole encouraged Ellery to make a statement in support of the feminist movement by adopting her last name after they were married, but he declined to do so -- Queen did not become a King even though he became a king.

So a king and a King were married, and a Queen and a queen were married -- but they remained a king and a King, or a Queen and a queen, so they were neither two Kings nor two kings, neither two Queens nor two queens.

This is obviously what gerdbonk and angrysoba were referring to. I'm surprised but pleased to see I'm not the only one familiar with the incident. Indeed, in light of recent US history it's a shame the full details of the conspiracy Queen managed to uncover were kept from the public and some of the key conspirators managed to avoid the disgrace and punishment they should have received.

Obviously I can't publicly name the conspirators, especially not the lead conspirator, or disclose the classified details, but I think it's okay to say a little bit about the denouement of the case. Queen had gathered many of the key players together for a high stakes Pinochle game -- one of the stakes being his life. On the final hand, Queen held very good cards. "I won the bid," he declared, "so I get to name

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It seems as if he's going to be all over the place:




I was on a plane to Las Palmas this Saturday, Feb. 10. On board were also Folketingets formand (the chairman of the Danish Parliament). After we landed and people started turning on their cell phones, she got up and told the other passengers that Prince Henrik had died between take-off in Kastrup and landing in Las Palmas!
I guess she was just ahead of her time – for once.
Did you get a chance to kick her shin?

.... Didn't mean that. ... much.

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Did you get a chance to kick her shin?

.... Didn't mean that. ... much.

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That made me wonder who your speaker is, so I clicked the wiki-link from dann's post. Seeing that photo, I'm confused. I thought she was prejudiced against brown people?
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That made me wonder who your speaker is, so I clicked the wiki-link from dann's post. Seeing that photo, I'm confused. I thought she was prejudiced against brown people?
I think tanned white people are OK with her (as long as they're Danish and Christian).

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What happens when a King marries a King?
That happened once in Czechoslovakia. They became Czech mates.
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Did you get a chance to kick her shin?

.... Didn't mean that. ... much.

More than a chance! I was in the seat behind hers, but I'm afraid I didn't use it!
Not that I'm a big fan ...
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Then they're both Queens.

For the past thirty years or so, Prince Henrik was rumored to be gay. I have no idea if he was, and I don't care.
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For those who don't understand this exchange between gerdbonk and angrysoba, it's a subtle grammar tyrant comment on those who capitalize the word king when it's referring to the position as well as a reference to a little-known historical incident involving conspiracies, an assassination plot, and a royal scandal. (I'm surprised angrysoba is familiar with it, since -- for obvious reasons -- it was hushed up by the security services of several nations after the matter was resolved.)

Basically, what happened is that noted detective Ellery Queen was appointed by the parliament of [COUNTRY NAME DELETED] to be their king in order to investigate [CONSPIRACY DETAILS DELETED]. At the time he and Carole King were romantically involved, and shortly after assuming the position of king he married her. So a Queen was king, and a King was queen.

But Carole King at the time had strong feminist beliefs, one of which was that a woman should not adopt her husband's last name as hers after getting married. So she remained Carole King rather than becoming Carole Queen -- King did not become a Queen even though she became a queen.

Carole encouraged Ellery to make a statement in support of the feminist movement by adopting her last name after they were married, but he declined to do so -- Queen did not become a King even though he became a king.

So a king and a King were married, and a Queen and a queen were married -- but they remained a king and a King, or a Queen and a queen, so they were neither two Kings nor two kings, neither two Queens nor two queens.

This is obviously what gerdbonk and angrysoba were referring to. I'm surprised but pleased to see I'm not the only one familiar with the incident. Indeed, in light of recent US history it's a shame the full details of the conspiracy Queen managed to uncover were kept from the public and some of the key conspirators managed to avoid the disgrace and punishment they should have received.

Obviously I can't publicly name the conspirators, especially not the lead conspirator, or disclose the classified details, but I think it's okay to say a little bit about the denouement of the case. Queen had gathered many of the key players together for a high stakes Pinochle game -- one of the stakes being his life. On the final hand, Queen held very good cards. "I won the bid," he declared, "so I get to name

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