The Roe Countdown - Page 51

Bob001 · 24th June 2022, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Just remember, kids:

1) It doesn’t matter who you vote for.
2) All politicians are corrupt.
3) They’re all the same.

If you don't see any difference between, say, Obama and Trump, or Sanders and Cruz, or AOC and MTJ, you are blind and deaf.

Warp12 · 24th June 2022, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Just remember, kids:

1) It doesn’t matter who you vote for.
2) All politicians are corrupt.
3) They’re all the same.

Originally Posted by Bob001

If you don't see any difference between, say, Obama and Trump, or Sanders and Cruz, or AOC and MTJ, you are blind and deaf.

Well there is an ancient saying....two of **** is ****.

If one bad thing is worse than another, it doesn't make one of them "good".

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

And now our resident conservatives can cream themselves dreaming of their future Gilead.

Sounds like they'll go after gay marriage next.

Regnad Kcin · 24th June 2022, 07:54 AM

In his concurrence, [Justice Clarence] Thomas wrote that the court should now "reconsider" its decisions that found a right to contraception, sex between consenting adult men, and same-sex marriage — and "correct the error" made in cases like "Griswold, Lawerence and Obergefell."

See post 2000.

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/in-...obbs-decision/

tyr_13 · 24th June 2022, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Just remember, kids:

1) It doesn’t matter who you vote for.
2) All politicians are corrupt.
3) They’re all the same.

Originally Posted by Bob001

If you don't see any difference between, say, Obama and Trump, or Sanders and Cruz, or AOC and MTJ, you are blind and deaf.

Posted needed a /s to indicate sarcasm, or sardonic-ism perhaps here.

It's mocking the 'Enlightened Independent Centrists' who use the lazy thinking described. The same thinking is used to sooth cognitive dissonance by conservatives who start actually thinking and realize how evil they're being. The same thinking is invoked by authoritarians like Putin in Russia to justify their actions.

Weaponized, lazy, nihilistic, apathy. The only way to justify their failure to even try to do anything is to pretend nothing would have worked anyway.

Regnad Kcin · 24th June 2022, 07:56 AM

Just like that, the January 6 Committee Hearings are blasted off the front page. Trump wins again.

cosmicaug · 24th June 2022, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

In his concurrence, [Justice Clarence] Thomas wrote that the court should now "reconsider" its decisions that found a right to contraception, sex between consenting adult men, and same-sex marriage — and "correct the error" made in cases like "Griswold, Lawerence and Obergefell."

See post 2000.

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/in-...obbs-decision/

I'm sure Warpy doesn't think they will do that either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bob001 · 24th June 2022, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Well there is an ancient saying....two of **** is ****.

I don't recognize any such saying. What thought are you trying to express?

Skeptic Ginger · 24th June 2022, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Just like that, the January 6 Committee Hearings are blasted off the front page. Trump wins again.

I'm not so sure about that. The next hearings aren't for a couple weeks, giving them time to be the headline again.

More importantly, it's Drumpf's fault, second only to McConnell. People aren't going to completely ignore that.

What might just happen, along the lines of 'be careful what you wish for', are political upsets in some of these state houses this Nov.

Lukraak_Sisser · 24th June 2022, 08:07 AM

My condolences to all the women losing the freedom to chose for themselves. It's a pity seeing a nation once dedicated to freedom slowly transforming itself into one that is not.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:13 AM

The January 6 Commission can't undue the nominations of Trump's 3 toadies no matter what they prove Trump did.

The 6-3 Conservative Majority isn't going away in our lifetimes.

cosmicaug · 24th June 2022, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

I'm sure Warpy doesn't think they will do that either.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Thomas concurrence part about how the other rulings might have to be reconsidered is a mild surprise. However, the surprise is not that those decisions might be on the table (only the same people who've been saying for the last 20 years that the Roe v. Wade stuff is mere grandstanding & not really about Roe v. Wade & Casey being on the table should believe that these other decisions are definitely not on the table) but that he'd say so in the same decision where Alito tries to suggest otherwise (albeit with little or no credibility).

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:14 AM

Quick someone check on Susan Collins. Ask her how "concerned" she is about all of this.

cosmicaug · 24th June 2022, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Just like that, the January 6 Committee Hearings are blasted off the front page. Trump wins again.

If nothing else, it blasts yesterday's gun ruling off the front page. This is a ruling that all but guarantees virtually any restriction on firearm carry & ownership to become tied up in the courts for years.

Armitage72 · 24th June 2022, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

In his concurrence, [Justice Clarence] Thomas wrote that the court should now "reconsider" its decisions that found a right to contraception, sex between consenting adult men, and same-sex marriage — and "correct the error" made in cases like "Griswold, Lawerence and Obergefell."

See post 2000.

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/in-...obbs-decision/

Back when celebrity chef Cat Cora and her wife had a child, they said that they decided that one of them would carry the other's fertilized egg to term so that they would both have a legal claim to their child, "just in case" something happened to the legal status of their marriage. it's depressing that it may have been a smart decision.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Quick someone check on Susan Collins. Ask her how "concerned" she is about all of this.

On the Susan Collins Scale of Concern I believe we've reached "mildly vexed" bordering on "heavily perturbed".

Resume · 24th June 2022, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

This should make for some exciting times ahead, on a state level.

Yeah, especially for rape and incest victims; but then again, they're split-tails who say no when they really mean yes. Right?

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

On the Susan Collins Scale of Concern I believe we've reached "mildly vexed" bordering on "heavily perturbed".

Maybe when the first people start getting thrown in ovens she'll reach "Well this a dilly of a pickle..."

Skeptic Ginger · 24th June 2022, 08:20 AM

Nov will be telling. If the GOP doesn't lose seat after seat in Nov we are in real trouble. If they do then Congress has a chance to pass a federal law protecting human rights.

slyjoe · 24th June 2022, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

On the Susan Collins Scale of Concern I believe we've reached "mildly vexed" bordering on "heavily perturbed".

How can you tell the difference?

shemp · 24th June 2022, 08:23 AM

I suggest that this thread be closed and a new thread opened. There is no more countdown. Roe v. Wade has been overturned. The forces of evil have had their way, and there is certainly worse to come.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

I suggest that this thread be closed and a new thread opened. There is no more countdown. Roe v. Wade has been overturned. The forces of evil have had their way, and there is certainly worse to come.

At this point just start a "Conservative Trolls dance on America's Grave" thread and get it over with.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Nov will be telling. If the GOP doesn't lose seat after seat in Nov we are in real trouble. If they do then Congress has a chance to pass a federal law protecting human rights.

They'd need to keep all of their Senate seats and pick up 10 more for it to pass through the entire legislature. I don't see that happening. I still don't see the Dems keeping the House. If something would cause a shift in that, this would be it though. I can't imagine a lot of independent standing women are going to be pleased by this outcome.

A lot of the Republicans want this on paper, as well as the overturn of Obergefell, but not that they've been the law of the land I don't think people will react very well to those rights being taken away. So I hope you're right, I hope this causes a large increase in Dem victories, but at this moment I have little faith in my fellow Americans. Less than ever before.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:26 AM

The Dems can control the House, Senate, Presidency, all the Major Houses of Westeros, the East and West Coast Rappers, all 5 New York Crime Families and it won't matter if there's a 6-3 Conservative Court.

They pass a Federal Law protecting abortion? SCOTUS will rule it Unconstitional.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by slyjoe

How can you tell the difference?

It's pretty subtle, you have to really be paying attention. Here's a scale to help (I can't take credit). I've added a few levels not in the graph, but I'm granular like that.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:29 AM

I don't even have it in me to go back through this thread and call out all the trolls who were saying it was "dramatic" to think that Roe V Wade was going to be overturned.

Dumb All Over · 24th June 2022, 08:30 AM

I just voted 'Before 31 December 2022'. What do I win?

Bob001 · 24th June 2022, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Nov will be telling. If the GOP doesn't lose seat after seat in Nov we are in real trouble. If they do then Congress has a chance to pass a federal law protecting human rights.

Some commentators are noting that this SC could easily find grounds to overturn such a law.

TragicMonkey · 24th June 2022, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Some commentators are noting that this SC could easily find grounds to overturn such a law.

Which is why we need to have this stuff explicitly and clearly spelled out in the Constitution. So we're not stuck with the whims of interpretation for centuries.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Some commentators are noting that this SC could easily find grounds to overturn such a law.

Yeah or just do it and not even pretend they have a reason, either way.

Assuming they don't jump straight to "Just install a Theocratic Dictator" and cut out all the extra steps they'll come after Birth Control next.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The Dems can control the House, Senate, Presidency, all the Major Houses of Westeros, the East and West Coast Rappers, all 5 New York Crime Families and it won't matter if there's a 6-3 Conservative Court.

They pass a Federal Law protecting abortion? SCOTUS will rule it Unconstitional.

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think they can. I don't know that SCOTUS has the power to overturn laws passed by the entirety of the legislature since they decide what is law.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think they can. I don't know that SCOTUS has the power to overturn laws passed by the entirety of the legislature since they decide what is law.

I didn't say one word about what SCOTUS has the power to do, just what they will do.

Again we still have not gotten an answer to "Republicans have learned they can do whatever they want until someone stops them."

Congress passes a federal abortion protection law. SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional. The Democrats screech "But you can't do that!" What's the next step?

crescent · 24th June 2022, 08:47 AM

Two points:

1: I always thought that the right to privacy was a very thin twig from which to support reproductive rights. Legally, that is. It seemed like a stretch - reproductive rights should to be a legal right unto its own - on par with other rights clearly spelled out in the Constitution. But the Dems never seemed to push that very hard.

2: The Dems were also naïve to pin their SC questions on the issue of "settled law". The law is settled until it becomes unsettled, it seemed clear that potential justices were using the term to cop out from clearly stating whether or not they would vote against reproductive rights. In that sense, they didn't really perjure themselves, because nobody could ever pin them down hard on whether or not they would vote to overturn Roe v Wade.

"It is settled law" was just an excuse to avoid really answering the question, and the Dems let that slide. If a law is truly unconstitutional, then the SC can overturn it, "settled law" or not. The Dems knew that but pretended not to.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I didn't say one word about what SCOTUS has the power to do, just what they will do.

Again we still have not gotten an answer to "Republicans have learned they can do whatever they want until someone stops them."

Yes, I understand. It's all gloom and doom right now, but I'm saying I don't think there is a process to take a law passed through the entire legislature and have it debated in court. I don't think it's possible.

Bob001 · 24th June 2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think they can. I don't know that SCOTUS has the power to overturn laws passed by the entirety of the legislature since they decide what is law.

But the court decides what is Constitutional. That is the basis on which they can throw out any particular law.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by crescent

"It is settled law" was just an excuse to avoid really answering the question, and the Dems let that slide. If a law is truly unconstitutional, then the SC can overturn it, "settled law" or not. The Dems knew that but pretended not to.

I don't understand this, and admittedly I'm a bit of a dope on some legal things, but if protecting abortion rights passed through the House, Senate and White House, on what grounds could SCOTUS overturn it? It would be codified. Has this happened before and I don't know about it? Where they've actually taken a law that's passed through all houses and they've overturned it on Constitutional grounds? I'll plead ignorance.

Originally Posted by Bob001

But the court decides what is Constitutional. That is the basis on which they can throw out any particular law.

Yes, I see you guys saying this, I'm asking for some form of example. Nothing is coming to mind where all 3 branches of legislature passed something and then SCOTUS said "no, you can't do that".

Brainster · 24th June 2022, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think they can. I don't know that SCOTUS has the power to overturn laws passed by the entirety of the legislature since they decide what is law.

Marbury v. Madison.

plague311 · 24th June 2022, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Marbury v. Madison.

Is that comparable to this case? Reading through it, it sounds like it's more about a specific appointment than the law being overturned. Perhaps break it down better for me? Like I said, I don't understand all this stuff like you may. Pretend I'm a dumb ass, it shouldn't be hard.

sarge · 24th June 2022, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

Yes, I understand. It's all gloom and doom right now, but I'm saying I don't think there is a process to take a law passed through the entire legislature and have it debated in court. I don't think it's possible.

You don’t think it possible for the US Supreme Court to rule a law passed by both houses and signed by the President to be unconstitutional?

It is, unequivocally. It has been since Mayberry v Madison.

JoeMorgue · 24th June 2022, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by plague311

I don't understand this, and admittedly I'm a bit of a dope on some legal things, but if protecting abortion rights passed through the House, Senate and White House, on what grounds could SCOTUS overturn it?

"We say so."

Before 31 December 2020	20	18.35%
Before 31 December 2022	27	24.77%
Before 31 December 2024	9	8.26%
SCOTUS will not pick a case up	16	14.68%
SCOTUS will pick it up and decline to overturn	37	33.94%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

24th June 2022, 07:52 AM	#2002
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Just remember, kids: 1) It doesn’t matter who you vote for. 2) All politicians are corrupt. 3) They’re all the same. Originally Posted by Bob001 If you don't see any difference between, say, Obama and Trump, or Sanders and Cruz, or AOC and MTJ, you are blind and deaf. Well there is an ancient saying....two of ** is **. If one bad thing is worse than another, it doesn't make one of them "good".
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24th June 2022, 07:52 AM	#2003
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,709	Originally Posted by kookbreaker And now our resident conservatives can cream themselves dreaming of their future Gilead. Sounds like they'll go after gay marriage next.
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24th June 2022, 07:54 AM	#2004
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,754	In his concurrence, [Justice Clarence] Thomas wrote that the court should now "reconsider" its decisions that found a right to contraception, sex between consenting adult men, and same-sex marriage — and "correct the error" made in cases like "Griswold, Lawerence and Obergefell." See post 2000. https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/in-...obbs-decision/
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24th June 2022, 07:55 AM	#2005
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 17,477	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Just remember, kids: 1) It doesn’t matter who you vote for. 2) All politicians are corrupt. 3) They’re all the same. Originally Posted by Bob001 If you don't see any difference between, say, Obama and Trump, or Sanders and Cruz, or AOC and MTJ, you are blind and deaf. Posted needed a /s to indicate sarcasm, or sardonic-ism perhaps here. It's mocking the 'Enlightened Independent Centrists' who use the lazy thinking described. The same thinking is used to sooth cognitive dissonance by conservatives who start actually thinking and realize how evil they're being. The same thinking is invoked by authoritarians like Putin in Russia to justify their actions. Weaponized, lazy, nihilistic, apathy. The only way to justify their failure to even try to do anything is to pretend nothing would have worked anyway.
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24th June 2022, 07:51 AM	#2001
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,306	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Just remember, kids: 1) It doesn’t matter who you vote for. 2) All politicians are corrupt. 3) They’re all the same. If you don't see any difference between, say, Obama and Trump, or Sanders and Cruz, or AOC and MTJ, you are blind and deaf.

24th June 2022, 07:56 AM	#2006
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,754	Just like that, the January 6 Committee Hearings are blasted off the front page. Trump wins again.
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24th June 2022, 07:58 AM	#2007
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,899	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin In his concurrence, [Justice Clarence] Thomas wrote that the court should now "reconsider" its decisions that found a right to contraception, sex between consenting adult men, and same-sex marriage — and "correct the error" made in cases like "Griswold, Lawerence and Obergefell." See post 2000. https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/in-...obbs-decision/ I'm sure Warpy doesn't think they will do that either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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24th June 2022, 07:58 AM	#2008
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,306	Originally Posted by Warp12 Well there is an ancient saying....two of ** is **. I don't recognize any such saying. What thought are you trying to express?

24th June 2022, 08:06 AM	#2009
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,992	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Just like that, the January 6 Committee Hearings are blasted off the front page. Trump wins again. I'm not so sure about that. The next hearings aren't for a couple weeks, giving them time to be the headline again. More importantly, it's Drumpf's fault, second only to McConnell. People aren't going to completely ignore that. What might just happen, along the lines of 'be careful what you wish for', are political upsets in some of these state houses this Nov.

24th June 2022, 08:07 AM	#2010
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,814	My condolences to all the women losing the freedom to chose for themselves. It's a pity seeing a nation once dedicated to freedom slowly transforming itself into one that is not.

24th June 2022, 08:13 AM	#2011
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	The January 6 Commission can't undue the nominations of Trump's 3 toadies no matter what they prove Trump did. The 6-3 Conservative Majority isn't going away in our lifetimes.

24th June 2022, 08:14 AM	#2012
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,899	Originally Posted by cosmicaug I'm sure Warpy doesn't think they will do that either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The Thomas concurrence part about how the other rulings might have to be reconsidered is a mild surprise. However, the surprise is not that those decisions might be on the table (only the same people who've been saying for the last 20 years that the Roe v. Wade stuff is mere grandstanding & not really about Roe v. Wade & Casey being on the table should believe that these other decisions are definitely not on the table) but that he'd say so in the same decision where Alito tries to suggest otherwise (albeit with little or no credibility).
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24th June 2022, 08:14 AM	#2013
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Quick someone check on Susan Collins. Ask her how "concerned" she is about all of this.

24th June 2022, 08:16 AM	#2014
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,899	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Just like that, the January 6 Committee Hearings are blasted off the front page. Trump wins again. If nothing else, it blasts yesterday's gun ruling off the front page. This is a ruling that all but guarantees virtually any restriction on firearm carry & ownership to become tied up in the courts for years.
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24th June 2022, 08:17 AM	#2015
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,557	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin In his concurrence, [Justice Clarence] Thomas wrote that the court should now "reconsider" its decisions that found a right to contraception, sex between consenting adult men, and same-sex marriage — and "correct the error" made in cases like "Griswold, Lawerence and Obergefell." See post 2000. https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/in-...obbs-decision/ Back when celebrity chef Cat Cora and her wife had a child, they said that they decided that one of them would carry the other's fertilized egg to term so that they would both have a legal claim to their child, "just in case" something happened to the legal status of their marriage. it's depressing that it may have been a smart decision.

24th June 2022, 08:17 AM	#2016
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,709	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Quick someone check on Susan Collins. Ask her how "concerned" she is about all of this. On the Susan Collins Scale of Concern I believe we've reached "mildly vexed" bordering on "heavily perturbed".
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24th June 2022, 08:17 AM	#2017
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,549	Originally Posted by Warp12 This should make for some exciting times ahead, on a state level. Yeah, especially for rape and incest victims; but then again, they're split-tails who say no when they really mean yes. Right?
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24th June 2022, 08:20 AM	#2018
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by plague311 On the Susan Collins Scale of Concern I believe we've reached "mildly vexed" bordering on "heavily perturbed". Maybe when the first people start getting thrown in ovens she'll reach "Well this a dilly of a pickle..."

24th June 2022, 08:20 AM	#2019
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,992	Nov will be telling. If the GOP doesn't lose seat after seat in Nov we are in real trouble. If they do then Congress has a chance to pass a federal law protecting human rights.

24th June 2022, 08:22 AM	#2020
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,429	Originally Posted by plague311 On the Susan Collins Scale of Concern I believe we've reached "mildly vexed" bordering on "heavily perturbed". How can you tell the difference?
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24th June 2022, 08:23 AM	#2021
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,762	I suggest that this thread be closed and a new thread opened. There is no more countdown. Roe v. Wade has been overturned. The forces of evil have had their way, and there is certainly worse to come.
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24th June 2022, 08:24 AM	#2022
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by shemp I suggest that this thread be closed and a new thread opened. There is no more countdown. Roe v. Wade has been overturned. The forces of evil have had their way, and there is certainly worse to come. At this point just start a "Conservative Trolls dance on America's Grave" thread and get it over with.

24th June 2022, 08:25 AM	#2023
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,709	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Nov will be telling. If the GOP doesn't lose seat after seat in Nov we are in real trouble. If they do then Congress has a chance to pass a federal law protecting human rights. They'd need to keep all of their Senate seats and pick up 10 more for it to pass through the entire legislature. I don't see that happening. I still don't see the Dems keeping the House. If something would cause a shift in that, this would be it though. I can't imagine a lot of independent standing women are going to be pleased by this outcome. A lot of the Republicans want this on paper, as well as the overturn of Obergefell, but not that they've been the law of the land I don't think people will react very well to those rights being taken away. So I hope you're right, I hope this causes a large increase in Dem victories, but at this moment I have little faith in my fellow Americans. Less than ever before.
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24th June 2022, 08:26 AM	#2024
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	The Dems can control the House, Senate, Presidency, all the Major Houses of Westeros, the East and West Coast Rappers, all 5 New York Crime Families and it won't matter if there's a 6-3 Conservative Court. They pass a Federal Law protecting abortion? SCOTUS will rule it Unconstitional.

24th June 2022, 08:27 AM	#2025
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,709	Originally Posted by slyjoe How can you tell the difference? It's pretty subtle, you have to really be paying attention. Here's a scale to help (I can't take credit). I've added a few levels not in the graph, but I'm granular like that.
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24th June 2022, 08:29 AM	#2026
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	I don't even have it in me to go back through this thread and call out all the trolls who were saying it was "dramatic" to think that Roe V Wade was going to be overturned.

24th June 2022, 08:30 AM	#2027
Dumb All Over A Little Ugly on the Side Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: They call it the Earth (which is a dumb kinda name) Posts: 6,840	I just voted 'Before 31 December 2022'. What do I win?
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24th June 2022, 08:38 AM	#2028
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,306	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Nov will be telling. If the GOP doesn't lose seat after seat in Nov we are in real trouble. If they do then Congress has a chance to pass a federal law protecting human rights. Some commentators are noting that this SC could easily find grounds to overturn such a law.

24th June 2022, 08:41 AM	#2029
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 64,842	Originally Posted by Bob001 Some commentators are noting that this SC could easily find grounds to overturn such a law. Which is why we need to have this stuff explicitly and clearly spelled out in the Constitution. So we're not stuck with the whims of interpretation for centuries.
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24th June 2022, 08:42 AM	#2030
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by Bob001 Some commentators are noting that this SC could easily find grounds to overturn such a law. Yeah or just do it and not even pretend they have a reason, either way. Assuming they don't jump straight to "Just install a Theocratic Dictator" and cut out all the extra steps they'll come after Birth Control next.

24th June 2022, 08:43 AM	#2031
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,709	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The Dems can control the House, Senate, Presidency, all the Major Houses of Westeros, the East and West Coast Rappers, all 5 New York Crime Families and it won't matter if there's a 6-3 Conservative Court. They pass a Federal Law protecting abortion? SCOTUS will rule it Unconstitional. Don't quote me on this, but I don't think they can. I don't know that SCOTUS has the power to overturn laws passed by the entirety of the legislature since they decide what is law.
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24th June 2022, 08:44 AM	#2032
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by plague311 Don't quote me on this, but I don't think they can. I don't know that SCOTUS has the power to overturn laws passed by the entirety of the legislature since they decide what is law. I didn't say one word about what SCOTUS has the power to do, just what they will do. Again we still have not gotten an answer to "Republicans have learned they can do whatever they want until someone stops them." Congress passes a federal abortion protection law. SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional. The Democrats screech "But you can't do that!" What's the next step?
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24th June 2022, 08:47 AM	#2033
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,287	Two points: 1: I always thought that the right to privacy was a very thin twig from which to support reproductive rights. Legally, that is. It seemed like a stretch - reproductive rights should to be a legal right unto its own - on par with other rights clearly spelled out in the Constitution. But the Dems never seemed to push that very hard. 2: The Dems were also naïve to pin their SC questions on the issue of "settled law". The law is settled until it becomes unsettled, it seemed clear that potential justices were using the term to cop out from clearly stating whether or not they would vote against reproductive rights. In that sense, they didn't really perjure themselves, because nobody could ever pin them down hard on whether or not they would vote to overturn Roe v Wade. "It is settled law" was just an excuse to avoid really answering the question, and the Dems let that slide. If a law is truly unconstitutional, then the SC can overturn it, "settled law" or not. The Dems knew that but pretended not to.

24th June 2022, 08:47 AM	#2034
plague311 Great minds think... Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North Dakota Posts: 13,709	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I didn't say one word about what SCOTUS has the power to do, just what they will do. Again we still have not gotten an answer to "Republicans have learned they can do whatever they want until someone stops them." Yes, I understand. It's all gloom and doom right now, but I'm saying I don't think there is a process to take a law passed through the entire legislature and have it debated in court. I don't think it's possible.
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