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Old 13th October 2018, 06:40 AM   #3201
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
I stand corrected. I don't remember that, perhaps because, as the Wikipedia article on him put it,

"His video rental history was unremarkable, and included such harmless titles as A Day at the Races, Ruthless People, and The Man Who Knew Too Much. "


The incident I remembered was this one, from the Wikipedia article on Clarence Thomas' nomination.


"According to Mayer and Abramson, soon after Thomas was sworn in, three reporters for The Washington Post "burst into the newsroom almost simultaneously with information confirming that Thomas' involvement with pornography far exceeded what the public had been led to believe."[63] These reporters had eyewitness testimony and video rental records showing Thomas' interest in and use of pornography.[64] However, according to Jeffrey Toobin, because Thomas was already sworn in by the time the video store evidence emerged, The Washington Post dropped the story."

There had been rumors of his video rental habits during the hearing, but the committee wouldn't entertain those rumors openly. (I won't vote for Biden in the primaries because he's too darned old, but I've voted for him in the past, and I really respected the way he handled the Thomas hearings.)
I also stand corrected, because I thought the porn videos pertained to Bork.

I don't share your opinion of how Biden handled the proceeding, but it's been too many years and my memory is sketchy.
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Old 13th October 2018, 07:22 AM   #3202
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Is it honest to be in denial? Collins cherry picked, I don't think that was honest.
That's what I mean - she tried to have it both ways, rather than just being honest and saying it didn't matter to her one way or the other.
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Old 13th October 2018, 12:09 PM   #3203
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
I also stand corrected, because I thought the porn videos pertained to Bork.

I don't share your opinion of how Biden handled the proceeding, but it's been too many years and my memory is sketchy.
They played a rerun of the hearing a couple weeks ago. I didn't watch all of it but I saw Biden's questioning. It was ineffective, a bunch of questions that didn't mean much or add any clarity on the issues.
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Old 18th October 2018, 02:18 AM   #3204
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From a few days ago:

Trump says that it doesn't matter whether or not Ford's story is true because "we won"
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Old 26th October 2018, 03:04 AM   #3205
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NEWS: Senate Judiciary Chairman Grassley has referred Kavanaugh accuser Julie Swetnick & lawyer Michael Avenatti to DOJ for criminal investigation over "potential conspiracy to provide materially false statements to Congress and obstruct a congressional committee investigation"
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Old 26th October 2018, 03:10 AM   #3206
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A woman Avenatti claims supported Swetnick's statements claims that she didn't say the things her sworn declaration attests to
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Old 26th October 2018, 03:27 AM   #3207
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Grab your popcorn and soda folks, this could get veeery interesting!

Grassley's move here could backfire on him big time, because by pursuing an investigation, he has opened the door for Swetnick and Avanatti reveal everything EVERYTHING they know about Kavanaugh without fear of being sued for defamation. In a deposition, a witness making a statement is allowed to speak freely and without fear of any repercussions. Such statements are protected by the Absolute Privilege Law, so even if a witness makes a statement that is untrue, that witness will be immune from lawsuit for defamation. These statements tend to become public knowledge, so the truth is likely to get out. Same applies at trial - testimony under oath is protected by Absolute Privilege

Perhaps Chucky hasn't really thought through the possible consequences.
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Old 3rd November 2018, 05:31 PM   #3208
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Now that we have Rapey McRapeface on the supreme court, any such legislation that is passed in the future is more likely to be found unconstitutional.

You should be happy about it. You got a rapist on the supreme court. You should be proud of the republican accomplishment.

"We still believe Julie Swetnick. Believe Survivors."

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Old 3rd November 2018, 06:09 PM   #3209
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After NBC News received text messages from the woman refuting some of the claims in the declaration, NBC reached out again to Avenatti, who defended the declaration.

"I have no idea what you are talking about," he said in a text. "I have a signed declaration that states otherwise together with multiple audio recordings where she stated exactly what is in the declaration. There were also multiple witnesses to our discussions."

He sent a follow-up message moments later: "I just confirmed with her yet again that everything in the declaration is true and correct," Avenatti said. "She must have been confused by your question."

Roughly five minutes later, the woman sent a formally-worded text backing Avenatti. "Please understand that everything in the declaration is true and you should not contact me anymore regarding this issue," the text read.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...anaugh-n924596

If Avenatti can produce the recordings and witnesses, that should clear up the matter. It sounds to me like Swetnick wants to distance herself now that Kav has been sworn in.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...anaugh-n924596

If Avenatti can produce the recordings and witnesses, that should clear up the matter. It sounds to me like Swetnick wants to distance herself now that Kav has been sworn in.
Literally the next line in the article that you did not quote:

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But when reached by phone minutes later, the woman again insisted that she never saw Kavanaugh spike punch or act inappropriately toward women. She said she's "been consistent in what she's told Michael."

In a subsequent text on Oct. 5, she wrote, "I will definitely talk to you again and no longer Avenatti. I do not like that he twisted my words."
That article is more than a week old, and Avenatti has not and will never release anything because he is a total scum bag.
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Avenatti has not and will never release anything because he is a total scum bag.

“We are aware of significant evidence of multiple house parties in the Washington, D.C., area during the early 1980s during which Brett Kavanaugh, Mark Judge and others would participate in the targeting of women with alcohol/drugs in order to allow a ‘train’ of men to subsequently gang rape them. There are multiple witnesses that will corroborate these facts and each of them must be called to testify publicly.”

-- Michael Avenatti (Sept 23, 2018)
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Lol, so how about that Wohl guy. Right?

How soon we forget. Very convenient.
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Old 3rd November 2018, 09:45 PM   #3213
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Lol, so how about that Wohl guy. Right?
How soon we forget. Very convenient.

False equivalency! The two stooges who pulled that absurd prank were never under oath. Maybe Mueller can charge them with libel. However, Avenatti, Swetnick, and several others submitted sworn statements to the Judiciary Committee during a confirmation hearing:
"On September 26, 2018, Mr. Avenatti submitted a sworn statement to the Committee purportedly written and signed by Ms. Swetnick, in which she accused Judge Kavanaugh of repeatedly drugging women and/or spiking their punch with alcohol in order to render them inebriated and disoriented so that groups of boys, including Judge Kavanaugh, could gang rape them.

"Specifically, she alleged in her sworn statement that she witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated so they could then be ‘gang raped’ in a side room or bedroom by a ‘train’ of numerous boys.”

-- Criminal referral submitted by Senator Grassley (Oct 25, 2018)
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Senate panel's report on FBI probe finds 'no evidence to back Kavanaugh accusers claims'

An investigation into sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh by multiple women found that no witnesses could provide evidence to substantiate their claims, a letter to Senate Republicans from the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman said Friday.

According to the 414-page report released by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, investigators interviewed more than 40 people, monitored social media and news reports and reviewed evidence provided by the judge and his accusers.

“Following the separate and extensive investigations by both the Committee and the FBI, there was no evidence to substantiate any of the claims of sexual assault made against Justice Kavanaugh,” the report states.

-- Fox News (Nov 4, 2018)

"The evidence appears to support the position that Julie Swetnick and Mr. Avenatti criminally conspired to make materially false statements to the Committee and obstruct the Committee’s investigation."

-- Report released by Senator Chuck Grassley (Nov 2, 2018)
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Grab your popcorn and soda folks, this could get veeery interesting!

Grassley's move here could backfire on him big time, because by pursuing an investigation, he has opened the door for Swetnick and Avanatti reveal everything EVERYTHING they know about Kavanaugh without fear of being sued for defamation. In a deposition, a witness making a statement is allowed to speak freely and without fear of any repercussions. Such statements are protected by the Absolute Privilege Law, so even if a witness makes a statement that is untrue, that witness will be immune from lawsuit for defamation. These statements tend to become public knowledge, so the truth is likely to get out. Same applies at trial - testimony under oath is protected by Absolute Privilege

Perhaps Chucky hasn't really thought through the possible consequences.
"Pursuing" an "investigation." So far everything I've heard about it has been from his office, which isn't exactly dripping with integrity these days.

I don't see how it could backfire. It's not like any new evidence will convince anyone. You'd need to impeach Kavanaugh, the Senate will never do that, and even if they found physical footage of him raping a woman the peanut gallery would just go "it was years ago, and if you listen through the muffled screams it sounds like she's enjoying it."

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"Pursuing" an "investigation." So far everything I've heard about it has been from his office, which isn't exactly dripping with integrity these days.

I don't see how it could backfire. It's not like any new evidence will convince anyone. You'd need to impeach Kavanaugh, the Senate will never do that, and even if they found physical footage of him raping a woman the peanut gallery would just go "it was years ago, and if you listen through the muffled screams it sounds like she's enjoying it."
Avenatti's statement is absolutely absurd, in fact, he should have already told Swetnick that he can't represent her in the criminal investigation, but he is an incompetent sleazebag with literally no experience in defending criminal actions. As Popehat has explained, Avenatti has already breached the cardinal rule of criminal investigations: shut the **** up.
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
"Pursuing" an "investigation." So far everything I've heard about it has been from his office, which isn't exactly dripping with integrity these days.

Geez, it's only been a little over a week.

Senator Grassley submitted the criminal referral to AG Jeff Sessions and FBI Director Christopher Wray on Oct 25th: [Here]
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Praise where praise is due:
Kavanaugh (so far) has consistently avoided going out of his way to support pro-Trump causes on the Supreme Court, through recusal or by voting along precedent lines.
I didn't expect that, and I hope he stays more committed to his job than to his party and backers.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Praise where praise is due:
Kavanaugh (so far) has consistently avoided going out of his way to support pro-Trump causes on the Supreme Court, through recusal or by voting along precedent lines.
I didn't expect that, and I hope he stays more committed to his job than to his party and backers.
Big on you for recognizing as much, and saying so here in the forum. I too hope he stays more committed to his job than to his party and backers.
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Praise where praise is due:
Kavanaugh (so far) has consistently avoided going out of his way to support pro-Trump causes on the Supreme Court, through recusal or by voting along precedent lines.
I didn't expect that, and I hope he stays more committed to his job than to his party and backers.

Flashback:
"Professionally, Kavanaugh is a right-wing Evangelical toady who never dissented from a straight Republican agenda. He is a quintessential yes-men."

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Flashback:
"Professionally, Kavanaugh is a right-wing Evangelical toady who never dissented from a straight Republican agenda. He is a quintessential yes-men."

-- The Great Zaganza (Sept 25, 2018)
So?
He has always been hyper-partisan in order to get on the Court.
Looks like he is not going to risk his position by being overtly partisan now.
Let's wait for the serious religion/state issues before making a final judgment.
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Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Flashback:
"Professionally, Kavanaugh is a right-wing Evangelical toady who never dissented from a straight Republican agenda. He is a quintessential yes-men."

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The Great Zaganza: "I admit I was wrong"
Slings and Arrows: "Ha! You were wrong!"

One of these two posters was mature and fair-minded, and the other offered up a huge self-own. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which was which.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
The Great Zaganza: "I admit I was wrong"
Slings and Arrows: "Ha! You were wrong!"

One of these two posters was mature and fair-minded, and the other offered up a huge self-own. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which was which.
I was about to post something similar. Instead I'll second this.
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The Great Zaganza: "I admit I was wrong"
Slings and Arrows: "Ha! You were wrong!"

One of these two posters was mature and fair-minded, and the other offered up a huge self-own. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which was which.
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Praise where praise is due:
Kavanaugh (so far) has consistently avoided going out of his way to support pro-Trump causes on the Supreme Court, through recusal or by voting along precedent lines.
I didn't expect that, and I hope he stays more committed to his job than to his party and backers.
Umm... what exactly are the decisions he has been involved in?

I did some research and the only thing I could find was Kavanaugh recusing himself from a case involving Net Neutrality, but since the Trump admin has already ended Net Neutrality, I'm not sure if it would have a major effect. Are there other cases?

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/05/66445...utrality-rules

Perhaps if we see Kavanaugh recuse himself (or vote along more moderate lines) in more contentious cases (like those involving political issues, women's rights or abortion) then we can start to accept that perhaps he may not be as bad as we feared.
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Seems that Ford has drunk deeply from the well that is go fund me despite borderline hysterical claims to the contrary.
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