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Old 22nd October 2019, 04:24 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Old British saying "the Wogs begin at Calais".
Attributed to the RSM of the Coldstream Guards embarking for WWI.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 09:46 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
It's Istanbul not Constantinople no you can't go back to Constantinople
Pffff, Byzantium please.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 02:57 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Pffff, Byzantium please.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...g-to-byzantium

That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees,
—Those dying generations—at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.
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Old 24th October 2019, 11:27 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by Major Major View Post
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...g-to-byzantium

That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees,
—Those dying generations—at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.
Ah, Yeats. Though not his best work IMO.
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Old 24th October 2019, 04:13 PM   #85
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Ah, Yeats. Though not his best work IMO.
That's the lying spin they teach in western schools.

The Turkish original was actually written by Gülyam Batalar Yütiz. The English translation lost quite a bit of the natural beauty of all things Turkish.
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Old 24th October 2019, 05:53 PM   #86
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One of my ancestors defeated Napoleon.
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One of my ancestors WAS Napoleon.

Probably. I mean, given the way exponential cosanguinuity works. He might have been.
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One of my ancestors was Pocahontas.

No, really. She was!

Of course, at 13 generations removed, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of others can make the same claim.
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Old 26th October 2019, 01:51 PM   #89
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White people may have originated in the Caucasus region. But that does not make them Turkmen or Turkish. Also the people in Turkmenistan and Turkey are not the same and both groups will tell you that even though they did start out that way.

People that build long lasting famous pyramids mentioned in the OP were not white.

I guess that in some cases the only good thing you can do with a history book is hit people over the head with them.
How do you know we’re not white? Let me ask google google say the answer is being debated in Facebook and that science doesn’t really care if Egyptians were white or not
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Old 27th October 2019, 03:10 AM   #90
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Actually the Turks are the result of a series of forbidden romances between Kurds and Greeks.

A couple of Armenians were probably in there somewhere, too.
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Where's Emre? It would be more fun insulting his heritage if he was here.
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:55 AM   #92
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Where's Emre? It would be more fun insulting his heritage if he was here.
How is it insulting to be said one's descended from Kurds, Greeks, and Armenians? Those are fine peoples with many accomplishments, and some of them are pretty sexy.
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Old 28th October 2019, 12:17 PM   #93
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Looks like we are all actually descended from Botswanans

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-Botswana.html0

EDIT: Yes, I know, its "The Flail", so I thought I had better post some more reputable links...

https://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-a9174396.html

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...botswana-maybe
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How is it insulting to be said one's descended from Kurds, Greeks, and Armenians? Those are fine peoples with many accomplishments, and some of them are pretty sexy.
Its not, unless you're a xenophobic Turk.
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How do you know we’re not white? Let me ask google google say the answer is being debated in Facebook and that science doesn’t really care if Egyptians were white or not
Their own artwork, books, science.
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I read a really old book on it once that seemed to have some secrets but forgot them. Imma go check amazon and see if they have a Zoroastrian bible. They used to be hard to get ahold of. They do not. I wonder if I still got my old one
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Old 29th October 2019, 03:37 AM   #97
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How is it insulting to be said one's descended from Kurds, Greeks, and Armenians? Those are fine peoples with many accomplishments, and some of them are pretty sexy.
My first posting after training in the Air Force was a little NATO base just outside of Diyarbakir Turkey. That would be in the eastern or the Kurdish part. I assure you that suggesting to a nationalist Turk that he is the product of Kurds and Greeks is insulting to their heritage.
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I read a really old book on it once that seemed to have some secrets but forgot them. Imma go check amazon and see if they have a Zoroastrian bible. They used to be hard to get ahold of. They do not. I wonder if I still got my old one
Probably because its not called the "Zoroastrian bible"
And Amazon has plenty of copies of Zoroastrian holy texts if you're truly interested.
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Probably because its not called the "Zoroastrian bible"
And Amazon has plenty of copies of Zoroastrian holy texts if you're truly interested.
Also the Zoroastrians were not known to be much of a presence in Egypt or Turkey. They were likely centered on what became Persia. Relations between Persia and their neighbors to the west were often not good.
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Also the Zoroastrians were not known to be much of a presence in Egypt or Turkey. They were likely centered on what became Persia. Relations between Persia and their neighbors to the west were often not good.
It had a presence in both Turkey and Egypt though. The Zoarastrian Sassanid empire controlled both at one point, briefly anyway.
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It had a presence in both Turkey and Egypt though. The Zoarastrian Sassanid empire controlled both at one point, briefly anyway.
At the time they would have been in Turkey they did not convert a whole lot of Turks. They mostly failed to take the city.


The Egyptians may have been under Sassanid control for a while but that did not make Egypt a Zoroastrian country any more than the Greeks made it a Greek country. That was also long into the common era and long after pyramids were done.
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I played in a game as the Egyptians sensing a coup I drafted a huge army and converted the country to Zoroastrian. I was ousted but after the civil war the country converted with a huge army of hardened troops that went on to hold and conquer much of the eastern Mediterranean might still be going
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You can never understand White history until you read it in the original Klingon.
All joking aside, Emre_1974tr is participating in a classic racist trope for justifying conquest and genocide. This is just a Turkish version of the "It's really OURS" claim so common among those who want to rape, murder and steal their way to power. For example, Hitler used a version of this excuse to justify conquering Austria and Poland.

In the end, I doubt Emre_1974tr cares if his claims are even true. They justify something he wants, so he accepts them without question. I'm reminded of some of the people I've known over the years who insisted that Jews make the Matzo for Passover Seders using the blood of murdered Christian children. They WANTED to believe it, so they believed it, regardless of the overt absurdity of the claims and the complete lack of any evidence to support it.
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All joking aside, Emre_1974tr is participating in a classic racist trope for justifying conquest and genocide. This is just a Turkish version of the "It's really OURS" claim so common among those who want to rape, murder and steal their way to power. For example, Hitler used a version of this excuse to justify conquering Austria and Poland.

In the end, I doubt Emre_1974tr cares if his claims are even true. They justify something he wants, so he accepts them without question. I'm reminded of some of the people I've known over the years who insisted that Jews make the Matzo for Passover Seders using the blood of murdered Christian children. They WANTED to believe it, so they believed it, regardless of the overt absurdity of the claims and the complete lack of any evidence to support it.
The matzo blood thing never made sense. As anyone who watches Bakeoff can tell you, adding something wet to dough completely alters the bake. I'm sure Satan appreciates human sacrifice but there's no way he'd accept soggy bottoms.
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The matzo blood thing never made sense. As anyone who watches Bakeoff can tell you, adding something wet to dough completely alters the bake. I'm sure Satan appreciates human sacrifice but there's no way he'd accept soggy bottoms.
Any baker would no to compensate by reducing the other liquid ingredients. I'd assume blood would be replace water at something like 2 to 1.

If the antisemites had ever had matza they'd know its way to bland to have blood in it. Seriously though, if you've even seen matzo you can tell there isn't any blood in it.

The blood libel thing is quite remarkable. Lots of folks have historically been accused by their enemies of human sacrifice and cannibalism, the Romans did it all the time, even though the gladiatorial games almost certainly were a form of human sacrifice originally. Like all things anti-semitic, its been remarkably persistent over the years, there are even pre-christian accusations of human sacrifice.
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Any baker would no to compensate by reducing the other liquid ingredients. I'd assume blood would be replace water at something like 2 to 1.

If the antisemites had ever had matza they'd know its way to bland to have blood in it. Seriously though, if you've even seen matzo you can tell there isn't any blood in it.

The blood libel thing is quite remarkable. Lots of folks have historically been accused by their enemies of human sacrifice and cannibalism, the Romans did it all the time, even though the gladiatorial games almost certainly were a form of human sacrifice originally. Like all things anti-semitic, its been remarkably persistent over the years, there are even pre-christian accusations of human sacrifice.
The Romans used accusations of human sacrifice, particularly of children, as slander to get public opinion against a given enemy. The Cathaginians, for instance. It is indeed ironic considering the Roman habit of executing minors for the crimes of their parents. ( I'm omitting a detail about that because it would ruin anyone's day to learn it if they didn't already know. ) For some peculiar reason the Romans were fine with murdering children so long as it wasn't for a religious sacrifice.
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This particular Emre_1974tr thread has reminded me of the "logic" in the first part of this image:

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I have no one to blame but myself.

I sent this link to the single most conservative person I know. My intention was to use the absurdity of these claims to segue into discussing his Flat Earth and Creationism beliefs. His reply?

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"We need to invade Turkey to take back the ancestral home of whites from the Muslims."


Emre_1974tr, I know what you were going for with this argument, but I suggest you back off from it. While you appear to think it justifies Turkish conquest, it can also be used to justify other countries invading Turkey to "reclaim" it.
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Turkey belongs to the Ionian Greeks!

Or let's revive the Hittites. They seemed fun.
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I have no one to blame but myself.

I sent this link to the single most conservative person I know. My intention was to use the absurdity of these claims to segue into discussing his Flat Earth and Creationism beliefs. His reply?


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Ask him what he was reading during the early 2000s.

Originally Posted by Ann Coulter
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity"
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I have no one to blame but myself.

I sent this link to the single most conservative person I know. My intention was to use the absurdity of these claims to segue into discussing his Flat Earth and Creationism beliefs. His reply?





Emre_1974tr, I know what you were going for with this argument, but I suggest you back off from it. While you appear to think it justifies Turkish conquest, it can also be used to justify other countries invading Turkey to "reclaim" it.

Hilarious!

The best part is, once you get into the spirit of the game, that conclusion does follow!

Emre, look what you've gone and done. The shaven headed nut jobs with swastikas tattoed on, they're on their way now to take back what's theirs.
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I have no one to blame but myself.

I sent this link to the single most conservative person I know. My intention was to use the absurdity of these claims to segue into discussing his Flat Earth and Creationism beliefs. His reply?



https://i.imgur.com/iWKad22b.jpg

Emre_1974tr, I know what you were going for with this argument, but I suggest you back off from it. While you appear to think it justifies Turkish conquest, it can also be used to justify other countries invading Turkey to "reclaim" it.
Anatolia has been invaded by lots of different people through the ages. Just what is now the UK. They also incorporated people from many places into the Ottoman empire. Janissary forces did not come from a garden. They were from Ottoman controlled parts of Europe.
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Anatolia has been invaded by lots of different people through the ages. Just what is now the UK. They also incorporated people from many places into the Ottoman empire. Janissary forces did not come from a garden. They were from Ottoman controlled parts of Europe.
Come to think of it, I think I can name more civilizations that have held territory in what is now Turkey than civilizations who haven't. Everybody from the Egyptians to the Mongols!
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The Turks existed in Anatolia and Europe thousands of years ago.

All western peoples, including the Greeks, are Turks.

A mixture of Turks and Chinese hybrid communities is only one branch of the Turkics.

But in reality the Turks are a purebred white race.

Hybrid societies come to your mind immediately. If you look at it, the Jews are the Caspian/Hazar Turks, a mixture of Turks and Indians.

All Western white societies are Turks from Asia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugDn2dDaxdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCsZhG-CpQ


https://owlcation.com/humanities/The...-Ancient-China

http://sumerianturks.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQiCVMKSZQ
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But in reality the Turks are a purebred white race.



Hybrid societies come to your mind immediately. If you look at it, the Jews are the Caspian/Hazar Turks, a mixture of Turks and Indians.

Have you considered posting on the David Icke forum? I think you’d be a very interesting addition to that site.
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Yep, Turks are a purebred white race.

Apart from those who are not.



ETA: I defy Emre to identify ANY Turks who are purebred anything. That area of the world is a veritable melting pot of cultures and ethnicities. And all the better for that.
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Old 14th November 2019, 10:48 PM   #117
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The Turks existed in Anatolia and Europe thousands of years ago.
"The Seljuk Turks defeated the Byzantine army in 1071 Manzikert Battle and opened up Anatolia for Turkish rule."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anatolia

Try harder next time or we will send Alexander and the Macedonians to conquer this area again. .
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Old 15th November 2019, 02:29 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
"The Seljuk Turks defeated the Byzantine army in 1071 Manzikert Battle and opened up Anatolia for Turkish rule."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anatolia
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Seljuk Turks ....

But other Turkish tribes came to Europe and Anatolia before.

All the white western peoples are Turks.
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Old 15th November 2019, 04:50 AM   #119
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Seljuk Turks ....



But other Turkish tribes came to Europe and Anatolia before.



All the white western peoples are Turks.

Well, the mutation that caused the crippling melanin deficiency that drove certain subgroups of humans out of sunnier climates had to originate somewhere. What’s your point? What are you trying to achieve by trying to claim a particular mutation originated in what is now modern day Turkey?
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What is the deal with modern Turkish insistence on believing themselves special? Most other nationalities have outgrown that, or at least base it on something other than mere ancestry. Inferiority complex?
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