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Old 30th June 2018, 06:43 AM   #561
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
The more I hear about this shooter's incessant threats and stalking, the more I wonder why it is people are so reluctant to address these guys before they shoot. There should have been a big red flag that went straight to the FBI and the local police when this guy bought that shotgun.

And there needs to be a way to make regular status checks on people like this.

But here again is another one that had all the warning signs and no one acted.

And by the way, if there's a guy harassing your workplace currently, get your bosses to do something to secure the building a little better. Every city building here requires one have a pass to get anywhere except to the front desk during business hours.
I agree 100%. I believe stalking should be taken far more seriously than it currently is. I would propose legally-defined degrees of stalking, to distinguish between the love-struck lonely 12-year old who doesn't know better to the 30-year old mass-shooter-in-training. Stalking that includes threats of violence, direct personal contact, incessant/obsessive behavior etc. should be considered a felony with multi-year prison sentences. And anyone convicted of such stalking belongs on a register, just like pedophiles, with all their neighbors, employers, etc. informed of that fact. They are a danger to their community and people should be warned that even the most casual interaction with them may put yourself at grave risk.
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Old 30th June 2018, 10:36 AM   #562
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
To call that 'denying one said something' is quite a stretch.

Of course she didn't.

Um, that. She's right.
Like many of these arguments, someone is trying for the "Post Hoc ergo Propter Hoc" fallacy, but they don't even get the timeline right.

It's also worth noting that these latest protests began with Kirstjen (or however it's spelled) and Steve Miller, both in far louder manners Than Sanders was. But actually, Betsy Devos has faced protests before as well - and many people refused to attend Civil Rights Museum openings when Dolt 45 showed up as well. So this isn't really something that just began happening a week or two ago.
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Old 30th June 2018, 10:54 AM   #563
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Then it looks like you've just removed yourself from the conversation:
Please accept this brief, but heartfelt, round of applause.
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Old 30th June 2018, 11:07 AM   #564
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
Maxine made no calls for violence at all. To say otherwise is an outright lie.
Or, more likely, projection.
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Old 30th June 2018, 11:36 AM   #565
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I'm actually kinda for the idea of going with the Founding Fathers original vision. It'd be interesting to see the reaction of a lot of the 2nd Amendment people when they realised that by owning a gun they were volunteering to not only become part of the US Military, but that in doing so they were going to be responsible for buying and maintaining all of the gear that they would use while deployed to whatever corner of the Earth the Government was sending them off to fight.

Think of the saving in taxpayer money, it'd be win win.
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Old 1st July 2018, 08:05 AM   #566
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
You have the wrong war. Germany wanted the Model 1897 banned during WW1, when Hitler was just a corporal and there was no Nazi party. It was of course, rather absurd to request shotguns be banned when poison gas was in use.
Under the prohibition of expanding ammunition uncoated lead buckshot were arguably illegal. Hence the copper washed pellets used in military ammunition in WW1.
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Old 1st July 2018, 08:09 AM   #567
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The Founding Fathers wrote into our Bill of Rights that we should have enough guns to fight off enemies as needed.
Rubbish. You should research your constitution some time.
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Old 1st July 2018, 04:50 PM   #568
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Under the prohibition of expanding ammunition uncoated lead buckshot were arguably illegal. Hence the copper washed pellets used in military ammunition in WW1.
A copper washed coating is very thin and does nothing to prevent expansion or deformation. It is used for its lubrication properties. You might be thinking of the thicker copper jackets used on other types of ammo. Even then some copper jacketed ammo is intended to expand such as hollow point and soft point.
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Old 1st July 2018, 05:35 PM   #569
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Rubbish. You should research your constitution some time.
You have to remember that some of those that yell about the 2nd Amendment are Red Dawn fetishists.
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Old 1st July 2018, 07:15 PM   #570
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
You have to remember that some of those that yell about the 2nd Amendment are Red Dawn fetishists.
Which is weird, because they love Putin.
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Old 2nd July 2018, 08:49 AM   #571
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
You have to remember that some of those that yell about the 2nd Amendment are Red Dawn fetishists.
I initially read that as Red Dwarf fetishists and had trouble seeing what the connection was.
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Under the prohibition of expanding ammunition uncoated lead buckshot were arguably illegal. Hence the copper washed pellets used in military ammunition in WW1.
So basic lead ball ammo was and is illegal?

Back on more of a topic, at least he had ties to other terrorists with his like of the alt right.

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exc...the-alt-right/

"When the identity of the apparent gunman in the massacre of five journalists in Annapolis, Maryland, was revealed, Jonathan Hutson, a communications consultant and writer who lives nearby, had a shock of recognition. The suspect, Jarrod Ramos, had contacted Hutson in March 2015, taunting him about his role in alerting law enforcement and thwarting a potential mass killer who threatened schoolchildren and Jews in far-away Montana."
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I initially read that as Red Dwarf fetishists and had trouble seeing what the connection was.
Now I see Lister shouting Wolverines!
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You have to remember that some of those that yell about the 2nd Amendment are Red Dawn fetishists.

They always forget about, or never knew about, incidents like George Washington personally leading 2nd Amendment-armed militias to deal with freedom-loving farmers who were rebelling by refusing to pay taxes and attacking tax collectors.
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They always forget about, or never knew about, incidents like George Washington personally leading 2nd Amendment-armed militias to deal with freedom-loving farmers who were rebelling by refusing to pay taxes and attacking tax collectors.
And they never seem to want to cut the army to a size our founders would accept.
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Since pretty much the entire USA agrees it would be best that gangs, criminals, violent people and the mentally deranged should not have guns, but cannot work together to stop such easy access, does arguing about calibres and types of gun have a point to it?
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Members of the well regulated militia shoot at each other in a car park and only one survives

"Man fatally shot during argument fired first shot, killing bystander.

Authorities with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office identified the shooter Monday as Jorge Vega-Rosado, 26, of Orange City, and said he was acting in self-defense when he killed Brown. Deputies said Brown first pulled a gun on Vega-Rosado and fired a shot, missing Vega-Rosado and hitting Strada, an innocent bystander at a nearby restaurant."

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Members of the well regulated militia shoot at each other in a car park and only one survives
And of course it's in Florida.
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Another example of people using the tools at hand to solve their problems. Fatally.
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The innocent bystander has died.
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Tragic. Shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
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Innocent bystanders should be armed, then they would be safe........
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4 killed 26 shot in Chicago over the weekend.

http://abc7chicago.com/amp/4-killed-...tings/3732441/
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Innocent bystanders should be armed, then they would be safe........
Yeah, because a good innocent bystander with a gun will always stop a bad innocent bystander with a gun!
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Seven shot at a park Saturday night.

48 shell casings found

Car used was carjacked and the woman had beg the shooters to let her take her kid out of the back of the car.

Just another Saturday Night mass casualty event in Chicago.
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The heaviest amount of violence took place between midnight and 3 a.m., when 30 people were shot. Five mass shootings, in which three or more people were shot, accounted for 25 of the shooting victims during the three-hour span.

A single shooting in the Gresham neighborhood wounded eight people, including four teenage girls.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/in...oger-hospital/
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That article claims five dead. CNN claims twelve dead.

I almost never agree with anything you post - but if you are suggesting that liberals and gun control proponents have a blind spot when it concerns the murder of black people by other black people, you are not wholly wrong.

There has been a trend by some sources to not include gang violence in with mass shooting numbers. Vox had an article on that after the shooting at the New Jersey Arts Festival a while back (note that one of the larger gun control groups, Moms Demand Action, had a booth at that event with members present during the shooting).

The Trenton, New Jersey, mass shooting isn’t getting much national attention. It should.

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In some cases, analysts, like Mother Jones, exclude gang-related events from their counts of mass shootings because they’re trying to capture what Americans traditionally think of as a mass shooting.
That was addressed earlier in this thread around post #412.

This current round of violence in Chicago is at least getting nationwide above-the-fold type coverage, if not actual headlines. I am seeing statements from Everytown and Brady Campaign about it as well, so it is not completely under the radar of these groups.

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This is what a mass shooting sounds like

https://twitter.com/SPOTNEWSonIG/sta...75794283008000

that times five was this weekend in Chicago.
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This is what a mass shooting sounds like

https://twitter.com/SPOTNEWSonIG/sta...75794283008000

that times five was this weekend in Chicago.
That sucks.
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Potential mass shooting stopped in Florida.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/06...+Latest+-+Text)

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An armed bystander shot a man who opened fire at a Florida park filled with over 100 people -- including children -- for a Saturday back-to-school cookout, officials said.

The Titusville Police Department said in a news release the man was involved in a fistfight with another person at the Issac Campbell Park and left around 5:20 p.m. -- only to return with a gun minutes later and start shooting.

A bystander, who was lawfully licensed to carry a firearm, then shot the gunman.
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Potential mass shooting stopped in Florida.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/06...+Latest+-+Text)
Thank god for guns. If that man didnt have a gun he wouldnt be able to shoot that other guy.
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Potential mass shooting stopped in Florida.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/06...+Latest+-+Text)
Also what about the evidence presented indicated that a mass shooting was prevented? Guy A loses a fistfight with guy B. guy A leaves, gets a gun, comes back and starts shooting. It would seem the shooter wants to shoot the guy who won the fight. Nothing indicates he was targeting others especially the fact he fired of several shots and no one else was even injured.
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Such is the desperation to justify having a gun, critical examination of a shooting goes out the window and anyone armed who shoots another who is armed, is lauded for potentially preventing a mass shooting.

Mass shootings are in fact rare. More common is a shooting directed at a person, where by-standers get shot and that includes police shooting by-standers.

More guns, more ammo, means more shots fired and a higher chance of by-standers being hit.
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Such is the desperation to justify having a gun, critical examination of a shooting goes out the window and anyone armed who shoots another who is armed, is lauded for potentially preventing a mass shooting.

Mass shootings are in fact rare. More common is a shooting directed at a person, where by-standers get shot and that includes police shooting by-standers.

More guns, more ammo, means more shots fired and a higher chance of by-standers being hit.
Too true. With better gun regulation, there would not be a need for a "good guy with a gun" to shoot a "potential mass shooter", as the potential would not be there.
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Too true. With better gun regulation, there would not be a need for a "good guy with a gun" to shoot a "potential mass shooter", as the potential would not be there.
With better regulation, the instance of a bad guy with a gun would be very low indeed, negating the desire to have lots of good guys with guns.

But, since the USA cannot regulate guns (for the foreseeable future anyway) as the present system is so out of control and ad hoc, the best tactic is a coping strategy.
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What a mass shooting sounds like, part 2

https://twitter.com/SPOTNEWSonIG/sta...44708802822144

In Chicago, mass shootings are not rare, people only think they are because they don't get reported as mass shootings
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Mass shooting. Spree shooting. Gang gun fights. The police shooting suspects.

All usually involve a lot of ammunition and the more ammo fired, the more chances of death and serious injury.
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Old 26th August 2018, 12:11 PM   #600
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Today's mass shooting comes from Jacksonville, Florida, where somebody just shot up a video game tournament that was being live-streamed. Early reports indicate four people killed, eleven others wounded.
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