'Imminent' reservoir wall collapse threatens polluted flood of Tampa Bay

Gord_in_Toronto · 4th April 2021, 09:46 AM

This does not sound good.

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/imminent-r...160713976.html

Quote:

(Reuters) - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Sunday headed for the site of a defunct phosphate plant south of Tampa, where a leak at a waste water reservoir forced the evacuation of hundreds of homes and threatened to flood the area and Tampa Bay with polluted water.

Worsening of a week-old leak in the containment wall of the 480 million-gallon Piney Point waste water reservoir prompted DeSantis to declare a state of emergency over concerns over the possible collapse of stacks of phosphogypsum waste, primarily from fertilizer manufacturing, at the plant.

I wonder how many abandoned tailings ponds there are around the world just waiting to flood the landscape? And the cost of "fixing" the problem?

shemp · 4th April 2021, 11:59 AM

And in most cases the taxpayers will pay for it rather than the culprits.

Norman Alexander · 4th April 2021, 01:22 PM

How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats?

ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.

Gord_in_Toronto · 4th April 2021, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats?

ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.

And that's OK because, as I have determined from further reading, it's not very acidic or too radioactive.

Quote:

Manatee County Administrator Scott Hopes added that the flooding from a collapse could cause significant and dangerous floods in the form of a 20-foot wave of water. Both DeSantis and Hopes pointed the finger at HRK Holdings, the group responsible for the site, for the failure that has been a potential issue for decades.

“This could have been fixed two decades ago,” Hopes said.

Hlafordlaes · 4th April 2021, 02:29 PM

Did I miss when perfect markets priced the clean-up costs into the equation?

RecoveringYuppy · 4th April 2021, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats?

ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.

Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.

The Man · 4th April 2021, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.

Sure, nutrients for the soon to be coming algal bloom^WP.

ETA: Oh wait I for got about the radioactivity!!! So make that a soon to be coming atomic mutant algal bloom.

I think that's how these buggers got their start.

https://youtu.be/lIqMdhQRyJc?t=2069

RecoveringYuppy · 4th April 2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Man

Sure, nutrients for the soon to be coming algal bloom^WP.

Which would be why I said diluted.

Gord_in_Toronto · 4th April 2021, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.

I suppose so. But how about a 20-foot high wave of water?

RecoveringYuppy · 4th April 2021, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

I suppose so. But how about a 20-foot high wave of water?

What about it? That's what they're trying to avoid by draining.

Gord_in_Toronto · 4th April 2021, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

What about it? That's what they're trying to avoid by draining.

Not, "What about it?" but "how about it?" They may be trying to avoid but that may not work.

Roboramma · 4th April 2021, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Not, "What about it?" but "how about it?" They may be trying to avoid but that may not work.

RY was responding the the idea that pumping it in to the ocean is a problem. But that's exactly how they're trying to avoid the 20 foot wave.

I don't think he's saying the situation itself is a good one. Only that pumping it into the ocean may not be a bad idea.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th April 2021, 07:16 AM

What Roborama said.

catsmate · 5th April 2021, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.

Eutrophication.

Gord_in_Toronto · 5th April 2021, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

What Roborama said.

Sorry. I guess I was confusing the issue of pollution with collapse damage.

Gord_in_Toronto · 5th April 2021, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Sorry. I guess I was confusing the issue of pollution with collapse damage.

That too.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th April 2021, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Eutrophication.

Yes, that would be the name for what I inferred might be going on in the reservoir.

a_unique_person · 7th April 2021, 02:08 PM

You don't have to wait for this one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_dam_disaster

It's collapsed already.

Gord_in_Toronto · 7th April 2021, 06:00 PM

The latest news seems to be that the pumping is succeeding. Panic over for now.

Lukraak_Sisser · 7th April 2021, 09:56 PM

I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?

erwinl · 8th April 2021, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?

Should be for the majority of the costs.
Whether they are liable for the entire cost is depending whether the controlling authority has done its job over the years.
Considering the remark 'this could have been fixed two decades ago', I guess the controlling authority was not exactly pounding on the front door in order to do an inspection.

Modified · 8th April 2021, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?

The companies that actually used the site are long gone. They and various others that have owned it over the years, including the state of Florida, have all dumped toxic stuff into the bay either intentionally or by expected accident. The company that currently owns it will most likely declare bankruptcy, as they did after they could not pay for a big spill in 2011.

Gord_in_Toronto · 8th April 2021, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Modified

The companies that actually used the site are long gone. They and various others that have owned it over the years, including the state of Florida, have all dumped toxic stuff into the bay either intentionally or by expected accident. The company that currently owns it will most likely declare bankruptcy, as they did after they could not pay for a big spill in 2011.

Oh, you ~~cynic~~ realist you.

4th April 2021, 09:46 AM	#1
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	'Imminent' reservoir wall collapse threatens polluted flood of Tampa Bay This does not sound good. https://ph.news.yahoo.com/imminent-r...160713976.html Quote: (Reuters) - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Sunday headed for the site of a defunct phosphate plant south of Tampa, where a leak at a waste water reservoir forced the evacuation of hundreds of homes and threatened to flood the area and Tampa Bay with polluted water. Worsening of a week-old leak in the containment wall of the 480 million-gallon Piney Point waste water reservoir prompted DeSantis to declare a state of emergency over concerns over the possible collapse of stacks of phosphogypsum waste, primarily from fertilizer manufacturing, at the plant. I wonder how many abandoned tailings ponds there are around the world just waiting to flood the landscape? And the cost of "fixing" the problem?
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4th April 2021, 11:59 AM	#2
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4th April 2021, 01:22 PM	#3
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 9,156	How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats? ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.
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4th April 2021, 01:35 PM	#4
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats? ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome. And that's OK because, as I have determined from further reading, it's not very acidic or too radioactive. Quote: Manatee County Administrator Scott Hopes added that the flooding from a collapse could cause significant and dangerous floods in the form of a 20-foot wave of water. Both DeSantis and Hopes pointed the finger at HRK Holdings, the group responsible for the site, for the failure that has been a potential issue for decades. “This could have been fixed two decades ago,” Hopes said.
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4th April 2021, 02:29 PM	#5
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4th April 2021, 02:38 PM	#6
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,986	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats? ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome. Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.

4th April 2021, 03:06 PM	#7
The Man Unbanned zombie poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 15,268	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine. Sure, nutrients for the soon to be coming algal bloom^WP. ETA: Oh wait I for got about the radioactivity!!! So make that a soon to be coming atomic mutant algal bloom. I think that's how these buggers got their start. https://youtu.be/lIqMdhQRyJc?t=2069
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4th April 2021, 03:11 PM	#8
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,986	Originally Posted by The Man Sure, nutrients for the soon to be coming algal bloom^WP. Which would be why I said diluted.

4th April 2021, 05:25 PM	#9
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine. I suppose so. But how about a 20-foot high wave of water?
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4th April 2021, 05:46 PM	#10
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,986	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto I suppose so. But how about a 20-foot high wave of water? What about it? That's what they're trying to avoid by draining.

4th April 2021, 09:55 PM	#11
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy What about it? That's what they're trying to avoid by draining. Not, "What about it?" but "how about it?" They may be trying to avoid but that may not work.
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4th April 2021, 10:41 PM	#12
Roboramma Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shanghai Posts: 14,468	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Not, "What about it?" but "how about it?" They may be trying to avoid but that may not work. RY was responding the the idea that pumping it in to the ocean is a problem. But that's exactly how they're trying to avoid the 20 foot wave. I don't think he's saying the situation itself is a good one. Only that pumping it into the ocean may not be a bad idea.
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5th April 2021, 07:16 AM	#13
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,986	What Roborama said.

5th April 2021, 10:39 AM	#14
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 24,321	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine. Eutrophication.
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5th April 2021, 10:42 AM	#15
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy What Roborama said. Sorry. I guess I was confusing the issue of pollution with collapse damage.
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5th April 2021, 10:43 AM	#16
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto Sorry. I guess I was confusing the issue of pollution with collapse damage. That too.
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5th April 2021, 10:47 AM	#17
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,986	Originally Posted by catsmate Eutrophication. Yes, that would be the name for what I inferred might be going on in the reservoir.

7th April 2021, 02:08 PM	#18
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7th April 2021, 06:00 PM	#19
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	The latest news seems to be that the pumping is succeeding. Panic over for now.
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7th April 2021, 09:56 PM	#20
Lukraak_Sisser Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,996	I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?

8th April 2021, 03:15 AM	#21
erwinl Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,774	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem? Should be for the majority of the costs. Whether they are liable for the entire cost is depending whether the controlling authority has done its job over the years. Considering the remark 'this could have been fixed two decades ago', I guess the controlling authority was not exactly pounding on the front door in order to do an inspection.
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8th April 2021, 07:46 AM	#22
Modified Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,928	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem? The companies that actually used the site are long gone. They and various others that have owned it over the years, including the state of Florida, have all dumped toxic stuff into the bay either intentionally or by expected accident. The company that currently owns it will most likely declare bankruptcy, as they did after they could not pay for a big spill in 2011.
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8th April 2021, 08:46 AM	#23
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,586	Originally Posted by Modified The companies that actually used the site are long gone. They and various others that have owned it over the years, including the state of Florida, have all dumped toxic stuff into the bay either intentionally or by expected accident. The company that currently owns it will most likely declare bankruptcy, as they did after they could not pay for a big spill in 2011. Oh, you ~~cynic~~ realist you.
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