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Old 4th April 2021, 09:46 AM   #1
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'Imminent' reservoir wall collapse threatens polluted flood of Tampa Bay

This does not sound good.

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/imminent-r...160713976.html

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(Reuters) - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Sunday headed for the site of a defunct phosphate plant south of Tampa, where a leak at a waste water reservoir forced the evacuation of hundreds of homes and threatened to flood the area and Tampa Bay with polluted water.

Worsening of a week-old leak in the containment wall of the 480 million-gallon Piney Point waste water reservoir prompted DeSantis to declare a state of emergency over concerns over the possible collapse of stacks of phosphogypsum waste, primarily from fertilizer manufacturing, at the plant.
I wonder how many abandoned tailings ponds there are around the world just waiting to flood the landscape? And the cost of "fixing" the problem?
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Old 4th April 2021, 11:59 AM   #2
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And in most cases the taxpayers will pay for it rather than the culprits.
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How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats?

ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.
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Old 4th April 2021, 01:35 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats?

ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.
And that's OK because, as I have determined from further reading, it's not very acidic or too radioactive.

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Manatee County Administrator Scott Hopes added that the flooding from a collapse could cause significant and dangerous floods in the form of a 20-foot wave of water. Both DeSantis and Hopes pointed the finger at HRK Holdings, the group responsible for the site, for the failure that has been a potential issue for decades.

“This could have been fixed two decades ago,” Hopes said.
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Old 4th April 2021, 02:29 PM   #5
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Did I miss when perfect markets priced the clean-up costs into the equation?
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Old 4th April 2021, 02:38 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
How long before DeSantis declares this problem to be caused by the evil Dumbocrats?

ETA: They are trying to solve the problem by pumping the toxic **** into the ocean. Awesome.
Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.
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Old 4th April 2021, 03:06 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.
Sure, nutrients for the soon to be coming algal bloomWP.


ETA: Oh wait I for got about the radioactivity!!! So make that a soon to be coming atomic mutant algal bloom.

I think that's how these buggers got their start.

https://youtu.be/lIqMdhQRyJc?t=2069
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Old 4th April 2021, 03:11 PM   #8
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Sure, nutrients for the soon to be coming algal bloomWP.
Which would be why I said diluted.
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Old 4th April 2021, 05:25 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.
I suppose so. But how about a 20-foot high wave of water?
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Old 4th April 2021, 05:46 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
I suppose so. But how about a 20-foot high wave of water?
What about it? That's what they're trying to avoid by draining.
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Old 4th April 2021, 09:55 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
What about it? That's what they're trying to avoid by draining.
Not, "What about it?" but "how about it?" They may be trying to avoid but that may not work.
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Not, "What about it?" but "how about it?" They may be trying to avoid but that may not work.
RY was responding the the idea that pumping it in to the ocean is a problem. But that's exactly how they're trying to avoid the 20 foot wave.

I don't think he's saying the situation itself is a good one. Only that pumping it into the ocean may not be a bad idea.
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Old 5th April 2021, 07:16 AM   #13
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What Roborama said.
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Based on the statement "We can take care of nutrients in the environment ... The bay is resilient." It might be the case that the "pollutants" are just concentrated nutrients. If that is the case then diluting them in the ocean would be fine.
Eutrophication.
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Old 5th April 2021, 10:42 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
What Roborama said.
Sorry. I guess I was confusing the issue of pollution with collapse damage.
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Sorry. I guess I was confusing the issue of pollution with collapse damage.
That too.
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Eutrophication.
Yes, that would be the name for what I inferred might be going on in the reservoir.
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You don't have to wait for this one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_dam_disaster

It's collapsed already.
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The latest news seems to be that the pumping is succeeding. Panic over for now.
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I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?
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I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?
Should be for the majority of the costs.
Whether they are liable for the entire cost is depending whether the controlling authority has done its job over the years.
Considering the remark 'this could have been fixed two decades ago', I guess the controlling authority was not exactly pounding on the front door in order to do an inspection.
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I presume the costs are being handled by the company that caused the problem?

The companies that actually used the site are long gone. They and various others that have owned it over the years, including the state of Florida, have all dumped toxic stuff into the bay either intentionally or by expected accident. The company that currently owns it will most likely declare bankruptcy, as they did after they could not pay for a big spill in 2011.
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Originally Posted by Modified View Post
The companies that actually used the site are long gone. They and various others that have owned it over the years, including the state of Florida, have all dumped toxic stuff into the bay either intentionally or by expected accident. The company that currently owns it will most likely declare bankruptcy, as they did after they could not pay for a big spill in 2011.
Oh, you cynic realist you.
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