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Old 12th April 2021, 02:46 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
As an aside, whilst Astra-Zenica may make no money out of the vaccine for covid, its Pulmicort turbohaler (and implicitly Symbicort) is the first drug shown to improve out of hospital mild covid. Significantly shortening illness and need for hospital admission. It may explain the paradox that asthmatics seemed relatively mildly affected by covid. I think AZ are about to make a load of money from their old asthma inhaler.

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I think Symbicort is a great asthma med; certainly my first choice for young asthmatics.
Slight quibble.
Both Pulmicort & Symbicort are brand names, the active drugs are Budesonide and Budesonide\Formoterol respectively
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Old 12th April 2021, 03:37 PM   #162
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I won't touch grape seed extract. I knew someone that took it, and the next day they DIED!

Grape Seed Extract = DEATH.
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Old 12th April 2021, 04:48 PM   #163
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Old 12th April 2021, 05:00 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
You've chosen to stay stuck with pharma at 60, at that age is when I chose to get out after an ER trip due to their drug.

And plenty have gotten improvement with their asthma issues with Grape Seed Extract, yeah another bull*** as some will post.

Hoping to find a new good group so you won't hear from me again.
I inject insulin several times a day, is that pharma?
If so, what do you suggest as a better alternative?
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Old 12th April 2021, 05:08 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
I inject insulin several times a day, is that pharma?
If so, what do you suggest as a better alternative?
Yes, it's pharma, my suggestion don't get diabetes to begin with. Keep yourself healthy. Insulin is not the worst, if you need it you need it.

I've thought so much about my parent's lives they lived into early 90's, ate everything, dad drank all his life, but no diabetes.....

Polka, do you have ideas how they escaped it.
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Old 12th April 2021, 05:23 PM   #166
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Yes, it's pharma, my suggestion don't get diabetes to begin with. Keep yourself healthy. Insulin is not the worst, if you need it you need it.

I've thought so much about my parent's lives they lived into early 90's, ate everything, dad drank all his life, but no diabetes.....

Polka, do you have ideas how they escaped it.
Research is your friend.

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Type 1 diabetes

Doctors don’t know exactly what causes type 1 diabetes. For some reason, the immune system mistakenly attacks and destroys insulin-producing beta cells in the pancreas.

Genes may play a role in some people. It’s also possible that a virus sets off the immune system attack.

Type 2 diabetes

Type 2 diabetes stems from a combination of genetics and lifestyle factors. Being overweight or obese increases your risk too. Carrying extra weight, especially in your belly, makes your cells more resistant to the effects of insulin on your blood sugar.

This condition runs in families. Family members share genes that make them more likely to get type 2 diabetes and to be overweight.
https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes#causes

The answer is obvious: To prevent diabetes, pick yourself different parents.
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Old 12th April 2021, 05:30 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
I am glad to see you will no longer be peddling grape Seed extract, since now I have shown that it KILLS.
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Old 12th April 2021, 05:32 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
Yes, it's pharma, my suggestion don't get diabetes to begin with. Keep yourself healthy. Insulin is not the worst, if you need it you need it.

I've thought so much about my parent's lives they lived into early 90's, ate everything, dad drank all his life, but no diabetes.....

Polka, do you have ideas how they escaped it.
I'm type 1 diabetic which has nothing to do with lifestyle, it's more of an autoimmune condition.
Are you thinking of type 2? That seems to be more of a lifestyle thing, in which case maybe your parents weren't susceptible to it, I don't know.
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U.S. hits record number of COVID-19 vaccinations.

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Over the weekend US practitioners administered a record number of COVID-19 vaccines, with more than 4 million shots distributed on Apr 10.

The daily average number of vaccines given is now over 3 million, as the country races to vaccinate adults within the next 6 weeks.
Thanks big pharma!
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Old 12th April 2021, 06:14 PM   #170
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Yeah, I'm happier and thankful for the 1000's more flooding accross our border and causing MORE Covid Virus and more and more stress on America.

Are you happy too?
Do you have any unbiased evidence for this statement or is the more GQP scare mongering?
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Old 12th April 2021, 06:17 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
I am glad to see you will no longer be peddling grape Seed extract, since now I have shown that it KILLS.
No way, I would have been dead 25 yrs ago.


Grape Seed Extract and Insulin Resistance

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01889368

Here is one issue Grape Seed Extract kills.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0the%20extract.


And I know those with Type I are often born with it...and yes I know Type II can be genetic.
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Old 12th April 2021, 06:18 PM   #172
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No I'd like to find a group(s) that have interests in all healing aspects. I am on other other groups but many are very slow, and one is also very closed minded like here, but I like their Game section, so I stay there.
You are mistaking close minded for skeptical. Provide scientific (e.g. peer reviewed double blind tests) evidence instead of crap from unproven web sites and you may change some minds. That's what skepticism is.
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Old 12th April 2021, 06:23 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
No way, I would have been dead 25 yrs ago.


Grape Seed Extract and Insulin Resistance

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01889368

Here is one issue Grape Seed Extract kills.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0the%20extract.


And I know those with Type I are often born with it...and yes I know Type II can be genetic.
Grape Seed Extract kills people. I know someone who took it, and DIED. To advocate Grape Seed Extract, is to advocate for death.
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You are mistaking close minded for skeptical. Provide scientific (e.g. peer reviewed double blind tests) evidence instead of crap from unproven web sites and you may change some minds. That's what skepticism is.
If they don't want to believe my life story and my scientific info I post that is there LOSS.... I'm not a researcher, don't have scientific info published by me, just what I've been doing with Grape Seed Extract for 25 yrs.

And YES mega closed minds....closed minds abound but overflowing here.
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Yes, it's pharma, my suggestion don't get diabetes to begin with.
What an incredibly insulting thing to say to people who have type 1 diabetes.

Maybe for your next trick you could go to St Jude's and tell a bunch of kids that they shouldn't have got leukemia.
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Originally Posted by Caroline13 View Post
No way, I would have been dead 25 yrs ago.


Grape Seed Extract and Insulin Resistance

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01889368

Here is one issue Grape Seed Extract kills.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0the%20extract.


And I know those with Type I are often born with it...and yes I know Type II can be genetic.
But even at the risk of appearing woefully ignorant, you just couldn't resist a snarky answer, could you?
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If they don't want to believe my life story...
Given the internal contradictions of said story, we'd be foolish to accept it without question. You should also learn to be skeptical of anecdotal stories you read on the internet.


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You have yet to post anything scientific. You don't even know what science is.
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And I know those with Type I are often born with it...and yes I know Type II can be genetic.
Then why did you write it in the first place?

You clearly didn't know until it was pointed out to you.
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If they don't want to believe my life story . . .
It's not a question of want . . .
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And I know those with Type I are often born with it...and yes I know Type II can be genetic.
...you do know these are the same thing, right? Or is DNA still confusing to you.
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Grape Seed Extract and Insulin Resistance

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01889368.
That looks like an interesting and worthwhile study, it's a shame the results were never reported. I wonder why not?

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Here is one issue Grape Seed Extract kills.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0the%20extract.
This one is interesting, though I agree with the researchers own comment "This is very promising research, but it is too early to say this is chemo-protective."

Well done, much better sources than you usually quote, the second of which supports the webmd article I found and posted for you in another thread which suggested this particular herbal supplement may indeed have genuine benefits for people with certain conditions.

None of this, of course, supports your claim that you'd be dead if you hadn't taken it. You'd need to be able to point to a parallel universe in which you never took it and died to support that statement.
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Grape Seed Extract and Insulin Resistance

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01889368
That is a very small scale TRIAL, not any results or conclusions or anything approaching a finished, published paper, which you could have linked to , if it exists.

Anyone might think you couldn't tell the difference...

Have you not spotted that many of us do actually read the links you post? And that you can't get away with trying to bluff us out or mislead us?

And you wonder why you are regarded as mendacious...
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It's not grape seeds, it's grapes. Crush 'em, I say. Crush 'em into a big fluid mess. Then just leave 'em. That'll learn 'em. (This was a commercial from Big Whine.)

Many years ago, Big Farmer organised it so that I was hit on the head by a cricket ball. They did this so that they could get my GP to prescribe me generic anti-convulsants at no charge to myself. Such is their demonic evilness.
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It's not grape seeds, it's grapes. Crush 'em, I say. Crush 'em into a big fluid mess. Then just leave 'em. That'll learn 'em. (This was a commercial from Big Whine.)

Many years ago, Big Farmer organised it so that I was hit on the head by a cricket ball. They did this so that they could get my GP to prescribe me generic anti-convulsants at no charge to myself. Such is their demonic evilness.
The crushed pulverized seeds are in the Extract product.
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The crushed pulverized seeds are in the Extract product.
...which is sold to gullible rubes as a "food supplement", thereby increasing the profits of Big Wine and Big Vinegar.
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I like the capitalized spelling Grape Seed Extract like anyone religious does God. It somehow deserves great respect?

Lower case 'god' is disrespectful and results in getting spanked.
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A good summary of the research on grape seed extract here:

https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/grape-seed-extract

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Some studies suggest that grape seed extract might help with symptoms of chronic venous insufficiency and with eye stress from glare, but the evidence isn’t strong.

Conflicting results have come from studies on grape seed extract’s effect on blood pressure. It’s possible that grape seed extract might help to slightly lower blood pressure in healthy people and those with high blood pressure, particularly in people who are obese or have metabolic syndrome. But people with high blood pressure should not take high doses of grape seed extract with vitamin C because the combination might worsen blood pressure.

A 2019 review of 15 studies involving 825 participants suggested that grape seed extract might help lower levels of LDL cholesterol, total cholesterol, triglycerides, and the inflammatory marker C-reactive protein. The individual studies, however, were small in size, which could affect the interpretation of the results.
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Here is a fascinating Smithsonian magazine article about that:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ugh-180975505/
Indeed, an odd story and odder consequences.
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SOmeone called this GOP scaremongering.. Sad to say, you see a lot of this idiocy on the left as well from the "New Age" types.
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SOmeone called this GOP scaremongering.. Sad to say, you see a lot of this idiocy on the left as well from the "New Age" types.
Absolutely. From eastern beliefs and crystals to alt healing techniques. It's apolitical.
But it was Nancy that brought an astrologer to the White House (figuratively).
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...which is sold to gullible rubes as a "food supplement", thereby increasing the profits of Big Wine and Big Vinegar.
And Big Raisin.
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And Big Raisin.
Yeah! Them bastages!
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Big Brandy is the strongest of all these lobbyists.
Those are the ones really have a influence to deal with.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
SOmeone called this GOP scaremongering.. Sad to say, you see a lot of this idiocy on the left as well from the "New Age" types.
Are there any new agers in Congress? Does PETA raise millions of dollars based on their foolish notions? Can you raise a crowd to attack the capital based on some ethereal cosmic realignment?

I call false equivalence.
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