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Old 10th August 2019, 10:52 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Or the guards didn't pay enough attention because he looked and acted "like he wasn't about to kill himself". It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

On other hand, how often is it that a high profile prisoner is assassinated inside of a federal prison while awaiting trial? Any examples?
This review of lawsuits of jail suicides found


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— Many inmates weren't checked regularly – usually every 15-30 minutes – because of staffing shortages or inadequate training.
The idea that he was supposed to be watched and wasn't may not be notable.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ls/1486534001/
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Old 10th August 2019, 10:54 AM   #362
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"I was stunned by Epstein's suicide, though probably not as much as Epstein himself."

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/s...04761045463040
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Old 10th August 2019, 10:55 AM   #363
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No matter what your political worldview is, we can all agree: "They" killed Epstein.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:00 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
"A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably…Russian,” wrote Joe Scarborough



Is there anything Russians can't do?

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Old 10th August 2019, 11:07 AM   #365
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If Epstein's suicide wasn't his idea then the hard part (as always) will be making sure an inquest affirms that it was .
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:31 AM   #366
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
And just like that, my social media feeds have gone full on "the Clintonista mafia" conspiracy mode.
So, it appears, have some in this thread. We've been infiltrated over the last while by several Alex Jones types.

As for your social media feeds, who the heck are you following? Mine have stayed mercifully skeptical with only a few exceptions.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:34 AM   #367
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Forget "Suicide Watch" if you've got the central figure in THE biggest and far reaching criminal case / political scandal waiting in the wings going on right now isn't keeping an eye on the dude, even without the specific reason of a suicide watch, like a good idea?

This wasn't some dude sitting in gen-pop waiting to post bail for writing bad checks.
Says who?

You think your average prison guard cared who Epstein was, or felt obligated to pay specially close attention to his safety because of how "big" his case was? LOL, no. Just another pedophile, they see a few coming through every month.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:36 AM   #368
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It's a pretty damning indictment of the US prison system that someone who was put on suicide watch in July was found dead before mid August.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:39 AM   #369
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Says who?

You think your average prison guard cared who Epstein was, or felt obligated to pay specially close attention to his safety because of how "big" his case was? LOL, no. Just another pedophile, they see a few coming through every month.
Not your average guard, but perhaps the higher-ups or management. People who have what they might term a "career"? They would know eyes were on them and it would look especially bad if a high profile prisoner killed themselves. They would be the ones to oversee that how suicide watch was implemented.

I'm not saying that simple negligence isn't a possible cause here. Just that there are some reasons to think it less likely.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:41 AM   #370
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
I'm not saying that simple negligence isn't a possible cause here. Just that there are some reasons to think it less likely.
Ummm....less likely than what, exactly?

Simple negligence is the null hypothesis here.
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Old 10th August 2019, 11:43 AM   #371
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
It's a pretty damning indictment of the US prison system that someone who was put on suicide watch in July was found dead before mid August.
According to NBC he was not on suicide watch.
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According to TMZ:

Law enforcement sources familiar with the matter tell TMZ ... Epstein was taken off suicide watch after he met with medical professionals who evaluated him after his first alleged suicide attempt. We're told Epstein was found to be well enough to be sent back to his cell in the Special Housing Unit without extra eyes on him. So, Epstein was briefly on suicide watch, but at some point between July 23 and today ... he was removed.
https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/10/jeffr...-suicide-jail/


So - blame the psychiatrists. Once again they got it wrong.

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Old 10th August 2019, 11:52 AM   #373
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
How convenient.
That was my first thought.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke, though.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Ummm....less likely than what, exactly?

Simple negligence is the null hypothesis here.
Alternate hypotheses include.

Willful negligence (A guard or administrator decided that it wasn't worth working particularly hard to stop Epstein from killing himself and knowingly allowed an opportunity to happen due to an attitude ranging from apanthy to animosity)

Orchestrated opportunity (Someone wanted Epstein to have an opportunity to kill himself and purposefully created that opportunity by leaving something in his cell that shouldn't be there, leaving him unwatched, failing to intervene if they saw him starting to kill himself or any of a number of actions or deliberate inactions. Another example of this might be removing him from suicide watch if it was not appropriate to do so. In this case the instigator could be a guard, an administrator or some shadowy individual)

Outright assasination (self explanatory)

I agree that simple incompetence is more or less the null hypotheses. A strong motivation for those in charge to pay special attention to this case makes that explanation less compelling.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
It's pretty rubbish if you put someone in his situation on suicide watch on July 25th and by August 10th, he's not watched.
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It seems that there is also a possibility that he fell into the percent of suicide victims where it is part of their plan. Some people out there are sent for psych evaluations, where suicide is always brought up. And, the victim knows what to say to reduce their risk. Knowing, they will then not be on watch. Giving them the opportunity.
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It seems that there is also a possibility that he fell into the percent of suicide victims where it is part of their plan. Some people out there are sent for psych evaluations, where suicide is always brought up. And, the victim knows what to say to reduce their risk. Knowing, they will then not be on watch. Giving them the opportunity.
Maybe, just maybe, this should be accounted for.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Maybe, just maybe, this should be accounted for.
You can't, really. Suicidal ideation is something that has to be reported; doctors aren't just going to arbitrarily assume it on somebody's part.

The July incident which everyone is referring to as a previous suicide attempt, was allegedly claimed by Epstein to be an attack by a fellow inmate who beat him up for being an accused pedophile. If that was his story from the beginning and he stuck to it, it makes sense that he wouldn't have been kept on suicide watch.
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If there was ever a conspiracy theory that had some merit and plausibility, this is it. That being that someone at a high level, with a lot of (possibly mob) influence, called the hit on this guy.
He tried earlier and failed. It's useful to look closely at that incident.

New Epstein Mystery: Suicide Attempt, Failed Hit, Or Hoax?

At a minimum, it does suggest the suicide watch was incompetent.
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Can anyone come up with any other example of a "failed hit" in prison? I can't cite anything to support it, but I don't think "failed hits" that only leave a small bruise on the "intended victim" is something that actually happens. If someone is supposed to get murdered in prison they get murdered.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
You can't, really. Suicidal ideation is something that has to be reported; doctors aren't just going to arbitrarily assume it on somebody's part.

The July incident which everyone is referring to as a previous suicide attempt, was allegedly claimed by Epstein to be an attack by a fellow inmate who beat him up for being an accused pedophile. If that was his story from the beginning and he stuck to it, it makes sense that he wouldn't have been kept on suicide watch.
Then does anyone bear responsibility for determining if the inmate is lying or not?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then does anyone bear responsibility for determining if the inmate is lying or not?
Lying about a medical symptom that can only be reported by themselves? No. How can anyone but the liar bear responsibility for that? You propose that psychiatrists should be permitted to decide on a whim, with absolutely no supporting evidence, that someone is suicidal enough to justify suicide watch.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
So, it appears, have some in this thread. We've been infiltrated over the last while by several Alex Jones types.



As for your social media feeds, who the heck are you following? Mine have stayed mercifully skeptical with only a few exceptions.
Well, most of my left leaning friends' comments were along the lines of "good riddance/we won't miss you." Some express incredulity over the suicide part while mentioning only that he had a lot of people who would want him silenced.

It's just that the right-leaning ones overwhelmingly went this same direction and with certitude.

Quite similar to the way one expects pundits to operate.
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
... aaaaaaand just like that, all the filthy rich pigs are free and clear.
Not according to some legal analysis I read today. Obviously, there's a lot of evidence (documents, tapes, recordings, you name it) taken from his house that's tied up in the legal case against him, and which admissibility could have been challenged by HIM in a trial against HIM.

Now that he's dead, and with him the case against him, these pieces of evidence are free to use against other persons, with no legal process to suppress their admissibility.

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Epstein's death may have been a suicide, but the killer of this thread's skepticism is still at large.
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So, we have little idea about how common assassinations are.

We do have evidence that jailers are incredibly incompetent, cruel, and insulated from consequences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ls/1486534001/

And then maybe a headline to capture the zeitgeist


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Sheriff’s deputies laughed at and filmed Army veteran as he died in a jail cell
https://www.armytimes.com/news/2018/...n-a-jail-cell/

And two of the three kept their jobs.
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Well that saved some money.

All good
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The president of the United States is suggesting the Clintons may have been involved in Epstein's death. Liberals are already howling that Trump has behaved irresponsibly. Such hypocrisy. Have they already forgotten what Obama said after the Benghazi attacks?
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The president of the United States is suggesting the Clintons may have been involved in Epstein's death. Liberals are already howling that Trump has behaved irresponsibly. Such hypocrisy. Have they already forgotten what Obama said after the Benghazi attacks?
Both Clinton and Trump were both "chums" with him so nothing would surprise me.
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The president of the United States is suggesting the Clintons may have been involved in Epstein's death. Liberals are already howling that Trump has behaved irresponsibly. Such hypocrisy. Have they already forgotten what Obama said after the Benghazi attacks?
And the Bowling Green massacre?
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Rats! I guess we never will get the dirt on what many billionaires, famous people, and two presidents were doing on his sex plane and sex island, where he hired prostitutes as young as 14.

Golly!
Three. I’m thinking JFK killed him.
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So I guess we can chalk another one up

Was Jesus shagging Mary Magdalene
Who killed Kennedy and Munroe
Did man really land on the moon
How sinister are chemtrails
Was 9/11 a govt attack on itself
Which ex prez/prez killed this kiddy fiddler


And to a lesser degree, why does it need a pair of sizzors to cut open the plastic sealed packaging for a new pair of sizzors
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
So I guess we can chalk another one up

Was Jesus shagging Mary Magdalene
Who killed Kennedy and Munroe
Did man really land on the moon
How sinister are chemtrails
Was 9/11 a govt attack on itself
Which ex prez/prez killed this kiddy fiddler


And to a lesser degree, why does it need a pair of sizzors to cut open the plastic sealed packaging for a new pair of sizzors
The most immediately striking question is why on earth do you misspell "scissors" in that way? Unless it's a heavy metal band, in which case the spelling would be acceptable.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
The most immediately striking question is why on earth do you misspell "scissors" in that way? Unless it's a heavy metal band, in which case the spelling would be acceptable.
My user name has "Embarrasingly illiterate" for a reason



But thanks for highlighting my issues with reading and writing. It all helps
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Epstein took the easy way out.
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Can anyone come up with any other example of a "failed hit" in prison? I can't cite anything to support it, but I don't think "failed hits" that only leave a small bruise on the "intended victim" is something that actually happens. If someone is supposed to get murdered in prison they get murdered.

How do you go from him claiming he was beat up to that?
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Here's a short twitter thread from attorney Ken White (aka Popehat) explaining the very basic misconception that would lead someone to believe it just had to be murder.
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I'm finding it increasingly difficult to have a civil discussion about this guy and his supposed political connections on social media.
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Epstein was a wealthy socialite with 1000s of friends.

Idiots: "Oh **** here's a picture of Epstein with _______!!"
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Three. I’m thinking JFK killed him.

He's certainly been laying low. That in itself is suspicious.
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