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Old 9th August 2019, 07:04 PM   #1
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Europe wants modern-day Star of David labels on all Israel products

https://freebeacon.com/national-secu...made-products/

The European Union is poised to mandate that Israeli products made in contested territories carry consumer warning labels, a decision that could trigger American anti-boycott laws and open up what legal experts describe as a "Pandora's box" of litigation, according to multiple sources
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Title seems a bit off, since Israel also has non-contested national territory.
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Not "all" Israeli products.
Just those from areas that were liberated from Syrian and Jordanian occupations.

The point of distribution is Ben Gurion International outside of Tel Aviv. (Or, ships that leave from Haifa or Ashdod ports). Using that as a reference, these are coming from Israel.
As are many things produced by Palestinians, both in Gaza and W.B. ---- they pass through the hands of Israeli brokers and exporters.
There is no such thing as a State of Palestine, except in the fertile imaginations of many.
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Old 9th August 2019, 07:55 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Title seems a bit off, since Israel also has non-contested national territory.
Well, to nit pick, it IS contested by Palestinians.
They claim it's ALL theirs, and Jews should GTFO.
Some have even suggested that Israeli Jews "go back to Europe"
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Old 9th August 2019, 09:30 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
Well, to nit pick, it IS contested by Palestinians.
They claim it's ALL theirs, and Jews should GTFO.
Some have even suggested that Israeli Jews "go back to Europe"
I highly doubt the EU is going to go by the Palestinian definition.

And by that I mean I know they're not.

So what's the point in supplying us with this little bit of trivia?
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Europe wants modern-day Star of David labels the flag of Israel on all Israel products

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FTFY!
More to the point, the cited article clearly states:

"The Advocate General of the European Court of Justice recently issued non-binding opinion arguing that EU law requires Israeli-made products to be labelled as coming from "settlements" and "Israeli colonies." "

So that'll be words, not symbols or flags. More to the point, I thought country of origin labelling was mandatory in many countries, so clarifying that goods from "Israel" are actually from Israeli-occupied areas that are not part of Israel is hardly earth-shattering.
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Europe wants modern-day Star of David labels on all Israel products
How unexpected, applecorped's overblown claim is a lie.
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It could be construed to mean "Buy this, it's made by Palestinians" ? That is, if there are enough Pro-Palestine people in Europe?
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It could be construed to mean "Buy this, it's made by Palestinians" ? That is, if there are enough Pro-Palestine people in Europe?
We've got various knickknacks in our house that just say "Made in Palestine", a few I think that say "Made in West Bank". I assume those are made by actual Palestinian people, not by Israelis living in Settlements within the West Bank. Christmas decorations made from carved olive wood. My wife and mother in law buy them in Germany, they make nice conversation pieces along with the dishes that say "Made in Germany, British Zone".

That makes me think that this is targeted at things made by Israelis living in the settlements.

It almost sounds as if there would be three potential labels:

Palestinian
Israeli (made by Israelis within the pre-1967 boundaries)
Israeli colonies and settlements - just what it sounds, Israeli occupied parts of West Bank and Golan.


ETA: And these would just be the regular national origin labels all products get, just like the "Made in China" or "Hecho in Mexico" labels we Americans see on so many of our products. The regulation seems more along the lines of requiring products made in Taiwan to be labeled as coming from Taiwan instead of saying "Made in China, ROC" as used to be seen. It is just a recognition that the EU does not recognize the settlements as being a permanent part of Israel.

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Old 10th August 2019, 07:41 AM   #13
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Not "all" Israeli products.
Just those from areas that were liberated from Syrian and Jordanian occupations.
EU: But those were moral occupations, on account of not being Jewish!
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I love how the narrative is always right wing anti semitism, but the policy, every single time, is left wing anti semitism
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Being a left-wing USA atheist Jew, I see that there is a crucial distinction between anti-semitism and anti-israeli I have no problem opposing many of the political policies of the current Israeli government without hating myself or my family, and I can fully understand the idea that the occupied territories are not to be simply considered as legitimate parts of Israel. This distinction between a government and a people seems fairly simple to me, yet unfortunately much of the anti-Israeli rhetoric I hear on both the left and the right is deeply intermingled with classic antisemitic memes. This frightens me in terms of my own safety and that of my children. Of course this has not been helped by efforts by the Israeli government itself, and some of its supporters in the USA, to confuse the issue by calling on Jews to reflexively support Israel as somehow a part of their own identity. Some buy into it but many (I hope most) do not. Screw that! I am an American first and always, not a secondary Israeli. In fact I have even less cultural connection to Israel than to Eastern Europe and Russia, from which my grandparents originated, or to Florida which hass some nice bagel shops and delis.
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Wait wait wait. You are making it too complicated. We can't have that, can we.
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Old 11th August 2019, 03:44 AM   #17
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Being a left-wing USA atheist Jew, I see that there is a crucial distinction between anti-semitism and anti-israeli I have no problem opposing many of the political policies of the current Israeli government without hating myself or my family, and I can fully understand the idea that the occupied territories are not to be simply considered as legitimate parts of Israel. This distinction between a government and a people seems fairly simple to me, yet unfortunately much of the anti-Israeli rhetoric I hear on both the left and the right is deeply intermingled with classic antisemitic memes. This frightens me in terms of my own safety and that of my children. Of course this has not been helped by efforts by the Israeli government itself, and some of its supporters in the USA, to confuse the issue by calling on Jews to reflexively support Israel as somehow a part of their own identity. Some buy into it but many (I hope most) do not. Screw that! I am an American first and always, not a secondary Israeli. In fact I have even less cultural connection to Israel than to Eastern Europe and Russia, from which my grandparents originated, or to Florida which hass some nice bagel shops and delis.

Well you have to remember in the Middle East, as is mentioned in the 'Kosher Tax' episode of the Conspiracy Skeptic podcast (Linked below), the governments there never made a distinction between Israeli Jews and Jews, they simply blamed it on 'The Jew'.


http://www.gokorea.info/cp/cpunplugged14.mp3



I've also finished watching the first episode of the second season of the British, series 'History Cold Case' entitled 'The Bodies in the Well' and it shows exactly where things like this can end up.
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I love how the narrative is always right wing anti semitism, but the policy, every single time, is left wing anti semitism
There is no antisemitism here at all. Try again
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I love how the narrative is always right wing anti semitism, but the policy, every single time, is left wing anti semitism
Except for the lack of anti-Semitism...
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There is no antisemitism here at all. Try again

Really? From Labourís own report:

ďThe evidence is clear enough. The worst cases of antisemitism in our party have included Holocaust denial, crude Jewish-banker stereotypes, conspiracy theories blaming Israel for 9/11 or every war on the Rothschild family, and even one member who appeared to believe that Hitler had been misunderstood.Ē

http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uplo...tisemitism.pdf


Itís rather disgusting, not just to see the racism but to see it denied.
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Really? From Labourís own report:



ďThe evidence is clear enough. The worst cases of antisemitism in our party have included Holocaust denial, crude Jewish-banker stereotypes, conspiracy theories blaming Israel for 9/11 or every war on the Rothschild family, and even one member who appeared to believe that Hitler had been misunderstood.Ē



http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uplo...tisemitism.pdf





Itís rather disgusting, not just to see the racism but to see it denied.
The Labour party isn't posting in this thread...
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Really? From Labourís own report:

ďThe evidence is clear enough. The worst cases of antisemitism in our party have included Holocaust denial, crude Jewish-banker stereotypes, conspiracy theories blaming Israel for 9/11 or every war on the Rothschild family, and even one member who appeared to believe that Hitler had been misunderstood.Ē

http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uplo...tisemitism.pdf


Itís rather disgusting, not just to see the racism but to see it denied.
What the hell are you on about? this thread is not about the Labour Party.
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Well, to nit pick, it IS contested by Palestinians.
They claim it's ALL theirs, and Jews should GTFO.
Some have even suggested that Israeli Jews "go back to Europe"
yeah... Send Them Back, Send Them Back....

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Being a left-wing USA atheist Jew, I see that there is a crucial distinction between anti-semitism and anti-israeli I have no problem opposing many of the political policies of the current Israeli government without hating myself or my family, and I can fully understand the idea that the occupied territories are not to be simply considered as legitimate parts of Israel. This distinction between a government and a people seems fairly simple to me, yet unfortunately much of the anti-Israeli rhetoric I hear on both the left and the right is deeply intermingled with classic antisemitic memes. This frightens me in terms of my own safety and that of my children. Of course this has not been helped by efforts by the Israeli government itself, and some of its supporters in the USA, to confuse the issue by calling on Jews to reflexively support Israel as somehow a part of their own identity. Some buy into it but many (I hope most) do not. Screw that! I am an American first and always, not a secondary Israeli. In fact I have even less cultural connection to Israel than to Eastern Europe and Russia, from which my grandparents originated, or to Florida which hass some nice bagel shops and delis.
THIS! It needs to screamed from the highest rooftops until certain people listen. Criticising Israel is NOT anti-Semitism any more than criticising the Vatican is anti-catholic. Those "certain people" are mostly unscrupulous Israeli politicians and Jewish clerics who attempt to conflate the two for political and religious reasons....

Israel has some horrible policies and a terrible human rights record when it comes the dealing with its neighbours.... and these deserve to be roundly criticised!
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https://freebeacon.com/national-secu...made-products/

The European Union is poised to mandate that Israeli products made in contested territories carry consumer warning labels, a decision that could trigger American anti-boycott laws and open up what legal experts describe as a "Pandora's box" of litigation, according to multiple sources
It will be easier when they give up the lie of a two state solution, then it is all just Israeli.
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Except for the lack of anti-Semitism...
But any criticism of any Isreali policy is fundamentally anti-Semitic. So there are tons of anti semitic isreali jews because they object to their nations policies.
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The international working definition if anti-semitism specifically specificall states
" criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."
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The international working definition if anti-semitism specifically specificall states
" criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."
I believe you, but I'd still like a cite anyway.
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I am an American first and always, not a secondary Israeli.

Benjamin Netanyahu is "your Prime Minister". You must have missed the memo.
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I believe you, but I'd still like a cite anyway.

Of course. https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/node/196


Discussion and more links on wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workin...f_Antisemitism
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What the hell are you on about? this thread is not about the Labour Party.
Pipelineaudio said there was left wing antisemitism and you said there was none. I posted a link showing you, a U.K. poster, that the main left wing party in the U.K. was in fact anti Semitic.

Seems pretty obvious. But maybe some folks just donít want to hear.
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Pipelineaudio said there was left wing antisemitism and you said there was none. I posted a link showing you, a U.K. poster, that the main left wing party in the U.K. was in fact anti Semitic.

Seems pretty obvious. But maybe some folks just donít want to hear.
Yep antisemitism is one of those things that crops up in all kinds of nutters.
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Pipelineaudio said there was left wing antisemitism and you said there was none. I posted a link showing you, a U.K. poster, that the main left wing party in the U.K. was in fact anti Semitic.



Seems pretty obvious. But maybe some folks just donít want to hear.
Oh some crafty word play there! Well done.
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Oh some crafty word play there! Well done.
The word play consistes mainly of ignoring the meaning of the word "here".

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Pipelineaudio said there was left wing antisemitism and you said there was none. I posted a link showing you, a U.K. poster, that the main left wing party in the U.K. was in fact anti Semitic.

Seems pretty obvious. But maybe some folks just donít want to hear.
Not even close to what happened.
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THIS! It needs to screamed from the highest rooftops until certain people listen. Criticising Israel is NOT anti-Semitism any more than criticising the Vatican is anti-catholic. Those "certain people" are mostly unscrupulous Israeli politicians and Jewish clerics who attempt to conflate the two for political and religious reasons....

Israel has some horrible policies and a terrible human rights record when it comes the dealing with its neighbours.... and these deserve to be roundly criticised!
You can say that about every freaking country in the Mideast...but the left loves to single out Isreal. Not that Israel policies do not deserve criticism ..they often do...but I don't like Double standards.


Still want to know what happens to the Six plus million Jews living in Israel when the "Zionist Enitty" is eliminated...something the Left always try to dodge.
I could point out that the hard line anti Zionism prevailent here just helps Bibi whom I despise... to say in power and undermines his opponents. but I doubt that will do any good.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
You can say that about every freaking country in the Mideast...but the left loves to single out Isreal. Not that Israel policies do not deserve criticism ..they often do...but I don't like Double standards.


Still want to know what happens to the Six plus million Jews living in Israel when the "Zionist Enitty" is eliminated...something the Left always try to dodge.
I could point out that the hard line anti Zionism prevailent here just helps Bibi whom I despise... to say in power and undermines his opponents. but I doubt that will do any good.
At least can we stop pretending that there is any kind of occupied territory and just admit that isreal conquered it and then things like this wouldn't be a problem. They are really no better than any other country in the region and shouldn't expect them to be so.
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Old 12th August 2019, 10:40 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
but I don't like Double standards.
Then you probably should Google 'US foreign aid to Israel' and wait for your mind to be blown.
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More to the point, the cited article clearly states:

"The Advocate General of the European Court of Justice recently issued non-binding opinion arguing that EU law requires Israeli-made products to be labelled as coming from "settlements" and "Israeli colonies." "

So that'll be words, not symbols or flags. More to the point, I thought country of origin labelling was mandatory in many countries, so clarifying that goods from "Israel" are actually from Israeli-occupied areas that are not part of Israel is hardly earth-shattering.
Country of origin labeling is required in the US. Has been since 1960, IIRC.
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That title is totally not poisoning the well.
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