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Old 26th October 2020, 11:26 AM   #2121
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Old 26th October 2020, 11:46 AM   #2122
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One would assume that the thread topic of 'Craziest **** You Can Imagine' would be immune to off topic postings unless they were reasonable, but ok.
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Old 26th October 2020, 02:23 PM   #2123
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
I assume everyone knows about this breaking story......

...and yes, that's Giuliani on the bed getting ready for action in a hotel room.......and not his wife.
That scene was filmed in July 2020. Giuliani was divorced December 2019. He didn't have a wife at the time.
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Old 26th October 2020, 02:32 PM   #2124
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post
He is a convicted felon. No bluster will change that. Would you like the public records?

What really torpedoes your claims is the nature of that conviction. Which you don't know.

You are googling now, aren't you.
O'Keefe is currently suing the FBI to get off the background check list stating he is not a convicted felon. He is not a convicted felon.


The FBI removed him from the list of convicted felons: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...dment-n2574394

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Old 26th October 2020, 02:36 PM   #2125
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
That scene was filmed in July 2020. Giuliani was divorced December 2019. He didn't have a wife at the time.
Yeah, but he really should. Or at least a paid caregiver. Because that scene shows he has a hard break with reality. If he thought he was laying his Rico Suave on that tight little package by laying back and shoving his hand down his pants, he should be locked up as a threat to himself and others.
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Old 26th October 2020, 02:44 PM   #2126
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Yeah, but he really should. Or at least a paid caregiver. Because that scene shows he has a hard break with reality. If he thought he was laying his Rico Suave on that tight little package by laying back and shoving his hand down his pants, he should be locked up as a threat to himself and others.
But how edited was that scene? My understanding of this style of comedy is to edit the hell out of what you've captured.
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Old 26th October 2020, 02:49 PM   #2127
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Originally Posted by Leftus View Post
But how edited was that scene? My understanding of this style of comedy is to edit the hell out of what you've captured.
True, but in toto, I don't know what Cohen could have edited short of photoshopping to misrepresent that image.
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Old 26th October 2020, 02:51 PM   #2128
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Dude...he's not praying to Donald Trump. He's imploring on a feed to the audience, saying if Trump can hear him (on the feed) to help him, presumably by speaking up and getting an order to the cops.
What you've just described is a prayer.

"Donald Trump, if you can hear us..." at a moment when that is a physical impossibility, is asking for something supernatural to happen. It's asking for the message to somehow "get" to Trump, while knowing that Trump doesn't sit around watching Facebook livestreams.
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Old 26th October 2020, 03:03 PM   #2129
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
What you've just described is a prayer.

"Donald Trump, if you can hear us..." at a moment when that is a physical impossibility, is asking for something supernatural to happen. It's asking for the message to somehow "get" to Trump, while knowing that Trump doesn't sit around watching Facebook livestreams.
I felt like it was directed at a dejected Rudi Giuliani, scrolling through whacked out conspiracy feeds while pondering his inexplicable lack of mojo, who has the President on speed dial and would have advised Trump to speak up as a PR move.

Quite an assortment of mixed nuts here, tho, so I guess a desperate plea for the intercession of St Donald shouldn't be off the table on rational grounds.
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Old 27th October 2020, 01:54 AM   #2130
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What is the topic of the thread, anyway?
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Old 27th October 2020, 03:24 AM   #2131
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
What is the topic of the thread, anyway?
You were just about to tell us the chain of custody and what is claimed to Hunter Biden's laptop.
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Old 27th October 2020, 04:54 AM   #2132
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
I've asked before, but, hey, I'm an optimist, so let's try again in the hope that Bubba will actually answer this time:

Has QAnon named any alleged victims of these alleged paedophiles?

Have any victims come forward themselves?

Have any parents of victims come forward?

Have you uncovered any names of alleged victims yourself?

Have you engaged a lawyer, or contacted any law enforcement agencies, to present your evidence of these alleged crimes?

Have you, in fact, done anything at all about these horrors you believe in?

Has QAnon done anything about them either?
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What is the topic of the thread, anyway?
This stuff.
You know, all those hard questions you keep avoiding.
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Old 27th October 2020, 07:17 AM   #2133
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How to Talk to Friends and Family Who Share Conspiracy Theories

A worthy read for those with an interest in helping CTists see the light, and CTists who would like to understand their delusionary bubble.
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Old 27th October 2020, 08:31 AM   #2134
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How to Talk to Friends and Family Who Share Conspiracy Theories

A worthy read for those with an interest in helping CTists see the light, and CTists who would like to understand their delusionary bubble.
What a condescending ******* that author is. "Do you know how google works?"

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But your beliefs are nothing. None of this nonsense about satanist pedophiles secretly running the government and selling children in pizzerias is real. However, your beliefs have crept into real politics. When the new Congress begins there will law makers infecting our legislative bodies with your beliefs and that's a problem.

If you find the article condescending, it's not the problem of the author.
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What a condescending ******* that author is. "Do you know how google works?"

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Old 27th October 2020, 02:36 PM   #2137
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I'll put this here ,saw it on facebook. On the surface looks like "Doctors for 9/11 truth" kind of thing. Dont have a link to anything other than the pos(which has a youtube link obvs. so I'm c&p.

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“From October 1-4, 2020, the American Institute for Economic Research had a remarkable meeting of top epidemiologists, economists, and journalists, to discuss the global emergency created by the unprecedented use of state compulsion in the management of the Covid-19 pandemic. The result is The Great Barrington Declaration, which urges a “Focused Protection” strategy.”
“Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume.”
Signed by:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Professor, Medicine, Harvard Medical School
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Professor, Medicine, Stanford University
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Professor, Theoretical Epidemiology, University of Oxford
The co-signers include
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, PhD. associate professor of biostatistics at Baylor University and the Director of the Baylor Statistical Consulting Center. He is a Colonel in the US Army (retired) whose research includes a focus on infectious disease spread and diagnosis.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, MD, PhD. Founder and Director, The Susanne Levy Gertner Oncogenetics Unit, The Danek Gertner Institute of Human Genetics, Chaim Sheba Medical Center and Professor of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine and Depertment of Human Genetics and Biochemistry, Tel-Aviv University
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, MD, MPH a physician with the VA health system with expertise in epidemiology, health equity practice, and health impact assessment of public policy. He formerly served as a Deputy Health Officer for San Francisco for 18 years.
Dr. Michael Levitt, PhD is a biophysicist and a professor of structural biology at Stanford University. Prof. Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, MD professor (emeritus) of public health at the University of Arizona, a physician, epidemiologist, with expertise in causal and statistical inference.
Dr. David Katz, MD, MPH, President, True Health Initiative and the Founder and Former Director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, PhD., professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science at Stanford University Medical School, a biostatistician and data scientist
Dr. Simon Thornley, PhD is an epidemiologist at the University of Auckland, New Zealand. He has experience in biostatistics and epidemiological analysis, and has applied these to a range of areas including communicable and non-communicable diseases.
Dr. Michael Jackson, PhD is an ecologist and research fellow at the University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Prof. Udi Qimron, Chair, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University
Prof. Ariel Munitz, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University
Prof. Motti Gerlic, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University
Dr. Uri Gavish, an expert in algorithm analysis and a biomedical consultant
Prof. Ellen Townsend, Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, UK
Dr. Paul McKeigue, professor of epidemiology in the University of Edinburgh and public health physician, with expertise in statistical modelling of disease
Dr. Mario Recker, Associate Professor in Applied Mathematics at the Centre for Mathematics and the Environment, University of Exeter
Prof. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge
Prof. Stephen Bremner, Professor of Medical Statistics, Brighton and Sussex Medical School, University of Sussex
Prof. Matthew Ratcliffe, Professor of Philosophy specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, UK
Prof. Lisa White, Professor of Modelling and Epidemiology Nuffield Department of Medicine, Oxford University, UK
Prof. Angus Dalgleish, MD, FRCP, FRACP, FRCPath, FMedSci, Department of Oncology, St. George’s, University of London
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics at Tufts University School of Medicine, an expert on vaccine development, efficacy and safety
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology in the University of Edinburgh and public health physician, with expertise in risk prediction
Prof. Partha P. Majumder, PhD, FNA, FASc, FNASc, FTWAS National Science Chair, Distinguished Professor and Founder National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, KalyaniEmeritus Professor Indian Statistical Institute, Kolkata
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, professor at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, a mathematician focussing on population dynamics, evolutionary theory and infectious disease epidemiology
Prof. Anthony J Brookes, Department of Genetics & Genome Biology, University of Leicester, UK
Prof. Simon Wood, professor at Edinburgh University, a statistician with expertise in statistical methodology, applied statistics and mathematical modelling in biology
Prof. David Livermore, Professor at University of East Anglia, a microbiologist with expertise in disease epidemiology, antibiotic resistance and rapid diagnostics
Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi, em. Professor of Medical Microbiology, University of Mainz, Germany
Prof. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu,
Professor of Finance, Director at Behavioural Finance Working Group, School of Business and Management, Queen Mary University of London
Prof. Karol Sikora MA, PhD, MBBChir, FRCP, FRCR, FFPM, Medical Director of Rutherford Health, Oncologist, & Dean of Medicine"
Bunch of quacks and hacks?
Ask yourself WHY this isn't flooding every news station and WHY they're still pushing fear and death.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=jtiInz1DWuA
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Old 27th October 2020, 03:53 PM   #2138
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What is the topic of the thread, anyway?
"Qanon Conspiracy Theories Part Two"

However it does seem this thread will be closed soon, as the Q-Anon conspiracy cult is obviously coming to an end.

There will soon be a spurt of posts from former cult members claiming they never really believed any of the cult's claims, before they return to posting Illuminati claims, or Rothschild conspiracies, or holocaust denial conspiracies.
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Old 27th October 2020, 04:16 PM   #2139
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
"Qanon Conspiracy Theories Part Two"

However it does seem this thread will be closed soon, as the Q-Anon conspiracy cult is obviously coming to an end.

There will soon be a spurt of posts from former cult members claiming they never really believed any of the cult's claims, before they return to posting Illuminati claims, or Rothschild conspiracies, or holocaust denial conspiracies.
No, I think that true conspiracists never give up. There is no reality vivid enough to crease their brows. I predict that QAnon will be just too perversely stubborn to die.
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No, I think that true conspiracists never give up. There is no reality vivid enough to crease their brows. I predict that QAnon will be just too perversely stubborn to die.
I agree that conspiracy theorists, as individuals, don't change. I also think we agree that a conspiracy theorist will believe in several different conspiracy themes, simultaneously. I therefore suggest, that as conspiracy theorists pretend that they are up to date and have special secret knowledge that they quickly swap to any conspiracy getting the most attention.

As Q-Anon is going to be the brunt of jokes for the next couple of years, the individuals will swap to Illuminati conspiracies or Rothschild conspiracies or deep state conspiracies, as these alternatives have not been laughed at as much for the last four years.

Anyhow the proof will be, what happens over the next three months.
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No, I think that true conspiracists never give up. There is no reality vivid enough to crease their brows. I predict that QAnon will be just too perversely stubborn to die.
I think it's a case of both. Trump's true devotees will never go away as long as he is alive, so there will always be "QAnon" in that sense. But I think Matthew's prediction will come true to an extent as well. There are many followers who were attracted to QAnon because it amplified conspiracy theories they already believed in, and they will move right on after Trump's fall whatever shape it takes.
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I think it's a case of both. Trump's true devotees will never go away as long as he is alive, so there will always be "QAnon" in that sense. But I think Matthew's prediction will come true to an extent as well. There are many followers who were attracted to QAnon because it amplified conspiracy theories they already believed in, and they will move right on after Trump's fall whatever shape it takes.
We've seen that QAnon is willing to transform itself to capture wider audiences. I think they're not above ripping off any stupid idea that appears in the conspiraverse, as they did with pizzagate and anti-covid baloney, and making it their own. This could help them stay prominent.
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We've seen that QAnon is willing to transform itself to capture wider audiences. I think they're not above ripping off any stupid idea that appears in the conspiraverse, as they did with pizzagate and anti-covid baloney, and making it their own. This could help them stay prominent.
Oh I absolutely agree. That is how QAnon transformed over time from "Trump fighting Clinton and her Democrat friends who are criminals because emails and Benghazi and Fake Russia Hoax" into "Trump fighting Clinton and the global Jew-funded satanic child-molesting-and-eating cabal" to begin with. As long as you're willing to generally agree on who the bad guy is, all are welcome at Camp QAnon. It's how you get Tippit, for instance, who claims not to trust Trump at all but nevertheless is still dutifully right here in this thread happily carrying QAnon's water.

I think that when Trump ultimately fails, QAnon may well lose its branding as such because "QAnon" will have lost some internal credibility; there's no helping that. But Q followers have hitched their wagon to Trump because he fills a very specific want/need for them. That want/need is still going to exist when Trump is gone; so yeah, they will persevere, whether as "QAnon" or under some other identity.
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The pretentiously called "The Great Barrington Declaration" is based on assumption which go against the observed facts - it's as simple as that.

It assumes that herd immunity is possible without a vaccine - unlikely, given the cases of reinfection.
It assumes that at-risk people can be identified and isolated - has not worked in any country.
And it assumes that the economy would work just fine if we just accepted the sickness and death of a significant number of the population.

In short, it's pretty insane.
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Oh I absolutely agree. That is how QAnon transformed over time from "Trump fighting Clinton and her Democrat friends who are criminals because emails and Benghazi and Fake Russia Hoax" into "Trump fighting Clinton and the global Jew-funded satanic child-molesting-and-eating cabal" to begin with. As long as you're willing to generally agree on who the bad guy is, all are welcome at Camp QAnon. It's how you get Tippit, for instance, who claims not to trust Trump at all but nevertheless is still dutifully right here in this thread happily carrying QAnon's water.

I think that when Trump ultimately fails, QAnon may well lose its branding as such because "QAnon" will have lost some internal credibility; there's no helping that. But Q followers have hitched their wagon to Trump because he fills a very specific want/need for them. That want/need is still going to exist when Trump is gone; so yeah, they will persevere, whether as "QAnon" or under some other identity.
With any luck we'll find out very soon what will happen when Trump fails. In any case, I don't think there will be a shortage of Trump-related conspiracist crap for some time to come.
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With any luck we'll find out very soon what will happen when Trump fails. In any case, I don't think there will be a shortage of Trump-related conspiracist crap for some time to come.
Won't they just switch the story to 'Trump has lost a battle with the evil Cabal, but not the war' and continue the belief he is going to triumph in the end or will his losing a deliberate act to get the Democrats into office where he can effectively 'trap' them all or some other nonsense?

I suspect if he loses he will start his re-election campaign for 2024 on January 21st.
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Won't they just switch the story to 'Trump has lost a battle with the evil Cabal, but not the war' and continue the belief he is going to triumph in the end or will his losing a deliberate act to get the Democrats into office where he can effectively 'trap' them all or some other nonsense?

I suspect if he loses he will start his re-election campaign for 2024 on January 21st.
There are many directions for QAnon to steer the narrative, one being that Trump is more effective working behind the scenes, as if he were ever effective at anything in his life beyond being a liar and a douche. Conspiracist fantasies aren't limited by reality, so any stupid thing is possible.

I'd be surprised if Trump has the stomach for returning to office, though. I don't expect that he'll outlive all the lawsuits coming his way.
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Old 29th October 2020, 07:18 PM   #2148
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There are many directions for QAnon to steer the narrative, one being that Trump is more effective working behind the scenes, as if he were ever effective at anything in his life beyond being a liar and a douche. Conspiracist fantasies aren't limited by reality, so any stupid thing is possible.

I'd be surprised if Trump has the stomach for returning to office, though. I don't expect that he'll outlive all the lawsuits coming his way.
Yeah, I don't know but I'll bet a skull full Quatloos that if he loses he'll try to get back into office.
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Yeah, I don't know but I'll bet a skull full Quatloos that if he loses he'll try to get back into office.
I'm not so sure he actually wants or likes the job enough.
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Ya just dont see things like this anymore:

https://radiopatriot.net/2020/10/30/...s-q-post-4941/
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Old Yesterday, 04:26 PM   #2151
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Ya just dont see things like this anymore:

https://radiopatriot.net/2020/10/30/...s-q-post-4941/
"Former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Vigano’s open letter to President Trump warns of a “great Reset” plot to destroy humanity. He calls out the Deep Church, Pope Francis, and the New World Order. "

So a religious person complains about the religion of other religious people
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Old Yesterday, 06:16 PM   #2152
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Remind me fellas

How did Fauci know there would be a "surprise outbreak" during the Trump administration, when he said that at Georgetown U in 2017?

I forgot how you explained that one.

I do recall someone explained that Fauci conducted "gain of function" work on Corona, which makes a benign virus more virulent, so we can study it and develop countermeasures.


https://www.brighteon.com/b0b78a26-2...8-1e01be2ac78f

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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Remind me fellas

How did Fauci know there would be a "surprise outbreak" during the Trump administration, when he said that at Georgetown U in 2017?

I forgot how you explained that one.

I do recall someone explained that Fauci conducted "gain of function" work on Corona, which makes a benign virus more virulent, so we can study it and develop countermeasures.
OMG, you cracked it. Fauci created the 'rona in league with Bill Gates and the Martian child trafficking mob. They're going to put microchips in our nutsacks so we breed compliant child sex slaves.

Or ... wait ... what the hell are you talking about? What needs explaining? Everyone knew a pandemic was coming because they always do. These things are predictable by smart people. Only a jackass like Trump would defund the US global pandemic team a few months before coronavirus hit. There's your villain.
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Remind me fellas. How did Fauci know there would be a "surprise outbreak" during the Trump administration, when he said that at Georgetown U in 2017?
He didn't. That's why you didn't post a quote. What you did do was link to a 30 minute conspiracy video on the Brighteon conspiracy theory website, that you haven't watched yourself.....


Brighteon is an internet information hosting service which allow users to post content, including videos, comments, descriptions, and other materials.[1] It was started by Natural News founder Mike Adams.[2] The founder's association with conspiracy theories has led to links to the site being banned by FaceBook.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Remind me fellas

How did Fauci know there would be a "surprise outbreak" during the Trump administration, when he said that at Georgetown U in 2017?

I forgot how you explained that one.

I do recall someone explained that Fauci conducted "gain of function" work on Corona, which makes a benign virus more virulent, so we can study it and develop countermeasures.


https://www.brighteon.com/b0b78a26-2...8-1e01be2ac78f
Obviously the first rule of Bubba links is, you don't click Bubba links.

https://gumc.georgetown.edu/gumc-sto...ble-pandemic/#

Here are Fauci's actual comments from his Georgetown speech from a real source. It's fairly obvious that he wasn't speaking about the current COVID-19 situation. He is clearly saying that there will be a challenge to the Trump administration in the area of infectious disease because there are challenges to all administrations in the area of infectious disease.

Obama conquered his challenges in this area. Trump failed.
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Ya just dont see things like this anymore:

https://radiopatriot.net/2020/10/30/...s-q-post-4941/
And I'm not going to. Remember the first rule of Bubba links.
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The lunatic fringe
we all know that you're out there . . .
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Lou Dobbs, the N Y Post, Tucker Carlson, Tony Bobulinski, Trump, Melania, and I are all Russian agents !

The FBI are Russian agents because they interviewed Bobulinski for 6 hours.

"The big guy" is Trump, not Biden
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Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Lou Dobbs, the N Y Post, Tucker Carlson, Tony Bobulinski, Trump, Melania, and I are all Russian agents !

The FBI are Russian agents because they interviewed Bobulinski for 6 hours.

"The big guy" is Trump, not Biden
The technical term is: "Useful Idiots".
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Lou Dobbs, the N Y Post, Tucker Carlson, Tony Bobulinski, Trump, Melania, and I are all Russian agents !
1) The SVR and GRU ( Russian Foreign Intelligence services) have officers and not "agents"

2) An "agent" is someone, with information, who supplies that information to foreign intelligence officers.

3) None of the people you listed have any useful information.
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