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Old 16th August 2011, 01:35 AM   #1
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Hi all,

I'm new to this forum, but not new to James Randi and his debunkings.

I recently read Michael Bentine's Through the Door Marked Summer. In it he describes some interesting, personal attributes as well as a student allegedly unleashing some kind of nasty spirit.

I wanted to know if there was any substances to his claims.

I have searched this forum and there are no references to Michael Bentine whatsoever.

I would appreciate any and all input on your thoughts regarding him and his family past and history etc.

Thanks
Adam
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Old 16th August 2011, 01:41 AM   #2
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I didn't know anything about Michael Bentine other than remembering Potty Time. But it is interesting that he was interested in parapsychology as well as science in general.

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His interests included parapsychology. This was as a result of his and his family's extensive research into the paranormal which resulted in his writing The Door Marked Summer and The Doors of the Mind. He was, for the final years of his life, president of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena.
Bentine was also interested in science. On 14 December 1977, he appeared with Arthur C. Clarke on Patrick Moore's BBC The Sky At Night programme. The broadcast was entitled Suns, Spaceships and Bug-Eyed Monsters - a light-hearted but refreshing look at how science fiction had become science fact, as well as how ideas of space travel had become reality through the 20th century. Bentine appeared in a subsequent broadcast on a similar theme with Patrick Moore in 1980. Following the death of Arthur C. Clarke, BBC Sky At Night magazine released a copy of the 1977 archive programme on the cover of their May 2008 edition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bentine
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Old 16th August 2011, 01:48 AM   #3
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This snippet from Yaffle's quote is funny:

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He was, for the final years of his life, president of the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena. Bentine was also interested in science.
Kinda says it all, I think.

Welcome cappsie, AKA, Adam.
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Old 16th August 2011, 02:13 AM   #4
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The skull mystery

Admittedly I didn't spend too long looking for this information, but:

The chairman of the Club asked whether I could see into the future, and I was pleased to report that I was not that unfortunate…‘Michael Bentine’ he informed me, ‘once gave a talk to us and said he had mistakenly been given an injection of a pure culture of typhoid.’ (Another man died immediately but Bentine was left in a coma for six weeks. When he regained consciousness his eyesight was ruined, leaving him myopic for the rest of his life) ‘…after which he knew when people were going to die as he ‘saw’ a skull superimposed over them …including his own son. Although I share in Bentine’s ability to see pictures (called ‘clairvoyancy) and also the fact that, like him, I was brought back from the brink of death after what is known as a ‘near death experience’, I could never imagine the fear that Bentine must have felt when he saw the skull superimposed over his very own son, who was soon to die in a plane crash. What a terrible legacy to have to bear. It is a little ironic that he was left with myopia, as this is the physical manifestation of extreme short sightedness, and yet the effect of his near-death experience was the psychic manifestation of long sightedness of a terrifying sort, resulting in these morbid glimpses of the future.

I have the links but cannot post due to the 15 min limit posts

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In his autobiography, The Long Banana Skin, Bentine claimed whilst in the Royal Air Force during the Second World War he had visions through which he was able to tell whether his comrades would live or die. If he saw a skull super-imposed over their faces, he then knew they would not return from their next mission. Not the kind of talent to win friends and influence people, but certainly one to impress others with in later years, as he did when he recounted such tales on chat shows.

But is there any evidence that suggests he was always right?

Adam.
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Old 16th August 2011, 03:43 AM   #5
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The problem is that these are anecdotes and the war ended 66 years ago. I don't really know what evidence you expect anyone to find.
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Old 16th August 2011, 08:26 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by cappsie View Post
But is there any evidence that suggests he was always right?

Is there any evidence that suggests he was ever right? Telling stories on chat shows years after the event doesn't count.
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Old 16th August 2011, 09:02 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by cappsie View Post
Admittedly I didn't spend too long looking for this information, but:

The chairman of the Club asked whether I could see into the future, and I was pleased to report that I was not that unfortunate…‘Michael Bentine’ he informed me, ‘once gave a talk to us and said he had mistakenly been given an injection of a pure culture of typhoid.’ (Another man died immediately but Bentine was left in a coma for six weeks. When he regained consciousness his eyesight was ruined, leaving him myopic for the rest of his life) ‘…after which he knew when people were going to die as he ‘saw’ a skull superimposed over them …including his own son. Although I share in Bentine’s ability to see pictures (called ‘clairvoyancy) and also the fact that, like him, I was brought back from the brink of death after what is known as a ‘near death experience’, I could never imagine the fear that Bentine must have felt when he saw the skull superimposed over his very own son, who was soon to die in a plane crash. What a terrible legacy to have to bear. It is a little ironic that he was left with myopia, as this is the physical manifestation of extreme short sightedness, and yet the effect of his near-death experience was the psychic manifestation of long sightedness of a terrifying sort, resulting in these morbid glimpses of the future.

I have the links but cannot post due to the 15 min limit posts

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In his autobiography, The Long Banana Skin, Bentine claimed whilst in the Royal Air Force during the Second World War he had visions through which he was able to tell whether his comrades would live or die. If he saw a skull super-imposed over their faces, he then knew they would not return from their next mission. Not the kind of talent to win friends and influence people, but certainly one to impress others with in later years, as he did when he recounted such tales on chat shows.

But is there any evidence that suggests he was always right?

Adam.
Admitting that you're clairvoyant around here is like telling people in a pick-up bar that you have venereal disease.

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Old 16th August 2011, 09:30 PM   #8
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I think cappsie was quoting someone else who was talking about Bentine and then admitting that he was clairvoyant as well. I don't think it was cappsie admitting the he, himself, was clairvoyant. If I misinterpreted that, please let us know cappsie.

It will certainly alter the conversation.

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Old 16th August 2011, 09:54 PM   #9
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I loved Michael Bentine's Potty Time as a kid and it's fantastic that it's gradually being released on DVD - I don't care if he believed in a load of old bollocks, he's still a hero of my childhood!
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Old 16th August 2011, 10:05 PM   #10
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"Admitting that you're clairvoyant around here is like telling people in a pick-up bar that you have venereal disease."
I knew you were gonna say that.

Where's the frakin clap emoticon?
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Old 16th August 2011, 11:01 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Jeff Corey View Post
"Admitting that you're clairvoyant around here is like telling people in a pick-up bar that you have venereal disease."
I knew you were gonna say that.

Where's the frakin clap emoticon?

I see what you did there.
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Old 21st October 2018, 03:01 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
I think cappsie was quoting someone else who was talking about Bentine and then admitting that he was clairvoyant as well. I don't think it was cappsie admitting the he, himself, was clairvoyant. If I misinterpreted that, please let us know cappsie.

It will certainly alter the conversation.

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Hi wardenclyffe,

Better late than never. Yes, you are/were right. I didn't mean to claim I was clairvoyant but that Bentine claimed to have some clairvoyant-type 'gift'.

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Old 21st October 2018, 03:10 PM   #13
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Seven years? You type even slower than me.
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Old 21st October 2018, 03:35 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by cappsie View Post
I have the links but cannot post due to the 15 min limit posts
Welcome!

Post the links but replace the full stops with " dot " and someone will fix and post them for you. Maybe me if I'm still awake!

But-:

I'm willing to bet that there won't be convincing evidence of his psychic powers
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Old 21st October 2018, 03:53 PM   #15
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Like those links will be valid in 2025.
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Old 26th October 2018, 09:10 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by cappsie View Post
Hi all,

I'm new to this forum, but not new to James Randi and his debunkings.

I recently read Michael Bentine's Through the Door Marked Summer. In it he describes some interesting, personal attributes as well as a student allegedly unleashing some kind of nasty spirit.

I wanted to know if there was any substances to his claims.

I have searched this forum and there are no references to Michael Bentine whatsoever.

I would appreciate any and all input on your thoughts regarding him and his family past and history etc.

Thanks
Adam

It's all in the mind, you know...
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It's all in the mind, you know...
You silly twisted boy, you.
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Old 23rd December 2019, 08:20 AM   #18
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Sadly nothing new

Boy but this is a long-running thread. Best I can assume is Bentine's were anecdotes at best.

I've yet to see any 'powers' actually be proven under scientific testing.

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