Split Thread: Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Daylightstar

And yet, you believe in a spirit world and third eyes etc.

I think it is likely, but I still have doubts.

[I Ratant]

Originally Posted by tsig

The Third Eye

In November 1956 a book called The Third Eye was published in the United Kingdom. It was written by a man named as Tuesday Lobsang Rampa, and it purported to relate his experiences while growing up in Chakpori Lamasery[1] Chokpori, Tibet after being sent there at the age of seven. The title of the book is derived from an operation, similar to trepanation, that Rampa claimed he had undergone, in which a small hole was drilled into his forehead to arouse the third eye and enhance powers of clairvoyance. The book describes the operation as follows:

The instrument penetrated the bone. A very hard, clean sliver of wood had been treated by fire and herbs and was slid down so that it just entered the hole in my head. I felt a stinging, tickling sensation apparently in the bridge of my nose. It subsided and I became aware of subtle scents which I could not identify. Suddenly there was a blinding flash. For a moment the pain was intense. It diminished, died and was replaced by spirals of colour. As the projecting sliver was being bound into place so that it could not move, the Lama Mingyar Dondup turned to me and said:" You are now one of us, Lobsang. For the rest of your life you will see people as they are and not as they pretend to be."

During the story, Rampa sees yetis and eventually encounters a mummified body of himself from an earlier incarnation. He also takes part in an initiation ceremony in which he learns that during its early history the Earth was struck by another planet, causing Tibet to become the mountain kingdom that it is today.

I read the book in 1968, never got the third eye opened.

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It's been done... usually fatal.
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[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

We are not talking about getting a message through a medium, we are talking about opening ourselves to the spirit world directly. So I guess we would have to work out for ourselves if the information that we received was true or false. I would suggest that the application of logic to any perceptions would be a good thing that might avoid self delusion.

Self delusion may occur during claimed perception, in the sense that there is no actual perception but creation of a perception through self delusion.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

... but I still have doubts.

No, you don't.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Daylightstar

You're not exactly very convincing.

I don't have to be, just writing about these ideas is planting them in your heads, and making them more accessible to those of you that have never given such things any credibility. I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
You may not believe in them now, but you will recognise the terms when you read them again somewhere else.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

I don't have to be, just writing about these ideas is planting them in your heads, and making them more accessible to those of you that have never given such things any credibility. I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
You may not believe in them now, but you will recognise the terms when you read them again somewhere else.

Actually, I have been familiar with those terms for quite some time. But since they are not in touch with reality, they are inert.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

We are not talking about getting a message through a medium, we are talking about opening ourselves to the spirit world directly. So I guess we would have to work out for ourselves if the information that we received was true or false. I would suggest that the application of logic to any perceptions would be a good thing that might avoid self delusion.

You need to be much more specific than that if you want to avoid self deception.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

I don't have to be, just writing about these ideas is planting them in your heads, and making them more accessible to those of you that have never given such things any credibility. I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.
You may not believe in them now, but you will recognise the terms when you read them again somewhere else.

I'm sure most posters here were, like me, already very familiar with these terms. I spent many years reading about and considering such concepts before rejecting them as imaginary.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

I am teaching about the chakras and the etheric body, and those ideas are something that cannot be forgotten.

But you haven't provided anything of substance about them to be either remembered or forgotten. The problem is that you have no idea how to make sense of the word salad that you've been force fed so you cannot explain in any coherent fashion. The reason for that, of course, is that all of these so-called mediums from whom you obtained these terms were themselves making them up or perpetuating nonsense that they had been taught.

nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

...
You may not believe in them now, ...

I wouldn't have to believe in them if they could be shown to be real.
But, as you know, that can not be done. Not by anyone, not by you.

[Daylightstar]

Scorpion, I don't believe your psychic/baby brother message actually occured as you say it did. I think you constructed that anecdote through self delusion or self deception.

[dlorde]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

... I used to have a feeling like fire flowing through my chakras, which is the way I came to know about them. It turned out to be caused by my etheric body being made loose due to mental stress I had suffered.

Either that, or shingles

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Daylightstar

Scorpion, I don't believe your psychic/baby brother message actually occured as you say it did. I think you constructed that anecdote through self delusion or self deception.

Man, your just putting me on.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by Daylightstar

Scorpion, I don't believe your psychic/baby brother message actually occured as you say it did. I think you constructed that anecdote through self delusion or self deception.

That's certainly a possibility, but even if Scorpion is remembering and describing his experience 100% accurately there are still more plausible explanations than a message from the spirit world.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Man, your just putting me on.

No, not really.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

That's certainly a possibility, but even if Scorpion is remembering and describing his experience 100% accurately there are still more plausible explanations than a message from the spirit world.

In such a case, yes of course, there would be.

[dlorde]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

The third eye (brow chakra) is just another organ like the physical eyes.

No it isn't. As I said, there is no physiological or anatomical trace of such an organ, nor any neural pathways for whatever it is supposed to sense. And no, the pineal gland isn't involved.

Acupuncture is supposed to use chakras and meridians to direct its effects, but in controlled tests, random needle placement was every bit as effective, as was use of fake needles that didn't pierce the skin. All placebo effect. There's no evidence to support the existence of chakras or meridians.

[dlorde]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

... maybe succeeding in opening the third eye would bring evidence that was confirmable.

Nobody has come forward with any confirmable evidence up to now; my money is on that continuing to be the case.

But do let us know if you think you have some comfirmable evidence from your third eye - oh wait, you can't because the spirits don't want us to know, or something, am I right?

[thaiboxerken]

Originally Posted by dlorde

Nobody has come forward with any confirmable evidence up to now; my money is on that continuing to be the case.

But do let us know if you think you have some comfirmable evidence from your third eye - oh wait, you can't because the spirits don't want us to know, or something, am I right?

If we knew, we'd use that power for evil and wipe out the world. Only "good" people can wield the power, that's why evidence is so elusive.

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Man, your just putting me on.

Funny, I was thinking the same about some of your posts.

However, What exactly must I do to open my 3rd eye?

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

What exactly must I do to open my 3rd eye?

From post 419.


I was taught how to open the third eye (brow chakra) by the late spiritualist medium, Ursula Roberts. Firstly you start with a prayer, (to raise your vibrations to a higher plane) The lords prayer will do. Then you concentrate on trying to see a spot of light in front of you. When you get to see a spot of light you try to expand it out wards. Think of opening a flower in your forehead. When you have finished, make an equal amount of effort trying to close it again as you do not want to walk around with it open to the spirit world. That could be disturbing

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

From post 419.


I was taught how to open the third eye (brow chakra) by the late spiritualist medium, Ursula Roberts. Firstly you start with a prayer, (to raise your vibrations to a higher plane) The lords prayer will do. Then you concentrate on trying to see a spot of light in front of you. When you get to see a spot of light you try to expand it out wards. Think of opening a flower in your forehead. When you have finished, make an equal amount of effort trying to close it again as you do not want to walk around with it open to the spirit world. That could be disturbing

Now if nothing happens [and I'm fairly certain it won't] should I try try again until successful?

Can I use this one?:

Hail Marinara,
Full of Spice,
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is filled with thee.
Tasty art thou amongst sauces,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy jar, tomatoes
Holy Marinara,
Chief Amongst Toppings,
Save a plate for us now,
and at about 6 o’clock when dinner is served, if you would be so kind.
RAmen.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Now if nothing happens [and I'm fairly certain it won't] should I try try again until successful?

Can I use this one?:

Hail Marinara,
Full of Spice,
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is filled with thee.
Tasty art thou amongst sauces,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy jar, tomatoes
Holy Marinara,
Chief Amongst Toppings,
Save a plate for us now,
and at about 6 o’clock when dinner is served, if you would be so kind.
RAmen.

Be careful Nay_Sayer, once you open that white hole, you'll find Scorpion is standing on the other side throwing solidified unicorn rainbow farts at you in an attempt to ..... undermine you, as well.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Now if nothing happens [and I'm fairly certain it won't] should I try try again until successful?

Can I use this one?:

Hail Marinara,
Full of Spice,
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is filled with thee.
Tasty art thou amongst sauces,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy jar, tomatoes
Holy Marinara,
Chief Amongst Toppings,
Save a plate for us now,
and at about 6 o’clock when dinner is served, if you would be so kind.
RAmen.

Yes try again, and again. But I advise you to be more respectful and sincere in your choice of prayers, because the theory is the world is surrounded by a dark psychic atmosphere caused by all the wars and sufferings of centuries. You need to rise above that atmosphere to see into the higher planes of the spirits existence, as seeing into the darkness might be unpleasant.

[Daylightstar]

Perhaps Nay_Sayer should evolve a bit more first, before he can successfully dodge the solidified unicorn rainbow farts?

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Yes try again, and again. But I advise you to be more respectful and sincere in your choice of prayers, because the theory is the world is surrounded by a dark psychic atmosphere caused by all the wars and sufferings of centuries. You need to rise above that atmosphere to see into the higher planes of the spirits existence, as seeing into the darkness might be unpleasant.

I am being sincere, Am I not allowed to pray to my deity of choice?

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Daylightstar

Perhaps Nay_Sayer should evolve a bit more first, before he can successfully dodge the solidified unicorn rainbow farts?

Being the tool making ape I am, I elect to construct a shield from tin foil and cardboard.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

I am being sincere, Am I not allowed to pray to my deity of choice?

Silver Birch teaches that God is within us all, so we do not pray to an external God, we pray to raise ourselves toward realizing the power of God we contain. Religions and theology's that teach us God is some external deity are outdated misunderstandings.

[turingtest]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

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Originally Posted by dlorde View Post
Nobody has come forward with any confirmable evidence up to now; my money is on that continuing to be the case.

But do let us know if you think you have some comfirmable evidence from your third eye - oh wait, you can't because the spirits don't want us to know, or something, am I right?

If we knew, we'd use that power for evil and wipe out the world. Only "good" people can wield the power, that's why evidence is so elusive.

It seems that "no true psychic" would show evidence that he is one.

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Silver Birch teaches that God is within us all, so we do not pray to an external God, we pray to raise ourselves toward realizing the power of God we contain. Religions and theology's that teach us God is some external deity are outdated misunderstandings.

Scruffy The Wise Sage Pirate teaches FSM is the way and the light, He is older than silver and therefore correct.


How many times should I try in a day?

How many times of nothing happen, Can I take a break?

Can my 3rd eye be near/far sighted? If so does lenscrafters make a special pair of glasses to fix the problem?

[mstricky]

There is an after life. I have proof and proved it to work colleagues, husband and police forty years ago. It is a shame I can't prove it now but forty years ago there was no internet nor Randi forum. I do know that we do not die and that there is an after life so it doesn't really matter if others believe me or not. The system is this.... We are originally souls. We come into a new born and have no recollection of the after life or that we existed before. We are born and have free will without knowing we existed before. We come here for a purpose, perhaps to die at two years old to teach the parent grief etc. we then return to being a soul and decide if we want to reincarnate or not. Such as Hitler came from a good soul and returns to being a good soul but cannot now correct what he did on earth so lives in his own hell for ever more knowing he cannot correct what he did on earth. We are all born with a purpose but don't know what that is when we are born. I do know that if we repent for our sins, we will be happier when we die and our soul rises into the after life. We are not judged when we die, we judge our selves so you can imagine if you have been evil on earth and now dead can't correct that and have reverted to being a good soul, how that will drive you daft in the after life. That is your hell.
I am your normal good neighbour, have children, grandchildren. Mid seventies now and getting old. I have received messages in my dreams from the dead which terrified me and didn't want them; didn't want to know. Begged the universe not to use me but having experienced them it proves to me that we do not die. The last message I got was that my husband's brother was about to die. I told my husband and a month after his brother died

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by mstricky

There is an after life. I have proof and proved it to work colleagues, husband and police forty years ago. It is a shame I can't prove it now..

You should of just stopped there, If you cannot prove it now why bring it up?

[Resume]

Originally Posted by mstricky

There is an after life. I have proof and proved it to work colleagues, husband and police forty years ago.

Sure you did.

Quote:

It is a shame I can't prove it now

Yeah, fancy that.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Scruffy The Wise Sage Pirate teaches FSM is the way and the light, He is older than silver and therefore correct.


How many times should I try in a day?

How many times of nothing happen, Can I take a break?

Can my 3rd eye be near/far sighted? If so does lenscrafters make a special pair of glasses to fix the problem?

I only try once a day, at bedtime. I have not seen anything in the last few days, but I intend to give it at least a few weeks before giving up.

If your 3rd eye needs glasses I think you will be out of luck.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Being the tool making ape I am, I elect to construct a shield from tin foil and cardboard.

Excellent

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Silver Birch teaches that God is within us all, so we do not pray to an external God, we pray to raise ourselves toward realizing the power of God we contain. Religions and theology's that teach us God is some external deity are outdated misunderstandings.

You mean, Silver Birch claims that. As per usual with irrational claims, nothing is demonstrated to be real.

[Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Daylightstar

Excellent

It won't work, thought power can penetrate matter.

[mstricky]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

You should of just stopped there, If you cannot prove it now why bring it up?

Just have an open mind. Don't be sure there is nothing; there may be something. I know there is. There is definitely life after death. I have experienced it

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by mstricky

There is an after life. I have proof and proved it to work colleagues, husband and police forty years ago. ...

There is NO afterlife. I have proved this in the past many times to many people, the police, soldiers, three scientists a butcher and the neighbor's dog. I just can't proof it right now but it's true, there is NO afterlife.

It doesn't matter that I can't show you the proof right now, I already proved it in the past.

[Daylightstar]

Originally Posted by Scorpion

It won't work, thought power can penetrate matter.

Not with 100% double layered cover, especially with the tin foil crumpled on the outside.