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Old 10th May 2014, 12:23 PM   #641
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
Anyone from England know where mstricky can go for help?


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I have already provided a local link to a spiritualist church.

For conventional medical help she must go to her GP and tell them she is having sucidal thoughts. They will then refer her to a psychiatrists clinic.
Referal could take several weeks, but if she tells them she is seriously suicidal she may be taken straight into a mental hospital.
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Old 10th May 2014, 12:24 PM   #642
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Originally Posted by wardenclyffe View Post
Anyone from England know where mstricky can go for help?



I would suggest that you absolutely tell your daughters. It sounds like they know something's up, but don't keep them guessing. You should let them know exactly what's going on.



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Manchester is a big place, but her GP should be the first call.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Suicide...ting-help.aspx

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Old 10th May 2014, 12:27 PM   #643
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You do not even know what mstricky's claim to suicidal behavior is based upon.
Perhaps you should inquire with her first before you offer BS.
It makes no difference what her feelings are based on, she has beliefs and they can be a source of strength.

I do not consider spiritual beliefs to be BS.
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Old 10th May 2014, 12:28 PM   #644
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I have already provided a local link to a spiritualist church.
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Counter productive advice.
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Counter productive advice.
I had healing that I could actually feel in the 1970's, and it helped me a great deal.
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It makes no difference what her feelings are based on, she has beliefs and they can be a source of strength.



I do not consider spiritual beliefs to be BS.

Your silly beliefs are only important in that you are giving dangerous advice.
You shouldn't be doing that.
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It makes no difference what her feelings are based on, she has beliefs and they can be a source of strength.
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Sure, the source of her claim for suicidal behavior does not matter, irrational behavior, that's the most important thing

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I do not consider spiritual irrational beliefs to be BS.
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Of course you don't. That's why irrational beliefs can be so persistent.
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Old 10th May 2014, 12:36 PM   #648
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Your silly beliefs are only important in that you are giving dangerous advice.
You shouldn't be doing that.
Have you ever been to a spiritualist church? because that is what I am advising. Going to church and getting spiritual healing. How exactly is that dangerous?
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I had healing that I could actually feel in the 1970's, and it helped me a great deal.
No prior plausibility and on top of that, unverifiable.

Synonymous with the term "hot air".
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Old 10th May 2014, 12:43 PM   #650
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Have you ever been to a spiritualist church? because that is what I am advising. Going to church and getting spiritual healing. How exactly is that dangerous?
You do not know the circumstances of the claim for suicidal behavior by mstricky.
You're acting like a psych-quack.
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Have you ever been to a spiritualist church? because that is what I am advising. Going to church and getting spiritual healing. How exactly is that dangerous?

Because it's rubbish and dangerous.
Blindingly obvious to me. I'm surprised your third eye doesn't let you see that.

You have demonstrated repeatedly that your irrational beliefs make you the very last person who someone with suicidal tendencies should take advice from.

The link you offered to the pretend church is of no use whatsoever.
I'd ask how you know that it's location, in Stockport I believe, is even near to MSs location.
As I stated, Manchester is a big place.

Ironically, or in your terms prophetic, when MS stated her location I was booking a flight from Glasgow int to Manchester int. which I'm sure you are aware is in Stockport.

I'll be listening to records next. The big ones not the small ones of course.

Ms please check the NHS link I gave, it contains phone numbers of organisations who don't practice nonsense.
The Samaritans would be a good one.
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You do not know the circumstances of the claim for suicidal behavior by mstricky.
You're acting like a psycho-quack.
What difference does the reason make, it is my belief and experience that having healing would help. It would lift her above her own negative state of mind. Healing cleanses the aura and charges it up with positive energy.
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What difference does the reason make, it is my belief and experience that having healing would help. It would lift her above her own negative state of mind. Healing cleanses the aura and charges it up with positive energy.
Yes yes, your irrational belief is the most important thing in the world.
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Because it's rubbish and dangerous.
Blindingly obvious to me. I'm surprised your third eye doesn't let you see that.

You have demonstrated repeatedly that your irrational beliefs make you the very last person who someone with suicidal tendencies should take advice from..
By your terms spiritual beliefs are all rubbish, and of course you have no faith there is a God. But much of the worlds poulation think otherwise.

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Ms please check the NHS link I gave, it contains phone numbers of organisations who don't practice nonsense.
The Samaritans would be a good one.
That is a good link with useful advice.
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... the circumstances of the claim for suicidal behavior by mstricky. ...
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What difference does the reason make, ...
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By your terms spiritual beliefs are all rubbish, and of course you have no faith there is a God. But much of the worlds poulation think otherwise.
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In spite of that, no god can be shown to exist.
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At least ComfySlippers provided responsible advise.

I rarely get outraged about posts made by strangers.
Im outraged.

None of us are qualified to diagnose a medical condition of an anonymous forum poster.
Scorpion even less so.

I strongly suggest that MS reads the link I gave and to ignore Scorpions flippant nonsense.
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In spite of that, no god can be shown to exist.
Yea, why not take away everyones hope. Not like they might have needed their beliefs or anything.
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I rarely get outraged about posts made by strangers.
Im outraged.

None of us are qualified to diagnose a medical condition of an anonymous forum poster.
Scorpion even less so.

I strongly suggest that MS reads the link I gave and to ignore Scorpions flippant nonsense.
I'm in full support of your post!
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Yea, why not take away everyones hope. Not like they might have needed their beliefs or anything.
You're offering false hope. No one needs a psych-quack.
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Yea, why not take away everyones hope. Not like they might have needed their beliefs or anything.
Another thing.
As per my experience of your recent posts concerning mstricky's claims to suicidal behavior, they (your posts) represent the most reprehensible and disgusting aspect of irrational behavior.
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You're offering false hope.
Tell it to little old ladys in Russia that were put in mental hospitals for believing in God. During Stalins time they were given aversion therapy in hospitals, but when they were finally released they went back to church.
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Tell it to little old ladys in Russia that were put in mental hospitals for believing in God. During Stalins time they were given aversion therapy in hospitals, but when they were finally released they went back to church.
Did they go to your 'spiritual church'?
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Tell it to little old ladys in Russia that were put in mental hospitals for believing in God. During Stalins time they were given aversion therapy in hospitals, but when they were finally released they went back to church.
So what? The best you can offer in this thread to someone struggling with suicidal depression is a link to a qualified medical professional and/or center, such as the NHS link. Anything else is just quackery. Since the NHS link has been posted, and solid advice offered to seek help from a qualified professional, why don't you try leaving it up the lady to pursue that, and back out of the conversation? She may benefit from spiritual sustenance, if those are her beliefs, but she needs more than just that if she is truly suicidal.

Who gives a **** about little old ladies in Russia?
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Another thing.

As per my experience of your recent posts concerning mstricky's claims to suicidal behavior, they represent the most reprehensible and disgusting aspect of irrational behavior.

Indeed.

MS, you must talk to someone.
Talking is more important than many of us realise.
The imagined stigma is as imaginary as Scorpions third eye.
Family/friends/GP, hell, I'll be back in Bolton soon I'll give you my phone number and listen.
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Did they go to your 'spiritual church'?
I believe they were christians. I read a book about Russian religious repression years ago.
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Indeed.

MS, you must talk to someone.
Talking is more important than many of us realise.
The imagined stigma is as imaginary as Scorpions third eye.
Family/friends/GP, hell, I'll be back in Bolton soon I'll give you my phone number and listen.
Your link bears repetition:
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Suicide...ting-help.aspx
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So what?
So, religious repression has been tried and failed. You cannot crush the God out of peoples hearts.
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I believe they were christians. I read a book about Russian religious repression years ago.
I'm reading about psych-quackery right now, in a thread.
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So, religious repression has been tried and failed. You cannot crush the God out of peoples hearts.
You can not talk a god into existence. No one can.
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So, religious repression has been tried and failed. You cannot crush the God out of peoples hearts.
Irrational beliefs can be quite persistent. It's a known problem.
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So, religious repression has been tried and failed. You cannot crush the God out of peoples hearts.
Well, apparently, if she is suicidally depressed, God isn't doing her much good right now.

Jesus, man, she needs help from a health professional, not a spiritual church. No one here is trying to "religiously repress" her, just advise her to the best help for her.

Get a grip.
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mstricky, could you let us know what your course of action (if any) will be?
Will you (or have you already) check(ed) ComfySlippers' link?
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Suicide...ting-help.aspx
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So what? The best you can offer in this thread to someone struggling with suicidal depression is a link to a qualified medical professional and/or center, such as the NHS link. Anything else is just quackery. Since the NHS link has been posted, and solid advice offered to seek help from a qualified professional, why don't you try leaving it up the lady to pursue that, and back out of the conversation? She may benefit from spiritual sustenance, if those are her beliefs, but she needs more than just that if she is truly suicidal.
See my post 641 where I explain the processes of getting psychiatric help in England.
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I do not think my beliefs are irrational, they are the sum of my experience.

Maybe it is you who should not stomp on the beliefs that may give someone strength to carry on.

Only its a placebo, A denial of reality. When we die, we die.
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See my post 641 where I explain the processes of getting psychiatric help in England.

Meanwhile, back in the real world:
http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNH...eservices.aspx

The Samaritans, non- religious organisation just in case any Russian ladies from last century are reading this, is a good starting point.
Phone call is quickest. They won't judge.
An in person visit is available. They have an office on Oxford Street.
0161 236 8000
The national number is 08457 909090
Email is an option but looks like it could be a slower process.
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Originally Posted by Scorpion;1don't think821
See my post 641 where I explain the processes of getting psychiatric help in England.
Fine. Now can you stop blathering on about old Russian women and religious repression? It really has nothing to do with aiding someone struggling with clinical depression.
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Old 10th May 2014, 03:35 PM   #679
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
Have you ever been to a spiritualist church? because that is what I am advising. Going to church and getting spiritual healing. How exactly is that dangerous?
The placebo effect for one. Someone become so jumped up on good vibes and wanting to believe/ be a part of the spectacle they ignore symptoms, until the condition gets worse. The fake healers chalk it up as a win, and the person is left in a worse situation than if they got real medical attention.
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Old 10th May 2014, 03:37 PM   #680
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Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
By your terms spiritual beliefs are all rubbish, and of course you have no faith there is a God. But much of the worlds poulation think otherwise.



That is a good link with useful advice.
Most of the worlds population believed the sub revolved around the earth at one point, did that make them any more right?
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