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Old 11th February 2019, 09:05 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Criticism of what? Not of Israel's actions, because again, that's not what's even being discussed here. The criticism is of pro-Israel lobbying. But again, Israel is in no way peculiar in that regard. Why should pro-Israel lobbying be criticized but everyone else's gets a pass? That double standard is motivated in no small part by antisemitism.
So what? If I said your support against Obamacare was because of dollars donated to you by the healthcare industry would you also get offended?
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Old 11th February 2019, 09:06 AM   #82
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Why do some Democrats hate Jews so much?
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
From anti-Semitism to blackface to rape allegations to false attack hoaxes, Liberals are doing awesome right now.
Maybe you should establish the anti-semitism before you add it to your gift list.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Why do some Democrats hate Jews so much?
"Quick! I have to distract people from the fact that most anti-semites are on my side. Hey! There's someone from the other side whose posts might be interpreted as anti-semitic. At long last, the wrong that'll make our wrong right!"
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Old 11th February 2019, 09:09 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Why do some Democrats hate Jews so much?
I don't hate Jews. Some of my best friends are Jewish. I do hate religion and it's us vs them mentality.
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Old 11th February 2019, 09:09 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Why do some Democrats hate Jews so much?
I know. Don't they understand how much we need Israel to exist so it can be destroyed when Jesus returns?
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
You mean states that are already under sanctions?
Egypt, for example, isn't under sanctions.

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Or states we don't sell billions of dollars of military equipment to?
We sell billions of dollars of military equipment to Turkey.

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What "hostile" nations do we treat better than Israel?
As a matter of national policy, we don't currently treat Israel worse. But the BDS program is an effort to get us to treat Israel worse than most of its neighbors (the only exception being Syria).
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Jewish House Democrats urge Pelosi to denounce Ilhan Omar for ‘hateful tropes’ in tweets



Somebody here better inform them that it wasn't antisemitism
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Oh no not Obama's advisor now!

Obama’s Ambassador to Israel Condemns Ilhan Omar’s ‘Vile’ Anti-Semitism
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Jesus Christ watching people not only not being able to conceptualize anything outside of the context of political point scoring but not be able to conceptualize that people exist who are capable of conceptualizing things outside of political point scoring and just assume that's what everybody else is doing too is depressing.

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Reps. Josh Gottheimer (N.J.) and Elaine Luria (Va.), who are both Jewish, are collecting signatures for a letter they plan to send to Democratic leaders expressing deep concern over “recent rhetoric from certain members within our Caucus, including just last night, that has disparaged us and called into question our loyalty to our nation.” The letter, which was obtained by POLITICO, is being circulated to Jewish Democrats.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Egypt, for example, isn't under sanctions.
Should they be?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I keep having to point this out, but this thread isn't about Israel's actions. None of Omar's tweets mentioned in the OP make any reference to anything Israel has or has not done.
It's part of the immediate context and absolutely relevant to the motivations of all involved.

This thread presupposes without evidence that these tweets were anti-Semitic. I see no reason to believe that. AIPAC is a pro-Israel lobby that moves large amounts of money to mostly conservative lawmakers. Suggesting that these lawmakers are beholden to pro-Israel stances because of that money is a perfectly fair accusation.
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Old 11th February 2019, 09:14 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Jesus Christ watching people not only not being able to conceptualize anything outside of the context of political point scoring but not be able to conceptualize that people exist who are capable of conceptualizing things outside of political point scoring and just assume that's what everybody else is doing too is depressing.

"I keep scoring points against the other side but I don't seem to be winning! I don't understand stand!"
Yeah but what about her emails?
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There was a New York Democratic Representative who suggested it was as well. I'm pro-israel to a point. But this is ridiculous.
I agree, I'm fairly ambivalent towards Israel and a lot of the anti-Israel stuff rings hollow considering the neighbors, on the other hand, labeling the BDS movement as anti-semitic, that's a stretch for sure. Seems more like an effort to silence the opposition by yelling "Racism."
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"I don't understand! I keep listing off people from your side who are wrong and I'm still not winning the discussion! I know! I'll list them off HARDER!"
You're wrong. He thinks he's winning.
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You're wrong. He thinks he's winning.
Like I said in the other thread when basically the "Political Rapture" happens and all politics come to a screeching halt so both sides points can be added up and one side the declared the winner... boy me and you are sure going to look stupid.
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Egypt, for example, isn't under sanctions.



We sell billions of dollars of military equipment to Turkey.
You said hostile nations. Technically, unfortunately, we consider them allies. Now, if you want to say the US should not allow lobbyist, be they from foreign governments or the weapons manufacturers, to sway our policy to the point where we get bogged down choosing sides in regional disputes with no good guys...I'd be with you.




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As a matter of national policy, we don't currently treat Israel worse. But the BDS program is an effort to get us to treat Israel worse than most of its neighbors (the only exception being Syria).
Us? BDS is a boycott by private citizens. They target Israel specifically because 1) Its started by Palestinians 2) Israel gets away with a lot of $%^& we wouldn't let other countries do.

If you told me there was a group similar to BDS but focusing on countries using places like Yemen as a proxy war, I'd be down for that.
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I read what she tweeted and what she wrote and in NO WAY was it antisemitic. Such a joke. Is any criticism about Israel's policies automatically anti-semitic now?
It will always be framed as such yes.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Like I said in the other thread when basically the "Political Rapture" happens and all politics come to a screeching halt so both sides points can be added up and one side the declared the winner... boy me and you are sure going to look stupid.
Yeah, I told you: we have to get in on the game before it's too late!
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God...I hate religion. There is no question that Israel's neighbors have horrible human rights records. But that shouldn't mean that Israel's terrible treatment of the Palestinians should be ignored. And it doesn't make what the Congresswoman said anti-semitic.
It becomes far easier when you stop thinking of the Palestinians at all, hence the goals of ending medical care, electricity service and so on, highly successful ways of dealing with the Palestinian problem.
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You said hostile nations.
No. I said "more hostile". It was a comparative descriptor, not an absolute one.

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Strangely enough, there are none. It's a complete mystery as to why.
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DO NOT CLICK THE LINK IN THE OP

Damn site locked up my computer and tried to give my windows PC a virus; I'm wasting time on a full system scan now.
I've got adblockers, and extensions that don't allow scripts to run on sites unless I specifically say they can. I'm usually pretty safe on any site.
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I had never heard of that particular news source/web site before. So I looked them up on mediabias....

From: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/grabien-news/
Overall, we rate Grabien Right biased based on story selection and sourcing that significantly favors the right. We also rate them borderline Questionable for factual reporting due to failed checks and use of sources that have very poor track records with fact checkers.
I was working under that assumption anyway. It's not that I've got a problem with, it's that it's poorly-written to the point where I can't actually tell exactly what the fuss is supposed to be all about.
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No. I said "more hostile". It was a comparative descriptor, not an absolute one.



Strangely enough, there are none. It's a complete mystery as to why.
So, let's organize one. We can piss off the foreign lobbyists, the defense contractors, and the oil lobbyists.
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From anti-Semitism to blackface to rape allegations to false attack hoaxes, Liberals are doing awesome right now.
Limbaugh Logic: A mixture of fact and fiction followed by a non sequitur.
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I agree, I'm fairly ambivalent towards Israel and a lot of the anti-Israel stuff rings hollow considering the neighbors, on the other hand, labeling the BDS movement as anti-semitic, that's a stretch for sure. Seems more like an effort to silence the opposition by yelling "Racism."
Its not even about Israel per se. Its about a proposed bill that seems would violate First Amendment rights. Its one of many bills that is seemingly pushed by a lobbying group.
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No. I said "more hostile". It was a comparative descriptor, not an absolute one.
And yet your list included allies.
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And yet your list included allies.
Is there really any doubt that Turkey is more hostile to us than Israel? Is that seriously under contention?
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Its not even about Israel per se. Its about a proposed bill that seems would violate First Amendment rights. Its one of many bills that is seemingly pushed by a lobbying group.
And, this particular "anti-semitic tirade" looks more like an anti-Kevin McCarthy tirade: It's an accusation that McCarthy sold his support for the bill.
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Is there really any doubt that Turkey is more hostile to us than Israel? Is that seriously under contention?
You really have a talent to dance around an issue.

No, it's not under contention but they are still allies.
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So ya, a law punishing people for joining a boycott: Ya or nay?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Egypt, for example, isn't under sanctions.
We sell billions of dollars of military equipment to Turkey.

As a matter of national policy, we don't currently treat Israel worse. But the BDS program is an effort to get us to treat Israel worse than most of its neighbors (the only exception being Syria).
Whether we should institute BDS is different than suggesting we should implement it as Anti-semitic. Being against some of Israel's policies does not equal racism. And I find suggesting it to be as a subtle or not so subtle attack on the freedom of speech.
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“Anti-Semitism in any form is unacceptable, and it’s shocking to hear a Member of Congress invoke the anti-Semitic trope of ‘Jewish money’”- House Foreign Affairs Chair Eliot Engel on fellow Democrat committee member Rep. Ilhan Omar

here is a compilation of their various anti-semetic pronouncement over the years

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/0...ing-must-read/

Do they respond to criticism by playing the race card? You know they do!

race grifters gonna grift.
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And, this particular "anti-semitic tirade" looks more like an anti-Kevin McCarthy tirade: It's an accusation that McCarthy sold his support for the bill.
Say it isn't so. A congressman selling his vote?

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race grifters gonna grift.
Aren't race grifters those who accuse others of racism? Isn't that what YOU're doing here?

Take your blue pill.

ETA: I also love how completely partisan the author of that article is. Apparently, one person is indicative that the whole party has "a problem" with anti-semitism. Never mind that we've not seen anything anti-semitic so far.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
here is a compilation of their various anti-semetic pronouncement over the years

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/0...ing-must-read/
Couldn't see what was anti-semetic, or anti-semitic even, there.

Could you clarify?
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Old 11th February 2019, 10:33 AM   #120
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Twitchy is like Breitbart for people who are in a hurry to get their racism.
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