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Old 11th February 2019, 01:01 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
But she worded in a way where it could be easily interpreted as Anti Semitic.
Could you help me out and quote that wording and explain that? I genuinely don't see it.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:02 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Hell, even Pelosi calls her statements anti-Semitic:

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...26564503343104
So? That doesn't mean they ARE. This is NOT an issue that follows the natural Democratic/Republican divide.. I don't support what the Congresswoman is advocating but I don't see it as anti-semitic. People on the Left don't hold universal opinions.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:03 PM   #203
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:03 PM   #204
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Well then you shouldn't be concerned, because you've never actually made an argument.
Oh dear, did you really just wheel out the "I know you are but what am I" rejoinder?

That, sir, is Magnificent!

here is the thing, I did indeed make an argument, it was to rebut claims that this is a partisan issue, because even people in her own party have called them anti-Semitic.

It is called refuting the central point.

Say, didja have a chance to read the article I posted about tone trolling? Might be something y'all might, you know, benefit from?
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"I don't actually think you meant X, I'm just pointed out the way you said it could be seen as X" is... off as an argument.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:04 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
So? That doesn't mean they ARE. This is NOT an issue that follows the natural Democratic/Republican divide.
Yeah that's not gonna get a lot of traction here.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
hey dudalb, y'all gonna learn what an tu quoque fallacy is and stop derailing every single thread with bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but-TRUMPIES.

Seriously, at some point while you are typing that you had to have realized that it has nothing to do with the thread and absolutely nothing at all to do with my post.

Terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome.


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Old 11th February 2019, 01:07 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Saying something louder doesn't make it more true.
Neither is saying it is anti-semitic over and over again.
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Again, that's not the basis for the claim that it was antisemitic. Why do I have to keep pointing out what should be obvious, that her tweets in question have nothing to do with Israeli policies?
Of course it does. And just because the Congresswoman pointed out the money that is involved doesn't make it antisemitic either.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:07 PM   #209
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No
No, I know you've already picked yours. I wasn't talking to you.
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:08 PM   #210
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hey look! Ilhan apologized after being educated about anti-Semitic "tropes"

hopefully someone will be along shortly to explain that citing her apology as evidence that her comments were anti-Semitic is just citing someone from the other 'side' to score points.

Oh the wonderful things we learn from folks who 'elevate' themselves above the "fray."

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Old 11th February 2019, 01:09 PM   #211
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Oh dear, did you really just wheel out the "I know you are but what am I" rejoinder?

That, sir, is Magnificent!

here is the thing, I did indeed make an argument, it was to rebut claims that this is a partisan issue, because even people in her own party have called them anti-Semitic.

It is called refuting the central point.

Say, didja have a chance to read the article I posted about tone trolling? Might be something y'all might, you know, benefit from?
You're adorable.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Neither is saying it is anti-semitic over and over again.
True, except people have done a lot more than that to advance the claim.

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Of course it does.
No, it doesn't. Her tweets in question were about the motivations of American politicians, NOT about any Israeli policy.

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And just because the Congresswoman pointed out the money that is involved doesn't make it antisemitic either.
Again, she did more than just point out the existence of lobbying.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
You're adorable.
And you're off topic.......again
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Yeah that's not gonna get a lot of traction here.
I know. I feel like I'm in the middle on this. I don't agree with the Congresswoman's position but I think it's absurd to call it ant-semitic.
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I know. I feel like I'm in the middle on this. I don't agree with the Congresswoman's position but I think it's absurd to call it ant-semitic.
Jesus Christ do you realize how mean you're being? Look at the sides they're getting the shakes not being able to point score.
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hey look! Ilhan apologized after being educated about anti-Semitic "tropes"

hopefully someone will be along shortly to explain that citing her apology as evidence that her comments were anti-Semitic is just citing someone from the other 'side' to score points.

Oh the wonderful things we learn from folks who 'elevate' themselves above the "fray."
What are you on about? Isn't the above a good thing?
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Old 11th February 2019, 01:18 PM   #217
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Jesus Christ do you realize how mean you're being? Look at the sides they're getting the shakes not being able to point score.
Maybe we need to convince them that a point of the Hind Wing is a point for the left AND the right!
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
True, except people have done a lot more than that to advance the claim.
Not that I can see.

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No, it doesn't. Her tweets in question were about the motivations of American politicians, NOT about any Israeli policy.
So? That doesn't make it antisemitic either.

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Again, she did more than just point out the existence of lobbying.
She said it was about the Benjamins. So? Money in politics...What a shocker! Say it isn't so!
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Omar has apologized and in a meaningful way.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/polit...ash/index.html
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I know. I feel like I'm in the middle on this. I don't agree with the Congresswoman's position but I think it's absurd to call it ant-semitic.
Well, as i literally just showed she herself apologized for it being anti-Semitic, so...

good luck storming the windmills

Uh oh, it is a bi-partisan, non-partisan conclusion that her statement is anti-Semitic! Jesus Christ do I realize how mean I'm being? Look at the content police, they're getting the shakes not being able to pretend this is just black/white point scoring!

Poor content police.
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Well then you shouldn't be concerned, because you've never actually made an argument.
I can't remember the last time TBD made an actual argument.
Insults, yes.
Snide remarks, yes.
Dogmatic statements, yes.
But actual arguments: Not so much.
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Well, as i literally just showed she herself apologized for it being anti-Semitic, so...

good luck storming the windmills

Uh oh, it is a bi-partisan, non-partisan conclusion that her statement is anti-Semitic! Jesus Christ do I realize how mean I'm being? Look at the content police, they're getting the shakes not being able to pretend this is just black/white point scoring!

Poor content police.
Oh come on I demand you make up a meaningless term you'll then run into a the ground. Can't I be a green-piller or content grifter?

I'll word is using "so" so it's easier for you.
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Not that I can see.
I can't help you there. Either you read the arguments, or you don't.

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So? That doesn't make it antisemitic either.
I didn't say that makes it antisemitic. But it does mean your attempted defense of it in that post is irrelevant.
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Oh come on I demand you make up a meaningless term you'll then run into a the ground. Can't I be a green-piller or content grifter?

I'll word is using "so" so it's easier for you.
Huh, that is curious, that is the second content free post attacking me, yet not even trying to address the thread topic, the links I have cited or basically anything substantive at all.

Quite curious, indeed.

Did you read the article I posted yet? I gotta bunch more.

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Make it not about what the author said but how he said it: too angry, too arrogant, etc. Again, this does not point out why the argument is wrong. Even an arrogantly stated argument can be right."
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Well, as i literally just showed she herself apologized for it being anti-Semitic, so...

good luck storming the windmills

Uh oh, it is a bi-partisan, non-partisan conclusion that her statement is anti-Semitic! Jesus Christ do I realize how mean I'm being? Look at the content police, they're getting the shakes not being able to pretend this is just black/white point scoring!

Poor content police.
I still disagree. I think it just shows how powerful the Jewish lobby is. I think we see this over and over again on not just this issue but on others. People get sensitive about racial issues and they apologize just because it is expedient.
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I can't help you there. Either you read the arguments, or you don't.
I read the arguments. They amount to the same in my view.

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I didn't say that makes it antisemitic. But it does mean your attempted defense of it in that post is irrelevant.
I don't follow you at all then. You could say everyone's posts are irrelevant then.
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I don't follow you at all then.
Evidently not.

Look, it's not actually complicated. Saying that criticism of Israel isn't antisemitic is irrelevant, because she wasn't criticizing Israel, and nobody was saying her tweets were antisemitic because of any criticism of Israel.
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Could you help me out and quote that wording and explain that? I genuinely don't see it.
it has been explained to you time and time again here.
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I still disagree. I think it just shows how powerful the Jewish lobby is. I think we see this over and over again on not just this issue but on others. People get sensitive about racial issues and they apologize just because it is expedient.
the, um, what lobby?

Hmm, I think I am getting a hint why you "think it's absurd to call it ant-semitic (sic)"
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I still disagree. I think it just shows how powerful the Jewish lobby is.
And why is it so powerful? Because of all that Jew gold? Or because voters actually support Israel?

Hint:
The real reason is the latter, but Omar is claiming it's the former.
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Omar has apologized and in a meaningful way.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/polit...ash/index.html
Ok, she has done her mea culpa.
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it has been explained to you time and time again here.
The (sadly way too common) historical trend of conspiracies involving Jews and controlling the world via money can't put all discussion of the money involved in the politics of Israel into the "Verboten because it sounds like the conspiracy theories" category.

Saying we can't use any language that sounds anything like the sad old "The Jews and their gold" nonsense kind of hamstrings a lot of discussions unfairly.
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The (sadly way too common) historical trend of conspiracies involving Jews and controlling the world via money can't put all discussion of the money involved in the politics of Israel into the "Verboten because it sounds like the conspiracy theories" category.

Saying we can't use any language that sounds anything like the sad old "The Jews and their gold" nonsense kind of hamstrings a lot of discussions unfairly.
"The (sadly way too common) historical trend of conspiracies involving Jews and controlling the world via money can't put all discussion of the money involved in the politics of JEWISH LOBBY into the "Verboten because it sounds like the conspiracy theories" category.

Saying we can't use any language that sounds anything like the sad old "The Jews and their gold" nonsense kind of hamstrings a lot of discussions about the JEWISH LOBBY unfairly."

Fixed that right up in a jiffy for you!
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Well, as i literally just showed she herself apologized for it being anti-Semitic, so...

good luck storming the windmills

Uh oh, it is a bi-partisan, non-partisan conclusion that her statement is anti-Semitic! Jesus Christ do I realize how mean I'm being? Look at the content police, they're getting the shakes not being able to pretend this is just black/white point scoring!

Poor content police.
What are you blabbering about?
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Old 11th February 2019, 02:20 PM   #235
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
That has not been the case on this forum.
I've heard Rush Limbaugh refer to the party as Democrat rather than Democratic. In the show I listened to he did it the entire time, so I'll bet that's where it comes from, or how it is perpetuated maybe.

I wouldn't have noticed it though if not for the forum. Does anyone really think your average American would catch that? Not me.

I rarely listen to him btw, he's all show. He's a smart guy, a little too smart to actually believe everything he says I think. I can hear the tongue stuck in his cheek sometimes.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
it has been explained to you time and time again here.
I'm asking you because you strike me as more reasonable than some of the other posters here. Don't prove me wrong.

What I've been told, so far, is that she brought up the idea that the Jews are funneling money to politicians to promote Israel's agenda. That's not anti-semitic, in addition to not being controversial that political interest groups would do that, so no joy. Also apparently the Benjamins refers to Netanyahu. Again, not anti-semitic.

What else am I missing? So far there is nothing antisemitic, except the notion that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
the, um, what lobby?

Hmm, I think I am getting a hint why you "think it's absurd to call it ant-semitic (sic)"
See what I mean? One can't even suggest that people are lobbying for Israel's interests without being called an anti-semite, an obvious slur to shut someone up.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The (sadly way too common) historical trend of conspiracies involving Jews and controlling the world via money can't put all discussion of the money involved in the politics of Israel into the "Verboten because it sounds like the conspiracy theories" category.

Saying we can't use any language that sounds anything like the sad old "The Jews and their gold" nonsense kind of hamstrings a lot of discussions unfairly.
Right. Like, one could say that the far-left uses a lot of accusations of racism and sexism lately, but that's no excuse to dismiss racism and sexism as myths.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
hey dudalb, y'all gonna learn what an tu quoque fallacy is and stop derailing every single thread with bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-but-TRUMPIES.

Seriously, at some point while you are typing that you had to have realized that it has nothing to do with the thread and absolutely nothing at all to do with my post.

Terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome.

He did this since the late Dubya era though. His real hate figure is STALIN.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I'm asking you because you strike me as more reasonable than some of the other posters here. Don't prove me wrong.

What I've been told, so far, is that she brought up the idea that the Jews are funneling money to politicians to promote Israel's agenda. That's not anti-semitic, in addition to not being controversial that political interest groups would do that, so no joy. Also apparently the Benjamins refers to Netanyahu. Again, not anti-semitic.

What else am I missing? So far there is nothing antisemitic, except the notion that any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.
What else you're missing is the idea that money is the only reason politicians are doing that. It can't be because they think it's the right thing to do, it can't be because that's what their voters want. It can only be because of the money.
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