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Old 13th February 2019, 10:41 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Can someone tell me, who has the first post in this (new) thread? Apparently, it is someone on my ignore list, so I can't see the thread without going to the old one and clicking the link to the new one.
It's Not Done to discuss ignore lists. You'll have to remove your entries one by one until you can see this thread to determine that. But I can't see why you'd bother.

Eta: I'm reminded of what the devil said when shearing a pig: 'much noise, little wool'.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:43 AM   #202
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Someone who wouldn't be a usual candidate for that - Belz...
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Someone who wouldn't be a usual candidate for that - Belz...
Huh? Candidate for what now?

ETA: If you mean for the ignore list (sarcastically or not), I'm sure I'm a prime candidate for many. I am admittedly adversarial.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:49 AM   #204
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Remember when Trump didn't leave the white house during the shutdown? Serendipitously the golf simulator at the white house was upgraded during that time at his expense.

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President Trump has installed a room-sized “golf simulator” game at the White House, which allows him to play virtual rounds at courses all over the world by hitting a ball into a large video screen, according to two people told about the system.

That system replaced an older, less sophisticated golf simulator that had been installed under President Obama, according to two people with knowledge of the previous system.

Trump’s system cost about $50,000, and was put in during the last few weeks in a room in his personal quarters, a White House official said.

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss details of the president’s private residence, said Trump had paid for the new system and the installation personally.
Now he can golf and rage tweet Faux News at the same executive time.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:51 AM   #205
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They can't just get him a Wii?
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:52 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Remember when Trump didn't leave the white house during the shutdown? Serendipitously the golf simulator at the white house was upgraded during that time at his expense.



Now he can golf and rage tweet Faux News at the same executive time.
Remember when he complained about Obama golfing? Sounds like a lifetime ago.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:53 AM   #207
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True. They just get convicted of trying to cover up their contacts with Russia.
Having contacts with Russia was a regular part of Flynn's job.

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Trump Jr. will probably get indicted for lying to congress about his meetings
Promises, promises.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:53 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Remember when Trump didn't leave the white house during the shutdown? Serendipitously the golf simulator at the white house was upgraded during that time at his expense.



Now he can golf and rage tweet Faux News at the same executive time.
I'm surprised

He actually spent some of his own money?
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Remember when Trump didn't leave the white house during the shutdown? Serendipitously the golf simulator at the white house was upgraded during that time at his expense.



Now he can golf and rage tweet Faux News at the same executive time.
This is even less justified than Pruit's phone booth.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:54 AM   #210
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Remember when he complained about Obama golfing? Sounds like a lifetime ago.
I'd love to see a side by comparison of Fox's coverage of Obama's golfing vs Trump's.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
I'm surprised

He actually spent some of his own money?
Yeah that's what caught my attention, too.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:55 AM   #212
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
This is even less justified than Pruit's phone booth.
Plenty of presidents have installed recreation equipment. Trump's timing for when he wasn't able to travel to his courses is quite a tell.
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Remember when Trump didn't leave the white house during the shutdown? Serendipitously the golf simulator at the white house was upgraded during that time at his expense.



Now he can golf and rage tweet Faux News at the same executive time.
More importantly, can he cheat while playing simulated golf?
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More importantly, can he cheat while playing simulated golf?
Difficult to say now that Hope Hicks is no longer around.
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Old 13th February 2019, 11:10 AM   #215
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More importantly, can he cheat while playing simulated golf?
He is a rampant save scummer.
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Old 13th February 2019, 11:48 AM   #216
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
More importantly, can he cheat while playing simulated golf?
As long as you have the cheat code.
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Old 13th February 2019, 11:50 AM   #217
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On Monday night, President Donald Trump held a rally in El Paso, Texas. He chose the location based on his claim, delivered in last week’s State of the Union address, that a border wall had rescued the city from rampant crime. By the time Trump arrived, fact-checkers had demolished this lie, pointing out that the wall had no effect. But Trump told his followers to dismiss the numbers and trust him instead. And they did, because this is a measurable fact about Trump supporters: They’re willing to reject all other sources of information—crime statistics, intelligence agencies, even conservative media—when the president tells them to do so.
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Does he have a reason to suspect to look there or is he fishing? Seems wrong to invade an aspect of someone's life unrelated to your case.
You can't be serious.
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Old 13th February 2019, 12:06 PM   #220
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Having contacts with Russia was a regular part of Flynn's job.
That job had not started yet and he was still required to report contacts before and after it did start. There is no exception to this. Lying after the fact is still a crime. Had he reported the contact he would not have had an issue. There is no legal reason for him to first not report and then lie about the contact.

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Promises, promises.
You do realize that the government just indicted somebody who defected to Iran 6 years ago. They are not in a hurry here either.
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I'm saying all of that is true. What I'm saying is the fact he did that does not support the explanation "to cover up collusion" more than any other possible reason.
Present a better reason. Otherwise stop pretending you have a point.
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Just in case anyone here thinks that Republican senators are starting to break with Trump....

From: https://www.vox.com/2019/2/13/182205...trump-nominees
Senate Republicans want to change the rules so they can push through more of Trump’s judicial and administrative nominees...

The rule changes involve reducing the time that a particular nominee can be discussed.

So for all the claims that "The shutdown vote shows Republicans are breaking with Trump"... no, they aren't. In fact they are trying to enable him to do more damage. Much, much more damage.
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Just in case anyone here thinks that Republican senators are starting to break with Trump....

From: https://www.vox.com/2019/2/13/182205...trump-nominees
Senate Republicans want to change the rules so they can push through more of Trump’s judicial and administrative nominees...

The rule changes involve reducing the time that a particular nominee can be discussed.

So for all the claims that "The shutdown vote shows Republicans are breaking with Trump"... no, they aren't. In fact they are trying to enable him to do more damage. Much, much more damage.
You think Trump is making those judicial nominees? He put Pence in charge of that. Yes, Trump may be making the final decision...maybe. But they are pulling from the Federalist list.
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They can't just get him a Wii?
Get the man a holo-suite!
Quark has some great programs he'll enjoy.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Having contacts with Russia was a regular part of Flynn's job.


Nice Deflection!
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Huh. Turns out that Trump directs the Tennessee Valley Authority to use a coal plant operated by Asshat Murray, who donated 300k to Trump's inaugural campaign way after the end of the festivities.

Maybe Trump's whole plan is to destroy the US government. Far-right conservatives have been wanting to crush the size of government for decades. Discrediting the government by blatant corruption might help do that.
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Good point. Bad evidence is still evidence.
It does look like a number of folks want to make the argument that only the direct indictments count as evidence. This is a distinctly dishonest position for a number of reasons, not least because of the fact that the relatively safe bet is that any indictments directly dealing with to collusion are likely to drop, all at once, when that part of the investigation is considered finished. There's a LOT of more direct evidence in the public domain, as it is. There's also the note that the people Trump picked have pointedly held the position that Trump cannot be indicted because he's the President and unindicted people should be left out of what's publicly released, which makes relying on that as a basis very shaky there, too.
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Looks as if Donnie is going to sign the budget...at least at this minute. He has gotten sort of an OK from President Limbaugh, but President Coulter is yet to be heard from.
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Huh. Turns out that Trump directs the Tennessee Valley Authority to use a coal plant operated by Asshat Murray, who donated 300k to Trump's inaugural campaign way after the end of the festivities.

Maybe Trump's whole plan is to destroy the US government. Far-right conservatives have been wanting to crush the size of government for decades. Discrediting the government by blatant corruption might help do that.
Which fits in well with Putin's plans to discredit Democracy as well....
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It does look like a number of folks want to make the argument that only the direct indictments count as evidence.
It's the whole "In Mens Rea" thing the Miscarriage of Justice fandom has gotten all up in their panties about, this hyper-focus on something not being a crime unless you can prove in their heart of hearts the 100% complete intent of committing the crime.

So yeah some people are going to yell foul until we get a video of Trump signing a notarized document where he sells the US to Russia.
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Which fits in well with Putin's plans to discredit Democracy as well....
You wouldn't be suggesting that there's some sort of... link, or... connection.. a collusion, if you will, between the two?
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You wouldn't be suggesting that there's some sort of... link, or... connection.. a collusion, if you will, between the two?
SEMANTICS! *Flips the table over*

Trump ordered a hamburger with cheese, he did NOT order a cheeseburger.
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They can't just get him a Wii?
Word is he's into that...
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SEMANTICS! *Flips the table over*

Trump ordered a hamburger with cheese, he did NOT order a cheeseburger.
Now you're straining credulity. There is no possible situation where Trump orders only a single burger.
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That job had not started yet
Yes it had. Contacts with foreign governments are perfectly normal during the transition period before inauguration.

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and he was still required to report contacts before and after it did start.
He didn't get in legal trouble for not reporting contacts.

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Lying after the fact is still a crime.
True. But it still doesn't constitute collaboration with the Russians. It especially doesn't constitute collaboration with the Russians to affect the election because, you know, that whole no time travel thing.
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He didn't get in legal trouble for not reporting contacts.


So? Are you unfamiliar with how plea bargains work?
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So? Are you unfamiliar with how plea bargains work?
Of course they mean that retroactively all the other crimes one committed were totally legal, like when he was planning the kidnapping of a US resident on behalf of a foreign power, totally legal.
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No one in the administration has been indicted, let alone convicted, of any collusion with the Russians.
They plead guilty to a lesser crime. Usually whay happens with a plea deal. Mueller is working his way up the hill to the top.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No one in the administration has been indicted, let alone convicted, of any collusion with the Russians.
When it comes to members of an administration or campaign pleading guilty to crimes, is the current count above average for the first two years?
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