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Old 15th February 2019, 07:48 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Second Point: Trump's vanity project would spend 90% of the border security budget in an attempt to fix less than 10% of the problem, meanwhile, the place where 90% of the problems are gets cuts and lacks resources.
Let's not forget that Trump has already announced the Trump Wall as 100% effective, so once it's built there'll be no need for anything more. No going back to investigate and ameliorate actual problems and solutions because there will no longer be any problems. Trump has said so, and so it shall be.
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Old 15th February 2019, 07:57 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
Let's not forget that Trump has already announced the Trump Wall as 100% effective, so once it's built there'll be no need for anything more. No going back to investigate and ameliorate actual problems and solutions because there will no longer be any problems. Trump has said so, and so it shall be.
Maybe we should believe him. After all, he has already saved us from a second Great Depression and catastrophic war with NK.
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Old 15th February 2019, 09:13 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by chrispy View Post
How about all of his critics being liars. All of the criticism of the border wall being lies. "Liars to the right of me, liars to the left of me..."
"Here I am, stuck in the middle with GRU."

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And taken together they spell "CANT." Sorry Donald, you can't have your Great Wall of Trump.
Kind of a shame Utah isn't further south.

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Relax. Think of it more like a drinking game.
We're getting boofed all right...
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Old 16th February 2019, 02:15 AM   #204
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Trump ripped for plan to steal military funds for his wall by GOP Armed Forces Committee members


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“Republican members of the Armed Services Committee and the Appropriations Committee are probably going to set themselves on fire over this,” former Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA), who chaired the House Military Construction-VA Appropriations Subcommittee, said on CNN, Politico notes. “This is just a slap in the face to Congress and their power of the purse.”
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Rep. Mike Turner of Ohio, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Strategic Forces Subcommittee, called Trump’s move a ‘dangerous precedent’ and warned “securing our border should not be done at the expense of previously funded military construction projects,
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Turner and four other House Republicans — Richard Hudson of North Carolina, Tom Cole of Oklahoma, Chris Collins of New York and Doug Lamborn of Colorado — warned Trump against siphoning off military construction funds in a letter last week, citing “aging infrastructure challenges which undermine the readiness and lethality” of the military.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/gop...ary-funds-wall
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Old 16th February 2019, 05:24 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump ripped for plan to steal military funds for his wall by GOP Armed Forces Committee members








https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/gop...ary-funds-wall
The important point the thing in the Whitehouse might be forgetting here is, those construction projects are supposed to happen in someone's district. There's only one Republican congressional district on the border.
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Old 16th February 2019, 05:26 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I think Pence would be a danger in a different way, but I don't know that he'd burn the world down to make a buck, like Trump seems to be eager to do.
For all I know, he might destroy it just to bring Jesus back.
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Old 16th February 2019, 05:54 AM   #207
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Analysis: weak rambling (though not as feeble minded as I had him)
A Weak and Rambling President Declares a Fake National Emergency

“It would have been great to have done it earlier. But I was a little new to the job, a little new to the profession. And we had a little disappointment for the first year and a half. People that should have stepped up did not step up. But we’re stepping up now.” Take that, Paul Ryan!

This official unveiling of the former House Speaker as Trump’s 2020 whipping boy didn’t come as a surprise. Neither did the declaration of a national emergency. Trump has been threatening to make this move for months, and Mitch McConnell, the Majority Leader in the Senate, had announced his intentions from the Senate floor on Thursday afternoon. Earlier on Thursday, according to a tick-tock by the Washington Post, Trump was still threatening to veto the bipartisan spending deal that allotted $1.375 billion...

....Trump dodged the question and called CNN “fake news.” The next questioner, Playboy’s Brian Karem, followed up Acosta’s question and asked Trump to say where he gets his figures. “I get my numbers from a lot of sources, like Homeland Security, primarily,” Trump replied. “And the numbers that I have from Homeland Security are a disaster.”

...used to be a saying: “Let Reagan be Reagan.” In the Trump Administration such a statement would be entirely redundant. The President lets it all hang out: the incoherence, the fabrications, the mendacity, the raging but delicate ego, the attention-deficit disorder, and, occasionally, the revealing shards of self-illumination. He can’t help himself.
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Old 16th February 2019, 10:07 AM   #208
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@DanRather tweeted: "The Constitution should not be considered a mere speed bump in the path of a reckless driver."
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Old 16th February 2019, 12:27 PM   #209
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I think they are not calling for assdination per se but armed resistence to a tyranny...you know,how this country got started?

Assdination would be overkill. They'll have to settle for half assdination.
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Old 16th February 2019, 12:54 PM   #210
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@DanRather tweeted: "The Constitution should not be considered a mere speed bump in the path of a reckless driver."
Well, if the driver's going fast enough, a speedbump is all you need to stop him.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Bit off topic, but I wonder how Pence's wife really feels about Pence meeting women in private.



I mean, its a really dump rule that he has. (Does he honestly think every woman he meets would be all over him, if only she could get him in a private meeting.) I just wonder if his wife agrees with the rule, or whether Pence is doing it on his own initiative and his wife doesn't care.
He must know he can't be trusted with women. Whilst that is great in terms of self awareness and protecting women from him I would have thought it be a character flaw that would have meant he was not suited for public office.
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Old 16th February 2019, 01:27 PM   #212
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He must know he can't be trusted with women. Whilst that is great in terms of self awareness and protecting women from him I would have thought it be a character flaw that would have meant he was not suited for public office.
I'm thinking that, as a Fundamentalist Christian, he views women as immoral seductresses who can't control themselves. If he were to be left alone with such a vile temptress he would be powerless to resist... Best to just avoid temptation altogether...
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Old 16th February 2019, 01:46 PM   #213
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I'm thinking that, as a Fundamentalist Christian, he views women as immoral seductresses who can't control themselves. If he were to be left alone with such a vile temptress he would be powerless to resist... Best to just avoid temptation altogether...

Hahahahahaha!
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Old 16th February 2019, 01:52 PM   #214
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I'm thinking that, as a Fundamentalist Christian, he views women as immoral seductresses who can't control themselves. If he were to be left alone with such a vile temptress he would be powerless to resist... Best to just avoid temptation altogether...
Un-chaperoned women are just asking for it.
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Old 16th February 2019, 03:06 PM   #215
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IT WON'T WORK

Walls by themselves DO NOT WORK. In order for walls to work, they must be heavily guarded and patrolled throughout their entire length, otherwise people will go around them (by swimming or boating) over them (by microlight) or under them (by tunnelling). There are numerous recorded incidences of all of the above. There are also recorded instances of drug smugglers using drones to get drugs over the border. They may even go through the wall (a power diamond concrete/steel cutter in a remote location). Therefore, rather than "freeing up resources" they will actually take more resources. The drugs will still get in through tunnels and through ports of entry and via the Gulf of Mexico in boats and drug submarines.

However, if you take that $5-8 billion Trump wants for his white elephant vanity project, you could build a gold-plated, state-of-the-art electronic frontier with, hidden sensors and observation posts covering every inch of the border, even in places where building a wall is physically impossible.

Do you know how I know this will work? Its because it already has, right there in the USA. There are two places protected by just such electronic frontiers - Area 51 and Dugway Proving grounds. In over 50 years, very few people, if any have ever been able to get into them, and those that have were caught almost immediately.

The addition of surveillance drones to a US Mexico electronic frontier would make it even more secure.

Problem is that we will be left right where we are currently - taking them into custody, which costs a lot of money. They eventually get released into the country and some will maybe go to their court hearing - two years later. The rest remain unaccounted for.

If sensors or patrols catch them that means they are already here.

Unless we start driving them back to the border and kicking them out on the spot (which is what we should do), keeping them from getting in at all is the desired result. If they can't cross the barrier then the only choices are to keep trying or turn back.

If we start kicking them out instead then no, we don't need a wall. But if we continue this catch-and-release crap then ya I want a damn barrier because this is not working.

Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs.

I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is.

Idiot lawmakers in Cali are happy to give away drivers licenses, health care, voting rights (in SF). I see no sign of that changing, so if they won't do the right thing we need a asterisking wall.

Again, if you want to avoid a wall then the people in charge need to start giving a crap. Sanctuary state? Uh no I don't think so - build the f'n wall.
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Old 16th February 2019, 03:08 PM   #216
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I'm thinking that, as a Fundamentalist Christian, he views women as immoral seductresses who can't control themselves. If he were to be left alone with such a vile temptress he would be powerless to resist... Best to just avoid temptation altogether...
Exactly right.
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I think somebody just does not like having to live with people with brown skins....

Not aimed at You, trebuchet....
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Old 16th February 2019, 03:12 PM   #218
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I live in southern Arizona. They're already here. They were here before 1912 when the territory became a state. And they were here before the USA wrested the land from Spain. It was their home already.

Which has nothing to do with anything. And you're wrong.
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Old 16th February 2019, 03:16 PM   #219
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Let's not get sidetracked.
The issue is not if the wall is a good idea or a bad one,but that,good or bad,Trump is choosing a reckless and dangerous end run around the Constituion to get it.
I would be equally opposed if a Democratic President tried this to get project that he liked and congress turned down funded.
Let's stick to the main issue, folks.
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
The only reason they are supplying is that people are buying.

Well then as long as people are buying drugs let's let them flow! Great point! Great thread!
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Well then as long as people are buying drugs let's let them flow! Great point! Great thread!
There is a deep sickness in the American psyche that needs mountains of drugs. Let's ignore that and build a wall.
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Problem is that we will be left right where we are currently - taking them into custody, which costs a lot of money. They eventually get released into the country and some will maybe go to their court hearing - two years later. The rest remain unaccounted for.
So...what? Shoot them on sight and save a lot of expense? Why do you need a wall for that? Just make it open season on illegals with a year-round hunting license, and I'm sure all the gun-happies will be glad to contribute some time.

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If sensors or patrols catch them that means they are already here.
If they climb/fly/tunnel the wall they are already here.

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Unless we start driving them back to the border and kicking them out on the spot (which is what we should do), keeping them from getting in at all is the desired result. If they can't cross the barrier then the only choices are to keep trying or turn back.
You've hit the main point. Problem is, the wall is NO BARRIER. It's pretty much useless to accomplish this specific task. Tens of billions would be spent on a project that is not going to achieve its design purpose. The old term for this was a white elephant. There are Misappropriation Committees (Ways and Means?) that will have a field day excoriating anyone who pushed this on the US public.

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If we start kicking them out instead then no, we don't need a wall. But if we continue this catch-and-release crap then ya I want a damn barrier because this is not working.
Does your wall stop boats? Trains? Or airline passengers?

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Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs.
Their imagination is a lot bigger and better than yours.

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I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is.
That's right. Give me your huddled masses yearning to be free. We will throw them right back where they came from.

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Idiot lawmakers in Cali are happy to give away drivers licenses, health care, voting rights (in SF). I see no sign of that changing, so if they won't do the right thing we need a asterisking wall.
Repeating falsehoods doesn't help your case.

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Again, if you want to avoid a wall then the people in charge need to start giving a crap. Sanctuary state? Uh no I don't think so - build the f'n wall.
Have you invested in a concrete and steel firm specialising in barriers?
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Old 16th February 2019, 04:02 PM   #223
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Problem is that we will be left right where we are currently - taking them into custody, which costs a lot of money.
Which part of "most illegals come through roads, ports and airports" is causing you comprehension issues?
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Which part of "most illegals come through roads, ports and airports" is causing you comprehension issues?
The part that requires thought intead of anger.
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And things that would work, sensor networks, increased funding and training to border patrol, even some limited physical barriers in some areas are and have always been on the table. They just don't matter because "The Wall" is such a symbolic part of Trump's persona he can't budge on it.

There's countless compromise solutions that would actually improve security along our borders and other points on entry that would be readily accepted by all sides if one petulant man-child wasn't letting it represent his manhood.

When the CATO Institute and the ACLU are both against something, it's probably a bad idea.
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And things that would work, sensor networks, increased funding and training to border patrol, even some limited physical barriers in some areas are and have always been on the table. They just don't matter because "The Wall" is such a symbolic part of Trump's persona he can't budge on it.

There's countless compromise solutions that would actually improve security along our borders and other points on entry that would be readily accepted by all sides if one petulant man-child wasn't letting it represent his manhood.

When the CATO Institute and the ACLU are both against something, it's probably a bad idea.
Now those are two strange bedfellows.
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Now those are two strange bedfellows.
Trump's making a lot of those. Closest thing I can find to a silver lining in this fever dream.
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What would work would be to have well-staffed embassies in origin countries and make it easy for those who qualify to get refugee status.
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Well then as long as people are buying drugs let's let them flow! Great point! Great thread!
Why do you hate capitalism? As long as people are buying drugs there will be enraptures out there to supply them.
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Old 16th February 2019, 08:47 PM   #230
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If Donny Q.* ever gets his hands on that big hunka money, count on two things:

1. The Great Wall will never be built.

2. Every cent of those billions will be stolen, peculated, and boondoggled away, some into Donny's own pockets, and much of it into the pockets of the guys who own him.

* For Quisling. What else?
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Old 16th February 2019, 08:47 PM   #231
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
What would work would be to have well-staffed embassies in origin countries and make it easy for those who qualify to get refugee status.
Oh come on man think. How are we going to Mexico to pay for our embassies?
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Old 16th February 2019, 09:08 PM   #232
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Crossing a barrier by other means will be more difficult and more expensive for the criminals, which makes it more expensive for anyone who wants to pay a Coyote to get them here. I doubt the cartels will clog their tunnels with people when they can make a lot more money sneaking in drugs.
Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.

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I'm open to any workable solution though. It seems like the folks in power, both sides, really don't want to slow the flow of illegal aliens. That's where the real problem is.
Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand.
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Old 16th February 2019, 11:43 PM   #233
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
He must know he can't be trusted with women. Whilst that is great in terms of self awareness and protecting women from him I would have thought it be a character flaw that would have meant he was not suited for public office.

Using the last few years as a baseline, I think we can safely conclude that there is no such thing as a character flaw that would have meant someone was not suited for public office.

As long as they are Republicans, of course.
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Old 16th February 2019, 11:44 PM   #234
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.



Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand.

It isn't failure, it's refusal.
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Old 16th February 2019, 11:51 PM   #235
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
It isn't failure, it's refusal.
Which begs the question: WHY the refusal to understand?

There's gotta be some kind of emotional payoff. That's all I can figure.
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Old 17th February 2019, 12:01 AM   #236
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Let's not get sidetracked.
The issue is not if the wall is a good idea or a bad one,but that,good or bad,Trump is choosing a reckless and dangerous end run around the Constituion to get it.
I would be equally opposed if a Democratic President tried this to get project that he liked and congress turned down funded.
Let's stick to the main issue, folks.
This is very threatening for American democracy. Trump and his cult is expecting this to go to the SCOTUS where they expect that they'll rule in Trump's favor. I find it very possible that it could happen, since there are 2 appointed Trump loyalists on the SCOTUS bench and, of the other 3 conservatives, only Roberts has some semblance of a spine to stand up against his own party's authoritarian leanings.
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Old 17th February 2019, 02:01 AM   #237
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https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/s...08211343540225

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That's right, it's one of those "national emergencies" where the country is being "invaded" but you as president haven't checked in with your Defense Secretary
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Originally Posted by Toontown View Post
Which begs the question: WHY the refusal to understand?



There's gotta be some kind of emotional payoff. That's all I can figure.
It's called "staying on message". Normal political crap. Just completely ignore everything they isn't what you want to say to your audience.
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Old 17th February 2019, 05:41 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Which part of "the vast majority of drugs enter the United States through ports of entry" to you fail to understand.


Which part of "the vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States came in legally through ports of entry and are illegal because they overstayed their visas" do you fail to understand.
I'm guessing the part where the above proves that Trump is a lying idiot?
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Of course if there was a desire to actually stop illegal immigration maybe stop handing out exemptions from the e-verify system to states that use lots of seasonal migrant labour? But I guess that would be too hard.
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