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Old 27th February 2019, 10:07 AM   #81
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The behavior of the Republicans is politically damaging. I'm sure the only people approving then after this will be the shrinking base.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:07 AM   #82
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Michael Cohen was referred to the FBI for FARA violations. Well with a clinton grifter like davis "representing' "him" I am sure he will be fine.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:08 AM   #83
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Well, I've got to make tea now, and they've just called a break. I'll probably not be able to watch any more live, which is a shame. This has truly been great fun.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:11 AM   #84
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Boy, did that "liar" meme/poster backfire on the congressman (Paul Gosar?) who displayed it.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:12 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Michael Cohen was referred to the FBI for FARA violations. Well with a clinton grifter like davis "representing' "him" I am sure he will be fine.
Funny how his contract has the bit about lobbying crossed out and initialled by Cohen.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:13 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Michael Cohen was referred to the FBI for FARA violations. Well with a clinton grifter like davis "representing' "him" I am sure he will be fine.
Uh oh.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:19 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Gosar has just attacked Cohen for being disloyal to Trump.
That was funny. MSNBC is putting up info on each questioner, and for Gosar they noted that his own children backed his opponent in the election.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:20 AM   #88
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Trump supporters response to Cohen's testimony:

"Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:20 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Indeed so.

I am constantly amazed and disgusted by how the Tumptards actually do know just how horrible Trump really is, and yet the Trumptards simply keep on supporting Trump.

I guess it is like Lincoln once famously said:

"You can fool some of the people all of the time."
They're not fooled. They just don't care.
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When Trump called on the Russians to "find Hilary Clinton's emails", it now seems obvious that he already knew they had been hacked, and that Wikileaks was in possession of them... that is very big!
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:22 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
When Trump called on the Russians to "find Hilary Clinton's emails", it now seems obvious that he already knew they had been hacked, and that Wikileaks was in possession of them... that is very big!
It always struck me as weird that the Russians would respond to his request with the hack, rather than it being the other way around.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:23 AM   #92
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That was funny. MSNBC is putting up info on each questioner, and for Gosar they noted that his own children backed his opponent in the election.
well that is totally false, you sure that was what they wrote?
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:26 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
well that is totally false, you sure that was what they wrote?
Six Siblings of a Republican Congressman Endorse His Opponent in Campaign Ads

Sorry, it was his "siblings" -- brothers and sisters.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:28 AM   #94
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When Trump called on the Russians to "find Hilary Clinton's emails", it now seems obvious that he already knew they had been hacked, and that Wikileaks was in possession of them... that is very big!
Hillary Clinton's emails were hacked? Wow, do tell....
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:31 AM   #95
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Six Siblings of a Republican Congressman Endorse His Opponent in Campaign Ads

Sorry, it was his "siblings" -- brothers and sisters.
yeah, his family is infected with a bunch of lib-style grifters. Sad.
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yeah, his family is infected with a bunch of lib-style grifters. Sad.
They ratted on Gosar.
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If Cohen writes a book and it gets out soon, I will buy my first Trump book. But if we are done with Trump, no books for me after that.

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Whether he was lying before or he's lying now Cohen is clearly an unprincipled POS, which doesn't say a lot for the judgement of the man who hired him as his personal attorney. Even if one was willing to believe that Trump knew nothing about all the shady deals members of his staff and other employees were engaged in you have to conclude he's a terrible judge of character, which probably explains why he keeps getting suckered by the North Koreans.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
yeah, his family is infected with a bunch of lib-style grifters. Sad.
Bluepilled grifter rats!
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They ratted on Gosar.
That is not really the correct way to look at it.

They grifted Gosar because they suffer from TDS, and their mother took them to the woodshed for it.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:39 AM   #101
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Whether he was lying before or he's lying now Cohen is clearly an unprincipled POS, which doesn't say a lot for the judgement of the man who hired him as his personal attorney. Even if one was willing to believe that Trump knew nothing about all the shady deals members of his staff and other employees were engaged in you have to conclude he's a terrible judge of character, which probably explains why he keeps getting suckered by the North Koreans.
GOP trying to pretend that the problem of cooperating witness testimony is something brand new. Cooperating witnesses are always scumbags, because if they weren't scumbags, they wouldn't be in a position to inform on their scumbag colleagues in exchange for leniency.

The GOP can keep falling onto their fainting couches about Cohen being a criminal, the rest of us are ready to move forward.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:40 AM   #102
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yeah, his family is infected with a bunch of lib-style grifters. Sad.
So you went from "well that is totally false" to this.

Normally, when someone makes a statement like you did, and then implicitly acknowledges that it isn't totally false, they acknowledge the previous comment.
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So you went from "well that is totally false" to this.

Normally, when someone makes a statement like you did, and then implicitly acknowledges that it isn't totally false, they acknowledge the previous comment.
Normally, when someone makes a statement like you did, they actually read the posts and realize that what was originally said was indeed totally false.

I don't expect an apology, but an explanation to the thread would be appropriate.
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Amen, he is a total disgrace to the legal profession, he is waiving attorney client privilege...
Attorney client privilege does not apply in cases here a lawyer and his client are co-conspirators in a crime.

Not that Cohen was a "good lawyer" in the first place, just that attorney-client privilege likely does not apply here.
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Old 27th February 2019, 10:49 AM   #105
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Normally, when someone makes a statement like you did, they actually read the posts and realize that what was originally said was indeed totally false.

I don't expect an apology, but an explanation to the thread would be appropriate.
It wasn't totally false. It was partially false. He did have a set of close blood relatives turn against him, it just identified the wrong relatives. It would be totally false if it also got the turn against him part wrong.
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Gosar just suggested that Cohen is lying to reduce his sentence, and Cohen replied that he knows of now way that appearing in front of Congress would give the SDNY information they don't already have, but if anybody in Congress thinks they can help reduce his sentence he'd gladly accept it.
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Mark Green asked Cohen where he was going to get his income from going forwards (after a tirade about how he wasn't a credible witness, attempting to establish that Cohen is only testifying for the sake of a book deal), to which Cohen replied "I don't imagine I'll have much of an income in prison".
I have to admit, I am really impressed with the way Cohen is handling some of these questions... a touch of humor, and a way that makes the questioner look like they hadn't thought things through.

I wonder if he had those particular responses pre-planned in case they were asked, or whether he made them up on the fly.
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Attorney client privilege does not apply in cases here a lawyer and his client are co-conspirators in a crime.

Not that Cohen was a "good lawyer" in the first place, just that attorney-client privilege likely does not apply here.
there is a crime fraud exception to the attorney client privilege, it does not operate as a blanket waiver of all communications, and it is not for the attorney to decide it has been waived.

Particularly when the attorney in question is a rat trying to hide his crimes that had nothing at all to do with any of his clients.
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It wasn't totally false. It was partially false. He did have a set of close blood relatives turn against him, it just identified the wrong relatives. It would be totally false if it also got the turn against him part wrong.
False. The post in question said his own children backed his opponent. Please do not mutilate the posts in question to try to hide your grievous errors.

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False. The post in question said his own children backed his opponent. Please do not mutilate the posts in question to try to hide your grievous errors.

SMFH
And it was siblings that backed his opponent. The statement that his own children backed his opponent is partially true.
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Big Dog is conceding that the conversations occurred. This is awesome.
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False. The post in question said his own children backed his opponent. Please do not mutilate the posts in question to try to hide your grievous errors.
A republican politician was condemned by his brothers and sisters.

A poster here falsely identified that it was the politician's children. (A claim that they later corrected.)

Now, a reasonable/rational person would look at the circumstances, and say "Ok, the false identification was unfortunate, but we should be concerned about a politician who's got so many failings that his very own siblings are condemning him"

Instead, you seem to be more hung up on the unfortunate false identification part rather than the main point: republican politician is such a scumbag that even his siblings don't like him. Why is that?
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Instead, you seem to be more hung up on the unfortunate false identification part rather than the main point: republican politician is such a scumbag that even his siblings don't like him. Why is that?
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Hillary Clinton's emails were hacked? Wow, do tell....
As usual, you lack the comprehension skills to understand what you are reading, so let be emphasise in the way that I would when teaching a 9th grader in English class.....

Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
When Trump called on the Russians to "find Hilary Clinton's emails", it now seems obvious that he already knew they had been hacked, and that Wikileaks was in possession of them... that is very big!
Previously, he denied this was so.
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When Trump called on the Russians to "find Hilary Clinton's emails", it now seems obvious that he already knew they had been hacked, and that Wikileaks was in possession of them... that is very big!
Minor point... And correct me if I'm wrong.

There were 2 email issues that the Democrats were dealing with: hacks into the Democrat's email server (which lead to information about how the leaders of the Democratic party preferred Clinton.) and controversy over Hillary's personal email server from when she was secretary of state (in which a bunch of personal emails were deleted).

If I remember correctly... Russia and Wikileaks were involved with the first one (the hacks into the Democratic servers). Trump, on the other hand, was asking for the Russians to find data related to the second case (i.e. personal emails that had been on Clinton's personal email server from the time when she was secretary of state, but got deleted).

Trump's actions were still questionable... he was asking for a foreign country to engage in cybercrime against American individuals (and possibly expose secret information).

ETA: Plus, apart from Trump asking the Russians to "find the emails", Trump had also made a claim about some big information release related to Wikileaks before the actual release, so its likely he did know what Wikileaks was doing, even if the "find the emails" wasn't part of what Wikileaks actually released.
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Urgh. Michael Cohen is the worst kind of sleazeball slimy unreliable witness. Disgruntled convicted-of-lying ex-attorney. What a snake in the grass.
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Wow I am having a huge flashback to when I was 9 years old and we watched the Watergate hearings in class.....
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Urgh. Michael Cohen is the worst kind of sleazeball slimy unreliable witness. Disgruntled convicted-of-lying ex-attorney. What a snake in the grass.
If you are trying to say "don't trust him on face value" you might be right.

The reason why he should perhaps be trusted is because he's actually providing at least some documentary evidence to back up his claims.

Oh, and as others have pointed out.... what exactly does it say about Trump and the Republicans if they would hire such a 'slimy sleazeball' to begin with?
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Trump supporters response to Cohen's testimony:

"Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
All we need is Angela Lansbury
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
If you are trying to say "don't trust him on face value" you might be right.

The reason why he should perhaps be trusted is because he's actually providing at least some documentary evidence to back up his claims.

Oh, and as others have pointed out.... what exactly does it say about Trump and the Republicans if they would hire such a 'slimy sleazeball' to begin with?
I would not trust Cohen at face value also;as much as I despise Trump I would demand more evidence before aacepting what Cohen says as the truth.

Most informers and people who turn state evidence are slimeballs who are doing so to save their skin. Sonny Gravano..the underboss who sunk John Gotti in court...as pretty slimy himself.
I think someone in Finland is being very nave. Any D.A./Prosecutor will tell you that most witnesses you use in bringing down big time criminals are pretty slimy themselves.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
If you are trying to say "don't trust him on face value" you might be right.

The reason why he should perhaps be trusted is because he's actually providing at least some documentary evidence to back up his claims.

Oh, and as others have pointed out.... what exactly does it say about Trump and the Republicans if they would hire such a 'slimy sleazeball' to begin with?
That's a good point. Birds of a feather...

Why would a US president want to hire such an enthusiastically bent lawyer?

Popcorn tv.
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