ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Reply
Old 11th March 2019, 05:14 PM   #41
Arcade22
Illuminator
 
Arcade22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sweden
Posts: 4,943
Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
The notion of juror-as-a-full-time-job evaporates pretty quickly when you imagine what the hiring process would look like.
That's why people give judges the responsibilities that juries have.
__________________
Freedom you all want, you want freedom. Why then do you haggle over a more or less? Freedom can only be the whole of freedom; a piece of freedom is not freedom. You despair of the possibility of obtaining the whole of freedom, freedom from everything - yes, you consider it insanity even to wish this? - Well, then leave off chasing after the phantom, and spend your pains on something better than the - unattainable. - Max Stirner
Arcade22 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th March 2019, 05:29 PM   #42
Loss Leader
I would save the receptionist.
Moderator
 
Loss Leader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 26,148
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Exactly. So how do we determine what get handled one way and what gets handled the other? And people think some demands should be spread around the community. Why do some things make that list? And why isn't the misery of society included?

How does who determine what?

Different democratic societies can organize themselves in various ways. I have no idea how to tell which one is better than the other. I do know that the social contract has nothing to say on the matter.
__________________
I have the honor to be
Your Obdt. St

L. Leader
Loss Leader is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th March 2019, 05:33 PM   #43
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think that in the Jim Carrey "Grinch" movie where the Grinch stuffs people stocking with Jury Duty Notices shows how a great many people feel about Jury Duty.
Granted, it's a lot less painful where I live since they have a call in system, which means you call in for a week and only have to go in if your group is drawn..and then you only have go to the court room and sit around for one day unless you are actually chosen for a jury. A lot better then when you had to go in every day for a week waiting to see if your name was called.
Jury duty is bad. Now imagine instead of jury duty, it was cataloging internet child pornography for trial.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th March 2019, 05:38 PM   #44
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
How does who determine what?

Different democratic societies can organize themselves in various ways. I have no idea how to tell which one is better than the other. I do know that the social contract has nothing to say on the matter.
They can organize themselves in various ways. I'm asking how and why they choose what they choose to organize in those way
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th March 2019, 05:39 PM   #45
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think somebody wants all of the benefits of belonging to an organized society,but none of the duties and responsibilities.
I think the term "freeloader" applies.
But that is a problem I have with many Libertarians....
The OP proposed increasing the duties and responsibilities. The issue brought up asked if we are freeloading by not being subjected to the suffering caused by advanced society
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th March 2019, 08:11 PM   #46
Loss Leader
I would save the receptionist.
Moderator
 
Loss Leader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 26,148
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
They can organize themselves in various ways. I'm asking how and why they choose what they choose to organize in those way

Why do you think?
__________________
I have the honor to be
Your Obdt. St

L. Leader
Loss Leader is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th March 2019, 10:47 PM   #47
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
Why do you think?
If I knew, I wouldn't have made the thread.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 12th March 2019, 08:54 PM   #48
arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena
 
arthwollipot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Location, Location
Posts: 60,834
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Jury duty is bad.
No it isn't. It's an honour to do one's duty to society.
arthwollipot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 12th March 2019, 11:51 PM   #49
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7,030
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The OP proposed increasing the duties and responsibilities. The issue brought up asked if we are freeloading by not being subjected to the suffering caused by advanced society
I guess it depends on whether you think that advanced society has increased or decreased suffering.
I would argue that there is an objective answer to that m
__________________
Opinion is divided on the subject. All the others say it is; I say it isnít.
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 05:39 AM   #50
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
No it isn't. It's an honour to do one's duty to society.
My question is how do societies determine that duty? I can't figure out why being on jury is, but informing people that their loved one died in car accident (with the roads and high speeds a public issue) is not a duty to society we need to share.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 05:52 AM   #51
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7,030
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
My question is how do societies determine that duty? I can't figure out why being on jury is, but informing people that their loved one died in car accident (with the roads and high speeds a public issue) is not a duty to society we need to share.
because one is necessary for the functioning of society, the other isn't.
__________________
Opinion is divided on the subject. All the others say it is; I say it isnít.
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 06:05 AM   #52
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
because one is necessary for the functioning of society, the other isn't.
You are saying it isn't necessary for the government to inform family members when someone dies? I guess they could just keep it secret after investigating the accident.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 06:54 AM   #53
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,547
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I think somebody wants all of the benefits of belonging to an organized society,but none of the duties and responsibilities.
I think the term "freeloader" applies.
But that is a problem I have with many Libertarians....
I've bemoaned on several occasions has the default Libertarian mentality, especially online, has morphed into this, what I have dubbed "Selective Selfish Personal Anarchy."

It usually comes from people who live in some dream world where every job, no matter how unpleasant, boring, unsatisfying, etc is going to have somebody to voluntarily do it.

To pay people to voluntarily agree to serve on juries (regardless of all the problems a dedicated "juror" block of society would cause) would cost way, way, way more then society would be willing to pay.

Now can it be argued that jurors should be paid more? Absolutely, as I said the fact that juror pay isn't even minimum wage is like... all kinds of wrong, but not everything can or should be a voluntary career.

We don't want people juroring for a living.
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:02 AM   #54
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
My question is how do societies determine that duty?
How do people determine anything value-based, collectively?

That's pretty basic stuff.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:05 AM   #55
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It usually comes from people who live in some dream world where every job, no matter how unpleasant, boring, unsatisfying, etc is going to have somebody to voluntarily do it.
Eliminating the minimum wage would allow workers to negociate a lower salary, they say. Not sure it wouldn't rather be the employer imposing a wage on a desperate workforce.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:29 AM   #56
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
How do people determine anything value-based, collectively?

That's pretty basic stuff.
And I'm asking about the deeper levels of of that. Like how an explanation of how ice skating works has a simple explanation of sliding on the ice but has a complicated answer around the physics of water.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:30 AM   #57
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
And I'm asking about the deeper levels of of that.
You understand that this would mean you're asking for neurological explanations, right?
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:31 AM   #58
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post

We don't want people juroring for a living.
There are absolutely people who do.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_867839
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:32 AM   #59
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
You understand that this would mean you're asking for neurological explanations, right?
If that is what a more detailed answer is, then yes. I thought that was clear from the first post
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:32 AM   #60
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,547
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
And I'm asking about the deeper levels of of that. Like how an explanation of how ice skating works has a simple explanation of sliding on the ice but has a complicated answer around the physics of water.
Wow Bob you're like 99% of the way to not even pretending with the "Prove to me water is wet before we talk about taking a bath" thing.
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:34 AM   #61
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 32,544
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
You understand that this would mean you're asking for neurological explanations, right?
You're in Jabba territory now. It's sub-issues all the way down.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:35 AM   #62
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Wow Bob you're like 99% of the way to not even pretending with the "Prove to me water is wet before we talk about taking a bath" thing.
What does that mean?
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:35 AM   #63
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,547
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
What does that mean?
You know damn well what it means, stop acting obtuse.
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:37 AM   #64
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
You know damn well what it means, stop acting obtuse.
Actually no, I don't know what that means.

ETA: I checked rationalwiki for anything about water and wetness. If you are using a term that fits in the category of debate terms like sealioning, it isn't there. The cultural penetration of your analogy may not extend as deeply as you think.

Last edited by BobTheCoward; 13th March 2019 at 07:46 AM.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:57 AM   #65
isissxn
Rough Around the Edges
 
isissxn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Deep Storage
Posts: 5,070
Seriously, imagine the kind of people a job like professional juror would attract. The entire Websleuths forum for starters, along with every wannabe cop and google-lawyer you could cram onto a bus. Tribunals of judgy weirdos, yeah, sounds great! The whole idea is it's a jury of your ******* PEERS, randomly selected, not a panel of self-important, self-selecting lil' crimestoppers. Ugh, why do I even bother.

I'm sorry I clicked on this thread. I feel annoyed and disgusted. Bob, your examples are disgusting. The way you think is kind of disgusting to me. It's probably rude for me to tell you, but I'm just blown away by your bizarre, callous, gross reasoning. I will not read any more of it in this lifetime. I don't care what you say - these posts are intended to upset people while giving you juuuust enough plausible deniability to claim, "What? I'm just innocently asking questions, I have no position. Yes, I bring up weird things like suicide imagery and speak of them in an unfeeling tone, but that's just me! I'm not doing it to bother you, it's an honest question, I can't help I see the world differently." Yeah, right.
isissxn is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 07:57 AM   #66
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If that is what a more detailed answer is, then yes. I thought that was clear from the first post
Good, I expected that. It's just one more clear indication that you're not interested in discussion.

First of all, that's off-topic. You posted this in Social Issues. Discussing neurology is completely irrelevant.

Second, if I did humour you and discuss neurology, you'd be asking us for a quantum fluctuation explanation in no time.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:00 AM   #67
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 7,030
"Many said I was too extreme when I first called for the annihalation of the human species, as well as some of the more cunning monkeys. But after living on Earth I can tell you that I am, if anything, too merciful!" -Bender Bending Rodriguez
__________________
Opinion is divided on the subject. All the others say it is; I say it isnít.
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:02 AM   #68
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You're in Jabba territory now. It's sub-issues all the way down.
In the jabba thread I called this the Fractal Shuffle; dodging questions and avoiding uncomfortable conclusions by focusing on increasingly small-scale questions.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:02 AM   #69
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Good, I expected that. It's just one more clear indication that you're not interested in discussion.

First of all, that's off-topic. You posted this in Social Issues. Discussing neurology is completely irrelevant.

Second, if I did humour you and discuss neurology, you'd be asking us for a quantum fluctuation explanation in no time.
A good discussion should get progressively more in the weeds. One of my favorite podcasts is called the weeds.

ETA: wouldn't all social issues have a basis in neurology?

Last edited by BobTheCoward; 13th March 2019 at 08:08 AM.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:02 AM   #70
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,547
Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Seriously, imagine the kind of people a job like professional juror would attract. The entire Websleuths forum for starters, along with every wannabe cop and google-lawyer you could cram onto a bus. Tribunals of judgy weirdos, yeah, sounds great! The whole idea is it's a jury of your ******* PEERS, randomly selected, not a panel of self-important, self-selecting lil' crimestoppers. Ugh, why do I even bother.
This is what I was getting at earlier.

Does anyone really want the Internet's "Miscarriage of Justice Fandom" to be in charge of the legal system?
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:03 AM   #71
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
In the jabba thread I called this the Fractal Shuffle; dodging questions and avoiding uncomfortable conclusions by focusing on increasingly small-scale questions.
What uncomfortable conclusions? I'm the same libertarian that agrees with you that my policies result in exactly what you think they do.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:16 AM   #72
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
A good discussion should get progressively more in the weeds.
No.

Quote:
wouldn't all social issues have a basis in neurology?
They'd also have a basis in quantum fluctuations, mate. That doesn't mean that every discussion should descend into theoretical physics.

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
What uncomfortable conclusions?
In your case, the very possibility to come to a conclusion.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:19 AM   #73
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
No.



They'd also have a basis in quantum fluctuations, mate. That doesn't mean that every discussion should descend into theoretical physics.



In your case, the very possibility to come to a conclusion.
Then it should always get into theoretical physics.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:21 AM   #74
JoeMorgue
Self Employed
Remittance Man
 
JoeMorgue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,547
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then it should always get into theoretical physics.
Then you can go talk to a mirror Bob because nobody is going to play "infinite recursion playground" with you.
__________________
- "Ernest Hemingway once wrote that the world is a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part." - Detective Sommerset
- "Stupidity does not cancel out stupidity to yield genius. It breeds like a bucket-full of coked out hamsters." - The Oatmeal
- "To the best of my knowledge the only thing philosophy has ever proven is that Descartes could think." - SMBC
JoeMorgue is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:43 AM   #75
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Then you can go talk to a mirror Bob because nobody is going to play "infinite recursion playground" with you.
Then in the future I will preface threads I create. I will note they intend to be a series of deeper questions
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:45 AM   #76
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then it should always get into theoretical physics.
Then get to it. From now on, all of your contributions have to discuss the topic in those terms. That'll save everyone precious time.

I suspect you won't. Your respect for your own principles is... variable.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:46 AM   #77
Belz...
Fiend God
 
Belz...'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: In the details
Posts: 79,582
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then in the future I will preface threads I create. I will note they intend to be a series of deeper questions
Then you failed massively. Nothing you've posted is 'deep' in any way, shape or form.
__________________
Master of the Shining Darkness

"My views are nonsense. So what?" - BobTheCoward


Belz... is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:47 AM   #78
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Then get to it. From now on, all of your contributions have to discuss the topic in those terms. That'll save everyone precious time.

I suspect you won't. Your respect for your own principles is... variable.
I won't force it into other people's threads, but this thread was my own question I brought up.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:48 AM   #79
BobTheCoward
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 15,969
Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Then you failed massively. Nothing you've posted is 'deep' in any way, shape or form.
I fail massively all the time. I know that.
BobTheCoward is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th March 2019, 08:49 AM   #80
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 32,544
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Then in the future I will preface threads I create. I will note they intend to be a series of deeper questions
Zeno's Gish Gallop.
theprestige is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:01 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.