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Let's make this easy , Sol. Start from here, dear; what is this?
That was 2011. So, what are we still talking about, lovey? The idiot Thornhill was wrong, wasn't he dear? Couldn't figure out some basic science. Like the solar wind hurtling into non-existent O- ions to create (water, OH)? What was that rubbish all about? Not going to happen, is it petal? Sci-Fi! So, please, as has been asked before, many times, explain what we SHOULD have seen at this non-electric comet. I guess I don't need to link to previous posts by D. Talbott, or the garbage posted on Hollowscience, no? Even as far as pseudoscience goes, this is a massive failure. Hardly bloody surprising, given the lack of scientific credentials of the burkes who came up with it, eh? So, go on Sol, what is it that the two aforementioned loons came up with, that everybody else has missed? And then I'll link back to Talbott's post on here, re the predictions of what should be found. And wasn't. However, please start with the above photo. What is it? Multiple choice, dear: A) Limestone. B) Ice. C) An absolute disaster for the interplanetary division of the Medellin cartel. Let's start from there, yes? |
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Lest we forget (and I can't be bothered with refs, because they've been done soooo many times);
The comet isn't rock (MIRO, CONSERT, plus orbital measurements, plus the 9P impact). There IS H2O, as has been well known since 1985 (KAO), plus umpteen other detections. There is no electric woo. As (not) measured. As per, for instance, the diamagnetic cavity at 1P and 67P. No magnetic field = (fill in as necessary). To finish, without writing 5000 words, the electric comet woo has been shown to be total woo, as expected, by numerous missions to comets, as well as distant observations of such. It is nonsense. It is cretinous nonsense, in fact. It has ceased to be. It is an ex-idiotic idea. It has gone to meet the choir invisible. It is an ex idea. Goodnight Polly. Bye bye David. Tata Wal. Try better next time. Loons. |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hilarious! No, Sol, the bright spots are, indeed, ice. As has been pointed out to you numerous times. With links to the papers. The fact that you still believe this garbage just shows that your belief system is just that; a belief system. You want to believe it, despite ALL the evidence showing you, and the loon Thornhill, to be wrong. And with not a scintilla of evidence to back up your loopy beliefs. Detection of exposed H2O ice on the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko as observed by Rosetta OSIRIS and VIRTIS instruments Barucci, M.A. et al. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.00551.pdf They even made temperature estimates of the icy spots. Now, how hot is this non-existent electric woo? What would be its signature with those instruments? Please explain. Scientifically.
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Another Rosetta_RPC tweet
"Final decent" paper by Kevin Heritier et al. on Vertical structure of the near-surface expanding ionosphere @ doi:10.1093/mnras/stx1459 I have not yet have time to read it through, heard some of it at meetings/telecons, but still no evidence of EC nonsense. |
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Let us use "Sol88-logic": Mentions ionosphere. Earth has an ionosphere. Earth is rock. Thus comets are rock !
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I'm sure the paper was "decent". However, I'm sure Tusenfem meant "descent". English can be a bugger at times!
Interesting paper, too. Not a sign of any electrical woo on the way down. Just like Philae. I really wish that there was somebody associated with that cult who could just answer a few honest, scientific questions. Given that nobody is actually sufficiently qualified within said cult, then we are just left to wonder..... |
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Some interesting figures from the paper flagged by Tusenfem;
The peak outgassing rate, just after perihelion, was ~1200 l/s. That is roughly 20-30 x lower than that measured at Halley in 1986. It is roughly 200 x lower than that estimated for Hale-Bopp in 1997. At the time of the final descent, the outgassing rate was estimated at ~1 l/s. This is roughly what it was when Rosetta first caught up with the comet in September 2014. Despite this low rate, the number of neutrals measured by the Rosetta COPS instrumentation was higher than at any time during the mission, due to the proximity of the craft to the comet (1/r2, and all that). However, even the lower of the figures above is at least 7 orders of magnitude greater than can be accounted for by Thornhill's idiotic and unscientific claims of solar wind H+ somehow combining with pretty much non-existent O-, to form OH, which stupid scientists then misidentify as H2O. Such a pity that he never sees fit to explain these horrendous travesties of science that he keeps making. Vertical structure of the near-surface expanding ionosphere of comet 67P probed by Rosetta Heritier, K. L. et al https://academic.oup.com/mnras/artic...e-of-comet-67P (paywalled) |
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“No rock. Any charge separation is limited. The electric field is pointing in the wrong direction. Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116. “The 'electric comet' is physically IMPOSSIBLE to model using mainstream science! PERIOD! True story! End of story!” Indagator |
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Further, there seems to be some confusion,
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One or the other? Comet 67P outbursts and quiescent coma at 1.3 AU from the Sun: dust properties from Rosetta/VIRTIS-H observations |
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Huh? Care to enlighten us a little more? I assume this is more "evidence" for the EC model?
For those interested in the actual article here is the link to grl (paywalled, pdf available) |
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As usual some cherry-pick quoting from our friend Sol, the full sentences read:
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Silicatic grains can be confused as icy grains? Mmmmmm...... |
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Spontaneous formation of nonspherical water ice grains in a plasma environment
So 'ice' need not be hidden under the rock/dust layer! Shall we head down that rabbit hole? How much dust to snuff out 'sublimation'? Thermal modelling of water activity on comet doi:10.1093/mnras/stx1607 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko with global dust mantle and plural dust-to-ice ratio Or indeed the 'dust' can be lifted by sublimating gas? Is near-surface ice the driver of dust activity on 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko |
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Apparently you cannot read, but that was already widely known.
The plasma does not magically create the water that turns into ice grains. As described in the paper:
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Sol88: Cites and lies about a mainstream paper not about his comet delusions
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11 September 2017 Sol88: Cites and lies about a mainstream paper not about his comet delusions ! Spontaneous formation of nonspherical water ice grains in a plasma environment
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Sol88: Repeated idiocy of citing a mainstream comets are ices and dust paper
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Sol88: Ignorant fantasy that silicatic or icy grains supports his comet delusions
11 September 2017 Sol88: Ignorant fantasy that silicatic or icy grains in a comets are ices and dust paper supports his comet delusions.
A lie by citing the ices + dust paper with quote mining (pointed out by tusenfem). The paper is about Comet 67P outbursts. Comet 67P outbursts and quiescent coma at 1.3 AU from the Sun: dust properties from Rosetta/VIRTIS-H observations The observation is
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Sol88: Repeats the citation and lie about a mainstream paper
11 September 2017 Sol88: Repeats the citation and lie about a mainstream paper not about his comet delusions.
The paper mentions comet tails formed from mainstream ices + dust nuclei. 11 September 2017 Sol88: Cites and lies about a mainstream water activity paper not about his comet delusions. Thermal modelling of water activity on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko with global dust mantle and plural dust-to-ice ratio
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Sol88: A "We are after the electric field?" being confirmed lie
11 September 2017 Sol88: A "We are after the electric field?" being confirmed lie.
He cannot even understand his own delusions about comets which demand an electric field around the Sun ! 11 September 2017 Sol88: Cites and lies about a mainstream ion speeds paper not supporting his comet delusions. Effective ion speeds at ~200-250 km from comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko near perihelion has the expected acceleration of ions by electric fields within the comet coma. The lie is that this is his delusion of a solar electric field. |
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Sol88: A lie of water vapor being produced by "various electrochemical means"
11 September 2017 Sol88: A lie of water vapor being produced by "various electrochemical means".
The paper he is lying about is non-spherical water grains produced in the lab by injecting water vapor into a low pressure and temperature plasma as tusenfem told him. |
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Let us put this out there, for the hard of thinking;
According to the idiot Thornhill:
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Hahahahahahahha. Hahaha. Deary me. The 'electric comet mob' are a bunch of no nothing eejits, yes? Please, do tell us, scientifically, how solar wind H+ combines with non-existent O- to form OH? And then you can go on to tell us how this gets mistaken as H2O, by people who are far more educated than you, or the idiot Thornhill? Yes? That would be a good start. Yes? It is scientifically illiterate nonsense. Isn't it, dear? Complete garbage. From a stupid Aussie burke who wouldn't know his arse from his elbow. N'est-ce pas?
Conman. Ever heard the word, Sol? That is who you follow. A complete pudding, with zero scientific knowledge. Now; stop polluting this board with your idiotic, unscientific crap. Please. |
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Yeah, those dropkicks, ay! Well now there just kick'n back watching the "mainstream" confirm the theory for them The evidence for the dominate electrical activity is now overwhelming. Whipple's model is dead in the water and it's all the 'mainstreamers' had. Still can't work out how the "jets" work eh? |
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