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Old 8th March 2018, 10:32 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
There's something I don't get, and I haven't noticed it in this thread, and I haven't seen it in the three or four articles that I have read on this affair.

What is the basis of Stormy Daniels' lawsuit? I don't mean "why is she suing?" That would be in order to generate money and publicity, or perhaps she just doesn't like the Commander in Chief, or whatever. What harm is she alleging that Donald Trump did to her?

I have read that she says the NDA is invalid. Ok. I don't know or care, but that isn't the basis for a lawsuit. What is it that Donald Trump did (or is alleged to have done) that makes for a reason to sue? To have a suit, the plaintiff has to allege that a tort was committed, and that she is owed compensation. What was the (alleged) tort?

ETA: As for the fact that Donald Trump slept with a porn star while his wife was home taking care of their newborn son.......meh. It shows he's a sleazeball. We already knew that. As for the fact that he paid her hush money.......meh. No big deal. As for the fact that he is denying that he knew the hush money was paid......



but it's no big deal.

The one thing that would change my mind that I can think of would be if he didn't use his own money to pay the hush money. If it came from his investors, or a charitable foundation, or campaign funds.........throw the book at him. That would be outrageous, but so far at least I'm assuming that it was his own money. If I'm wrong, and he actually stole the money for the hush money, then throw him out of office and into jail, but as long as it's his own money.....................meh.
I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.
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Old 8th March 2018, 10:56 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.
If he's an adulterer with porn stars and adult women, he can't be a pedophile, which is a strict medical term. But I'm trying to imagine in my head what would happen if Obama was caught doing those things. For the past couple days I've tried but can't. It's too horrific.
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Old 8th March 2018, 11:02 PM   #123
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It's true that this doesn't get mentioned enough in the media: Daniels isn't suing Trump and doesn't want any money from him: all she wants to know is if the settlement is binding or not. If it is declared to be invalid, she might very well have to send back the 130K.
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Old 8th March 2018, 11:29 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It's true that this doesn't get mentioned enough in the media: Daniels isn't suing Trump and doesn't want any money from him: all she wants to know is if the settlement is binding or not. If it is declared to be invalid, she might very well have to send back the 130K.
You can be sure she has deals lined up that pay that off for her.
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Old 8th March 2018, 11:53 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
You can be sure she has deals lined up that pay that off for her.
no doubt. And this time, they might actually publish it instead of bury it as a favor to Trump...
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Old 9th March 2018, 01:30 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.
Because they don't care. They know he's fallible and has done a myriad of things they consider immoral. And they don't care, as long as he's willing to give them what they want, ie. anti LGBTQ-legislation, tightening the noose on abortions, etc. etc.

Some of them even see him becoming President a part of God's plan, their argument being that noone as flawed as him should have a chance of winning an election. But he did, and so there must be some higher power behind him.
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Old 9th March 2018, 02:37 AM   #127
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As has been mentioned in this thread it is a campaign finance law violation. Money spent for the purposes of a candidate's advancement must be declared. This payment clearly was (due to it's timing) for the advancement of the candidate, and it was certainly not declared.
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Old 9th March 2018, 04:01 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
On the contract itself. As I understand Daniels is saying it's invalid because the contract wasn't signed by Trump. But can't it be considered a valid contract if all the terms of it were fulfilled -she got the money so she is still bound by the terms even if the contract wasn't technically complete? IANAL so if someone is and can clarify, that would be great.

Although, I think it's possible that her lawyer knows it might be held enforceable but knows that this little action will force Trump to respond and thus reveal that, yeah, he screwed Stormy Daniels.

Why anyone cares about this very much at all is another question I have . . .
Maybe but possibly not as the deal had conditions for trump to fulfil to and as no one signed for him she has not gotten everything that she was supposed to as part of the deal.
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Just hoping it takes trumpf down!!!
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Here's what I want to know:
Do the evangelical and GOP Trump supporters really think it's ok for a presidential candidate to pay hush money to cover up an affair?
Are we talking today or a few years ago? Once Trump was revealed as the second coming they decided that personal morality no longer mattered in elected leaders.
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
I didn't care about the Lewinsky affair and I don't care about the Stormy Daniels affair. This is what guys with power do, Dem, Repub, sinner and saint. I do feel bad for the crap the families have to go through because we just love scandal so much.

I do care a bit more about the campaign finance stuff it might bring up; paying hush money right before the election could be argued as being campaign expenses. I mean, it just shows how dumb Trump is about this stuff. I also think campaign finance issues should be taken pretty seriously.

I care much less about the Bill Clinton lying under oath issue because I think people should get a pass on lying about affairs under oath. Like, duh, he's not gonna admit that where his wife can hear it!
Just like lying about meeting russian ambassadors under oath is cool too. Oaths really don't mean anything anymore.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
And when you condemn sessions and think he should be in prison for perjury maybe you will have a point.
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Maybe but possibly not as the deal had conditions for trump to fulfil to and as no one signed for him she has not gotten everything that she was supposed to as part of the deal.
Old Westeros saying. "A Trump never pays his debts ".
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Old 9th March 2018, 05:22 AM   #134
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None; it is a suit for declaratory relief.

So, the whole point of the suit is to get a judgement on whether or not the NDA is binding? That's fascinating, because of course the very act of filing the suit makes a non-disclosure agreement irrelevant for all practical purposes. She just disclosed everything she promised not to disclose. What would happen next? If the judge rules against her, the judge is basically saying, "Plaintiff is ordered not to tell anyone that Defendant Donald J. Trump (AKA Dennis Dennison) carried on a sleazy affair with a porn star and paid hush money to keep it silent.......but since the agreement is still valid, you can keep the hush money. Just don't tell anyone about it."

If the judge rules in her favor, i.e. that the NDA is invalid, wouldn't she have to give back the money?

But of course, at this point she doesn't care about that measly 130,000 dollars. One way or another, she has decided that going public was worth a lot more to her than staying silent.
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So, the whole point of the suit is to get a judgement on whether or not the NDA is binding? That's fascinating, because of course the very act of filing the suit makes a non-disclosure agreement irrelevant for all practical purposes. She just disclosed everything she promised not to disclose. What would happen next? If the judge rules against her, the judge is basically saying, "Plaintiff is ordered not to tell anyone that Defendant Donald J. Trump (AKA Dennis Dennison) carried on a sleazy affair with a porn star and paid hush money to keep it silent.......but since the agreement is still valid, you can keep the hush money. Just don't tell anyone about it."

If the judge rules in her favor, i.e. that the NDA is invalid, wouldn't she have to give back the money?
Most likely yes
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It's not a NDA, it's a settlement of 130K in return for not revealing juicy material and stories.
Since Daniels never worked for Trump, a NDA would be automatically null and void.
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It's not a NDA, it's a settlement of 130K in return for not revealing juicy material and stories.
No it is more than that, there was an analysis on this linked to a while back that showed more of what it was, but it did obligate DD to certain actions as well. Of course his not signing it makes the whole thing questionable.
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I didn't care about the Lewinsky affair and I don't care about the Stormy Daniels affair. This is what guys with power do, Dem, Repub, sinner and saint. I do feel bad for the crap the families have to go through because we just love scandal so much.

I do care a bit more about the campaign finance stuff it might bring up; paying hush money right before the election could be argued as being campaign expenses. I mean, it just shows how dumb Trump is about this stuff. I also think campaign finance issues should be taken pretty seriously.

I care much less about the Bill Clinton lying under oath issue because I think people should get a pass on lying about affairs under oath. Like, duh, he's not gonna admit that where his wife can hear it!
Maybe, but out of your last 5 Presidents, the majority haven't done this. At least no one has come forward about extra-marital affairs for either Bush, or Obama with any accusations that held any water
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Does anyone want to take Trump's side on this? Is her lack of discretion and seeking a judgement after she did get paid a bit of a backstab?
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Does anyone want to take Trump's side on this? Is her lack of discretion and seeking a judgement after she did get paid a bit of a backstab?
Why should Trump be able to use violence to stop someone speaking?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
It's not a NDA, it's a settlement of 130K in return for not revealing juicy material and stories.
Since Daniels never worked for Trump, a NDA would be automatically null and void.
Not at all. As long as the NDA is legal anyone can enter into a NDA to not disclose something. Often when media companies buy salacious photos there will be a contract drawn up between the media company and the supplier that has nothing to do with the subject of the photos. If the media company then decides to not use the photos the contract remains in place.
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I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.
But he's rich. And the most powerful man in the world.

My guess is that once he's out of power no one is going to want to "deal" with him.
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Why should Trump be able to use violence to stop someone speaking?
I might have missed a detail. Do you mean the violence of the state via the court?
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I might have missed a detail. Do you mean the violence of the state via the court?
I have no opinion about that.
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I have no opinion about that.
That's fair.
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I love that the religious right wing nuts stick with him even as it is fully proven he is an adulterer, a seducer, a pedophile (Miss Teen thing), a clear urolagniac and no way in hell is he the slightest bit religious.
I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.
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I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.
Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin and forgiveness. So no selling is required.
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I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.
Christians, and other theists, often delude themselves with stupid talk like that.

Or put another way, one often hears things like:

"God moves in mysterious ways.", or
"It's all part of God's plan.", or
"God's will be done."

And so on.
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Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin and forgiveness. So no selling is required.
Correction:

Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin, REPENTANCE, and forgiveness.

This is why GOP sinners get continued support when they are caught in some public sin. They stand up (with their family by their side) and admit their sin(s), claim to repent, then seek and receive forgiveness. While some view such behavior as hypocritical, especially when the cycle repeats, it is consistent with their Christian views.

By trying to hide, and continuing to hide the sin, Trump has not repented, thus should not receive forgiveness. This lack of repentance while his Christian fundy followers continue to forgive and support him reveals their hypocrisy.

In point of fact, Trump never admits his sins, other than perhaps in the ceremonial sense. This is not consistent with the general Christian view that to receive forgiveness one must actually admit the sin.

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I have read opinions that indicate to me that the narrative being created by some Fundies is that Trump is a tool (no argument from me there), and an imperfect one at that. But no matter, as long as he gets Gods' agenda forwarded they can accept him as the imperfect tool that he is.

At least, that is how some of them are selling it to themselves.
Except that god can forward his agenda through any tool he chooses, as he chose to do with Pharaoh, certainly not god's servant. God could have used Obama, or Bush, or Bush, or Clinton, or Clinton, or any other Tom, Dick, or Harriet in the Presidential or janitorial slot.

Obviously, claiming Trump is god's tool is a pretty thin fig leaf. They choose to support Trump because he speaks their language: hate.
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Not at all. As long as the NDA is legal anyone can enter into a NDA to not disclose something. Often when media companies buy salacious photos there will be a contract drawn up between the media company and the supplier that has nothing to do with the subject of the photos. If the media company then decides to not use the photos the contract remains in place.
Nope.
NDA are about company secrets being kept out of the hands of competitors. In your examples, keeping the photos quiet until publication is part of the business of the media company. Similarly, Trump making the crew of The Apprentice sign NDAs to keep quite about who will get fired when is part of the business of the show.
Not wanting others to know that you got laid by a Porn Star is not part of your business unless you are in the Porn business - and Trump got out of that a long time ago.
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Correction:

Generally Christians view life as being a constant process of sin, REPENTANCE, and forgiveness.

This is why GOP sinners get continued support when they are caught in some public sin. They stand up (with their family by their side) and admit their sin(s), claim to repent, then seek and receive forgiveness. While some view such behavior as hypocritical, especially when the cycle repeats, it is consistent with their Christian views.

By trying to hide, and continuing to hide the sin, Trump has not repented, thus should not receive forgiveness. This lack of repentance while his Christian fundy followers continue to forgive and support him reveals their hypocrisy.

In point of fact, Trump never admits his sins, other than perhaps in the ceremonial sense. This is not consistent with the general Christian view that to receive forgiveness one must actually admit the sin.


Except that god can forward his agenda through any tool he chooses, as he chose to do with Pharaoh, certainly not god's servant. God could have used Obama, or Bush, or Bush, or Clinton, or Clinton, or any other Tom, Dick, or Harriet in the Presidential or janitorial slot.

Obviously, claiming Trump is god's tool is a pretty thin fig leaf. They choose to support Trump because he speaks their language: hate.
Doesn't he only have to admit them to God?
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Old 9th March 2018, 07:08 AM   #152
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Doesn't he only have to admit them to God?
I'm not interested in discussing that.
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Nope.
NDA are about company secrets being kept out of the hands of competitors. In your examples, keeping the photos quiet until publication is part of the business of the media company. Similarly, Trump making the crew of The Apprentice sign NDAs to keep quite about who will get fired when is part of the business of the show.
Not wanting others to know that you got laid by a Porn Star is not part of your business unless you are in the Porn business - and Trump got out of that a long time ago.
Nope, NDA's are about any disclosure of information. Hence they are common as part of settlements of say sexual harassment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...rid-ncna840371

It is in no way limited to protecting company secrets.
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Old 9th March 2018, 07:18 AM   #154
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That interpretation is in dispute.

The standard one can be found here:
https://legaltemplates.net/blog/info...ure-agreement/

NDA such as you mentioned only work if one party can afford way more lawyers than the target of the NDA.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That interpretation is in dispute.
No, it's not,



and your link doesn't make your case.
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So, the whole point of the suit is to get a judgement on whether or not the NDA is binding? That's fascinating, because of course the very act of filing the suit makes a non-disclosure agreement irrelevant for all practical purposes. She just disclosed everything she promised not to disclose.
Incorrect. We have not had Trump confirm or Deny he is DD.

We have not seen any pictures, texts, paternal DNA, or other evidence that the relationship took place.


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What would happen next? If the judge rules against her, the judge is basically saying, "Plaintiff is ordered not to tell anyone that Defendant Donald J. Trump (AKA Dennis Dennison) carried on a sleazy affair with a porn star and paid hush money to keep it silent.......but since the agreement is still valid, you can keep the hush money. Just don't tell anyone about it."

If the judge rules in her favor, i.e. that the NDA is invalid, wouldn't she have to give back the money?

But of course, at this point she doesn't care about that measly 130,000 dollars. One way or another, she has decided that going public was worth a lot more to her than staying silent.
If the NDA is invalid, she would likely return the money. I believe her attorney said that's not a problem.

If the NDA is valid, then she probably needs to STFU or gets hit with the million dollar per incident fine.

The question brought up in prior posts is does Trump have to affirmatively respond one way or the other, thus admitting to being DD.

If so, many people have made the argument that they don't believe it will matter much. I tend to agree, people have accepted that trump is a sleazy adulterer. This admission likely won't change any minds.
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One good thing that may result from the Stormy Affair, is that the question about the size of Donald Trump's hands may finally be resolved after she publishes some of the various photos and text messages that she has of Trump.

Inquiring minds want to know!
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If the settlement is valid, Trump will have illegally used campaign funds to pay hush money to cover up a crime. Cohen will have set up an illegal LLC.
It is in the best interest of Trump to deny that he is DD and thereby invalidate the settlement.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If the settlement is valid, Trump will have illegally used campaign funds to pay hush money to cover up a crime. Cohen will have set up an illegal LLC.
It is in the best interest of Trump to deny that he is DD and thereby invalidate the settlement.
Wait, what is the crime being covered up?
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One good thing that may result from the Stormy Affair, is that the question about the size of Donald Trump's hands may finally be resolved after she publishes some of the various photos and text messages that she has of Trump.

Inquiring minds want to know!
No matter the actual measurement, he will metaphorically always be a pee wee.
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