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Old 9th March 2018, 10:33 AM   #201
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ements-n855021

President Donald Trump's personal attorney used his Trump Organization email while arranging to transfer money into an account at a Manhattan bank before he wired $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence.
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In a statement last month, Cohen said he used his "personal funds to facilitate a payment" to Clifford, who says she had an intimate relationship with Trump a decade ago.

"Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly," Cohen said in that statement.

But an email uncovered in the last 24 hours and provided to NBC News by Clifford's current attorney, Michael Avenatti, shows First Republic Bank and Cohen communicated about the money using his Trump company email address, not his personal gmail account.


I guess that belies the notion that Cohen was acting on his own ?
More ammo regarding campaign finance issues.
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:34 AM   #202
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Under the principles of comity, New York should apply Florida law to Florida citizens married in Florida but residing in New York.

And since he isn't Jewish, he probably cannot be said to have broken any law at all ...
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:34 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ements-n855021

President Donald Trump's personal attorney used his Trump Organization email while arranging to transfer money into an account at a Manhattan bank before he wired $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence.
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In a statement last month, Cohen said he used his "personal funds to facilitate a payment" to Clifford, who says she had an intimate relationship with Trump a decade ago.

"Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly," Cohen said in that statement.

But an email uncovered in the last 24 hours and provided to NBC News by Clifford's current attorney, Michael Avenatti, shows First Republic Bank and Cohen communicated about the money using his Trump company email address, not his personal gmail account.


I guess that belies the notion that Cohen was acting on his own ?
More ammo regarding campaign finance issues.
It doesn't seem to answer one way or another. People do use work email for personal business when they are not supposed to.
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:37 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ements-n855021

President Donald Trump's personal attorney used his Trump Organization email while arranging to transfer money into an account at a Manhattan bank before he wired $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence.
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In a statement last month, Cohen said he used his "personal funds to facilitate a payment" to Clifford, who says she had an intimate relationship with Trump a decade ago.

"Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly," Cohen said in that statement.

But an email uncovered in the last 24 hours and provided to NBC News by Clifford's current attorney, Michael Avenatti, shows First Republic Bank and Cohen communicated about the money using his Trump company email address, not his personal gmail account.


I guess that belies the notion that Cohen was acting on his own ?
More ammo regarding campaign finance issues.
He should have used a personal server in his bathroom. So should have Hope Hicks
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:38 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
In cases involving family law and related matters, which courts should have jurisdiction over married couples residing in New York?
You don't get it. This is all a plot by Trump to get the NY adultery law overturned.

It's 11 dimensional chess, folks
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:46 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
He filed his taxes as a New York resident, last I checked.
wow, that surprises me because Florida has much better tax laws.

That does not change my answer but it would change the analysis a bit
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:50 AM   #207
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You don't get it. This is all a plot by Trump to get the NY adultery law overturned.

It's 11 dimensional chess, folks
well she alleges that Trump was plowing the fields in 2006 and the statute of limitations is 5 years, so.....
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Old 9th March 2018, 10:52 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
In cases involving family law and related matters, which courts should have jurisdiction over married couples residing in New York?
Also Adultery is illegal in florida.

Here is a graphic

https://www.freep.com/story/life/201...igan/77154744/
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Old 9th March 2018, 11:03 AM   #209
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ements-n855021

President Donald Trump's personal attorney used his Trump Organization email while arranging to transfer money into an account at a Manhattan bank before he wired $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence.
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In a statement last month, Cohen said he used his "personal funds to facilitate a payment" to Clifford, who says she had an intimate relationship with Trump a decade ago.

"Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly," Cohen said in that statement.

But an email uncovered in the last 24 hours and provided to NBC News by Clifford's current attorney, Michael Avenatti, shows First Republic Bank and Cohen communicated about the money using his Trump company email address, not his personal gmail account.


I guess that belies the notion that Cohen was acting on his own ?
More ammo regarding campaign finance issues.
Another proof that Evil and Incompetent aren't mutually exclusive.
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Old 9th March 2018, 11:06 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Also Adultery is illegal in florida.

Here is a graphic

https://www.freep.com/story/life/201...igan/77154744/
Not necessarily:

F.S. § 798.01 which forbids living in an open state of adultery, but the violation of which requires not only that the parties share the same home, but that they engage in acts of fornication as well. Grice v. State, 75 Fla. 751, 78 So. 984 (1918)
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Also Adultery is illegal in florida.

Here is a graphic

https://www.freep.com/story/life/201...igan/77154744/
Also, lewd and lascivious behavior is illegal in Florida, and Trump could be in trouble for this issue. Here is the actual text of the law in question:

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/798.02

798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.—If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

By the way, did anyone else notice that law in Florida is only criminal only if it is done in a heterosexual fashion?
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Indeed! Adultery is illegal in Florida, and here is the actual text of the law in question:

https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/798.02

798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.—If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

By the way, did anyone else notice that adultery in Florida is only criminal only if it is done in a heterosexual fashion?
Wrong it is then Lewd and Unnatural.

"800.02 Unnatural and lascivious act.—A person who commits any unnatural and lascivious act with another person commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A mother’s breastfeeding of her baby does not under any circumstance violate this section."

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0800.02.html

Also still the law of the land.
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The adultery statute is F.S. § 798.01 not 798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.
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It doesn't seem to answer one way or another. People do use work email for personal business when they are not supposed to.
It doesn't answer the question, but certainly casts doubt on his claim of acting on his own accord and not as Trumps counsel.
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wow, that surprises me because Florida has much better tax laws.

That does not change my answer but it would change the analysis a bit
It's a wash if you don't pay any taxes.
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Just for giggles, this is an article detailing Daniels' sparring with twitter trolls
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Wrong it is then Lewd and Unnatural.

"800.02 Unnatural and lascivious act.—A person who commits any unnatural and lascivious act with another person commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A mother’s breastfeeding of her baby does not under any circumstance violate this section."

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0800.02.html

Also still the law of the land.
My mistake!

The law that I directly referred does not pertain to adultery.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
The adultery statute is F.S. § 798.01 not 798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.
You are quite correct, that was my mistake.

The law I referred to dealt with lewd and lascivious behavior as opposed to adultery.

Therefore, according to your reckoning, Trump could be in trouble in Florida for lewd and lascivious behavior as opposed to adultery.
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You are quite correct, that was my mistake.

The law I referred to dealt with lewd and lascivious behavior as opposed to adultery.

Therefore, according to your reckoning, Trump could be in trouble in Florida for lewd and lascivious behavior as opposed to adultery.
well, no for several reasons, not the least of which is that he allegedly shot the meat rocket into the sausage wallet in California and Nevada
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I like the troll who says why would he have sex with her when he could have sex with Ivanka. That really is something to ask Melenia.
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well she alleges that Trump was plowing the fields in 2006 and the statute of limitations is 5 years, so.....
The statute of limitations may or may not be relevant.

First of all, while his adultery may be passed the statute of limitations, the attempted cover up isn't. I'm not sure what the law says, but they may consider it illegal to cover up a crime even if the crime is too old to be prosecuted. (In which case people can just point and laugh at the defendant for wasting all that money for no reason).

Or they may consider the possibility that there are more recent cases of adultery that Trump could be guilty of, and they want to hide this one because it can be used to establish president/history.

Overall, I don't consider the adultery to be an important legal factor, and if it is, it is far less important than the issue of broken campaign finance laws. Its just nice to point at Trump and laugh.
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well, no for several reasons, not the least of which is that he allegedly shot the meat rocket into the sausage wallet in California and Nevada
Which may or may not be relevant. The actual sex may have taken place in California/Nevada, but the fact that he and Melania lived in New York means that the "crime" may have ties to more than 1 jurisdiction.
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well, no for several reasons, not the least of which is that he allegedly shot the meat rocket into the sausage wallet in California and Nevada
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wow, that surprises me because Florida has much better tax laws.

That does not change my answer but it would change the analysis a bit
But he is pretty clearly a NY resident, what with his kid going to school in NY and all. I doubt he spends enough time in FL to claim otherwise.

On your broader point: yes, the adultery thing is a red herring. The campaign finance law aspect is the real problem. And the ****** lawyering. I think both may tie back to the idea that he really didn't expect to win. But that is just a hunch.
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Which may or may not be relevant. The actual sex may have taken place in California/Nevada, but the fact that he and Melania lived in New York means that the "crime" may have ties to more than 1 jurisdiction.
I can assure you just as God made little green apples that Donald Trump did not violate a Florida statute prohibiting lewd and lascivious conduct by Husker Duing Stomy Daniels in a hotel room in Lake Tahoe Nevada.
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On your broader point: yes, the adultery thing is a red herring. The campaign finance law aspect is the real problem. And the ****** lawyering. I think both may tie back to the idea that he really didn't expect to win. But that is just a hunch.
Let's not forget prostitution. There is no chance that their relationship was an "affair" in the sense of two people sharing genuine affection for each other. If they had sex, he paid her for it.
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Let's not forget prostitution. There is no chance that their relationship was an "affair" in the sense of two people sharing genuine affection for each other. If they had sex, he paid her for it.
I'm not willing to presume her taste in men. But, even if that is more likely than not, does she do herself any favors by admitting as much?
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Let's not forget prostitution. There is no chance that their relationship was an "affair" in the sense of two people sharing genuine affection for each other. If they had sex, he paid her for it.
She wanted to get on The Apprentice, she probably paid him.
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But he is pretty clearly a NY resident, what with his kid going to school in NY and all. I doubt he spends enough time in FL to claim otherwise.

On your broader point: yes, the adultery thing is a red herring. The campaign finance law aspect is the real problem. And the ****** lawyering. I think both may tie back to the idea that he really didn't expect to win. But that is just a hunch.
The campaign finance thing is better, but they could not even get a similar charge to stick on John Edwards, what chance do they have on getting Donald Trump who merely wanted to hide the fact he was taking the bald-headed gnome for a stroll in the Stormy forest from his wife and son?
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On your broader point: yes, the adultery thing is a red herring.
Would you say that Essential Consultants was set up for a genuinely lawful purpose?
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Old 9th March 2018, 01:32 PM   #232
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I'm not willing to presume her taste in men. But, even if that is more likely than not, does she do herself any favors by admitting as much?
I think that would depend on her criminal record (a first offense probably wouldn't be a big deal), the financial upside she might foresee if she is allowed to say whatever she wants (she might already have offers on the table), and, most importantly, the likelihood that a specific jurisdiction would decide to prosecute her for prostitution given that doing so would require them to either prosecute or decline to prosecute (either would be problematic) the sitting POTUS for the same crime.

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The campaign finance thing is better, but they could not even get a similar charge to stick on John Edwards, what chance do they have on getting Donald Trump who merely wanted to hide the fact he was taking the bald-headed gnome for a stroll in the Stormy forest from his wife and son?
First of all, keep in mind that John Edwards was not found "not guilty" on everything. A mistrial was declared on several counts, suggesting that the results may have been close.

Secondly, given the total number of screw-ups coming from the trump camp (failure to sign documents, claims that the lawyer paid out of pocket, etc.) its possible that Trump's legal team is less competent than Edwards'.

Lastly, Trump is likely seen as a far less sympathetic defendant. What with being a Nazi-loving pussy grabber and all.
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I think that would depend on her criminal record, the financial upside she might foresee if she is allowed to say whatever she wants, and, most importantly, the likelihood that a specific jurisdiction would decide to prosecute her for prostitution given that doing so would require them to either prosecute or decline to prosecute (either would be problematic) the sitting POTUS for the same crime.
FELLAS! She allegedly was interested in crashing the custard truck with Donald so she could get on his TV show.

No prostitution involved.
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The campaign finance thing is better, but they could not even get a similar charge to stick on John Edwards, what chance do they have on getting Donald Trump who merely wanted to hide the fact he was taking the bald-headed gnome for a stroll in the Stormy forest from his wife and son?
For one, I bit Edwards had better lawyers. This arrangement sounds like something Trump hatched and pushed on his lawyers, not something proposed by a good lawyer.

I do like your euphemism work. Keep it up. But, if it lasts more than 4 hours, call your doctor.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
First of all, keep in mind that John Edwards was not found "not guilty" on everything. A mistrial was declared on several counts, suggesting that the results may have been close.

Secondly, given the total number of screw-ups coming from the trump camp (failure to sign documents, claims that the lawyer paid out of pocket, etc.) its possible that Trump's legal team is less competent than Edwards'.

Lastly, Trump is likely seen as a far less sympathetic defendant. What with being a Nazi-loving pussy grabber and all.
Less sympathetic than John *********** Edwards? Edwards had an extramarital affair and fathered a child while his wife was dying of cancer.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Would you say that Essential Consultants was set up for a genuinely lawful purpose?
I'm saying adultery will have nothing to do with that determination.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
For one, I bit Edwards had better lawyers. This arrangement sounds like something Trump hatched and pushed on his lawyers, not something proposed by a good lawyer.

I do like your euphemism work. Keep it up. But, if last more than 4 hours, call your doctor.
nah, the charge against Edwards was bs, and all Trump has to say is that he did it to keep the news from his wife, and he is sorry and and their relationship is much stronger and he has accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior.
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I think that would depend on her criminal record (a first offense probably wouldn't be a big deal), the financial upside she might foresee if she is allowed to say whatever she wants (she might already have offers on the table), and, most importantly, the likelihood that a specific jurisdiction would decide to prosecute her for prostitution given that doing so would require them to either prosecute or decline to prosecute (either would be problematic) the sitting POTUS for the same crime.
I don't think she could be prosecuted. Past the the statute of limitations, I would assume. Just don't know that she would want to be known as a prostitute.

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FELLAS! She allegedly was interested in crashing the custard truck with Donald so she could get on his TV show.

No prostitution involved.
That sounds plausible. Is it based on her filing or other statements from her?
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nah, the charge against Edwards was bs, and all Trump has to say is that he did it to keep the news from his wife, and he is sorry and and their relationship is much stronger and he has accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior.
He won't ever do the highlighted. How does that figure into your math?
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