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Old 17th May 2018, 04:40 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The Germans are either at your feet or at your throat.
....oh my ANOTHER thing Henri is ignorant about. I worked and lived in Germany for four years and for twenty+ years worked with German businessmen and archaeologists/academics in the Middle East.

That is a really poor stereotype applied with a far too wide brush.

...but then its you so that is to be expected.....
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Old 18th May 2018, 03:11 AM   #322
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There is an interesting article about all this on the internet about the American General Patton, which I agree may not be entirely true. I can't quite see why no public criticism at all is allowed of MI5 on this forum, but it could be something to do with the rewriting of the pure unadulterated historical truth, so that we spend all our time discussing Mary Berry's controversial recipe for Italian sauce:

http://www.renegadetribune.com/patto...st-war-policy/

It has been said that the Russians have a sense of humour, unlike the Germans.

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Old 18th May 2018, 03:21 AM   #323
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There is a bit about the German sense of humour at this website:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...y-country.html
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Old 18th May 2018, 03:45 AM   #324
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What, they say Germans have no sense of humour? Well, I don't find that funny
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Old 18th May 2018, 04:12 AM   #325
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Any sufficiently large group of people is basically just the same, almost all of them are annoying idiots but a few are ok.
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Old 18th May 2018, 04:41 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I can't quite see why no public criticism at all is allowed of MI5 on this forum,
Unlike the telling of blatant lies, which is evidently entirely permissible.

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Old 18th May 2018, 04:58 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
Any sufficiently large group of people is basically just the same, almost all of them are annoying idiots but a few are ok.
Or more generally it's called Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap."
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Old 18th May 2018, 05:40 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is a bit about the German sense of humour at this website:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...y-country.html
You realize that the country that brought us Mr. Bean and Monty Python came fourth in the list of "least witty countries"? Oh, and when they wrote:
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But defenders of German comedy insist the stereotype is unfair and the structure of the language means many jokes from the English language do not translate easily.
they ruined one of the most memorable Python sketches.

(and that brings us back on track to the thread topic)
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Old 18th May 2018, 06:01 AM   #329
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Mate, frankly, where the hell do you think the allied industry was located? Do you think that, unlike those vile Nazis, anyone was carefully building their factories 2 miles from the city limit, or WTH?

Have you checked out for example where the Chrysler arsenal in Michigan that made M3 and M4 tanks was located, for example? Hint, it's better known as the "Detroit Arsenal (Warren, Michigan)", because it's smack dab in Warren, the biggest suburb of Detroit. And that's a factory expressly built for making tanks. The ones that were converted mid-war, nobody moved outside the city they were in.

So, please. I'm not defending the Nazis, but it's silly to pretend it's some Nazi grand plot to hide behind civilians. EVERYONE placed their factories close to where they expected their workers to live. Chiefly because you couldn't expect everyone to have a car in the 30's like you have now, public transportation sucked, etc. The whole of western Europe didn't have NEARLY enough fuel for any the of that. And a lot of factories had even been built long before the 30's.

And in fact when the Nazis did built a factory from the ground up -- as in, actually built from a government initiative, as opposed to wherever the hell Krupp or Opel happened to have built their private factories -- look up Volkswagen. It was actually built a couple of miles from the nearby town of Fallersleben. Mostly because the town didn't want to pay a part of the costs, mind you. But still, one way or another, is was actually built by the NAZIS away from populated areas. The later town of Wolfsburg grew around the factory, rather than the factory being built in the middle of a town as some evil Nazi plot.
Minor technical. The Nazi's could not get close enough to US cities to do jack ****. The US and related could get close enough to German cities - but Germany MIGHT have saved a lot of their civilians had they built and run stuff from outside the towns/cities by a bit.................
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Old 18th May 2018, 08:43 AM   #330
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I used an US example, but I could have just as well used the UK. Manchester was nearly raised when the Germans tried to bomb its industry, which happened to be located in the middle of the frikken city. Thing is, the Luftwaffe actually dropped flares first to mark the industrial targets... and then they couldn't aim worth **** anyway.

The same applies to France, the USSR, whatever. Guess what was one location they fought bitterly over at Stalingrad for example? Yeah, the ol' tractor factory, which in the meantime was producing tanks. Guess what they produced right in the middle of Leningrad during the siege? Yeah, submachineguns.

But either way, the point is that it wasn't some sneaky Nazi plot. It was what EVERYONE was doing. You needed workers in your factories, and it wasn't today's world, where everyone and their dog has a car.
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Old 18th May 2018, 09:04 AM   #331
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
I used an US example, but I could have just as well used the UK. Manchester was nearly raised when the Germans tried to bomb its industry, which happened to be located in the middle of the frikken city. Thing is, the Luftwaffe actually dropped flares first to mark the industrial targets... and then they couldn't aim worth **** anyway.

The same applies to France, the USSR, whatever. Guess what was one location they fought bitterly over at Stalingrad for example? Yeah, the ol' tractor factory, which in the meantime was producing tanks. Guess what they produced right in the middle of Leningrad during the siege? Yeah, submachineguns.

But either way, the point is that it wasn't some sneaky Nazi plot. It was what EVERYONE was doing. You needed workers in your factories, and it wasn't today's world, where everyone and their dog has a car.
Even if they did, the UK had petrol rationing and thanks to your illuminating posts on the competence of the Nazi's - I know that the German oil situation was far worse. Having massive numbers of car commuters wouldn't exactly relieve that pressure.
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Old 18th May 2018, 01:16 PM   #332
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Even if they did, the UK had petrol rationing and thanks to your illuminating posts on the competence of the Nazi's - I know that the German oil situation was far worse. Having massive numbers of car commuters wouldn't exactly relieve that pressure.
Well the Nazi's came up with a simple solution, they built their factories away from the cities later in the war and used concentration camp inmates and 'guest' labour. This did away with issues like transport, or feeding the workers...
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Old 19th May 2018, 03:48 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by HansMustermann View Post
Or more generally it's called Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap."
Thanks, hadn't heard of that one.
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Old 20th May 2018, 10:57 AM   #334
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Or more generally it's called Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is crap."
Of course it's crap that is what the good ideas grow in....natürlich!
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Sturgeon's Law in more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

and: http://www.sfcenter.ku.edu/Sturgeons-Law.htm

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ons-law/40217/
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