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At the proposed $600 per unit I would gladly buy one of these to both power and heat my house, and supply heat to the hot water tank.
$600 represents less than two months of my winter heating costs. Using new modern hot water baseboard radiators I would estimate total cost of conversion to be around $5K-7K. Pay back period of 3-4 years is VERY acceptable. I wish it worked. |
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If this tech works, why isn't it being sold as-is for home and water heating?
I'm genuinely confused as to why they wouldn't be raking in cash and funding the next round of development selling this for home and water heating now. My home uses forced-air heat powered by natural gas. Even if it costs me a grand to have the old heater removed and this device installed in its place, I'd STILL recover my costs within a year. One bad winter and the device would have paid for itself. What is their excuse for not having monetized the current technology? |
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You people are way too skeptical.
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That's the thing. All the marketing makes it sound like the heat generating component has been fully functional for years. That's the part they need working to start making MAJOR money. For a fraction of the effort they're wasting on the solar panel option they could develop housings so these could be drop-in replacements for a wide variety of devices. You could literally shut down a nuclear reactor and shove a big one of these in place of the reactor core. It would take some clever engineering to re-route everything. Ultimately you'd be replacing one heat source for another, much more compact, heat source. If what they say works ACTUALLY WORKS then they are ALREADY in position to revolutionize energy generation NOW. That's the most likely explanation. The alternatives are it works, but the company is run by morons, or it works, but the waste gas is so toxic CHINA won't implement the tech. |
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Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator
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Look, at International Skeptics Forum they are saying it may work!
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Over there!
"I wish it worked" "I wish it works" by Trump-voter epistemology it means "it may work" and that's a fair description of this thread: they're talking about it so it is worth. Why do you think michaelsuede's add posts at intervals and kept this thread accumulating more than 200 posts a day? |
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Exactly! One can extract 5 to 10% of the energy released (the numbers keep changing don't they, but why not- they are just made up out of whole cloth anyway) with fancy solar cells and create a complex circulating cooling system to transfer and dump the remaining 90 to 95% of the energy outside as waste heat, as proposed. Or one can capture more than 50% of the waste heat in the circulating system and also turn it into electric power using well established technology. In fact, why just avoid the solar cells altogether? It is almost as if the solar cells are there only to add yet more glamour to the proposal and to serve as an excuse for another broken promise.
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Perhaps the most useful and entertaining direction for this thread would be to predict what the next excuse will be when Blacklight/Brilliant Light Power fails to meet their most current promised deadline. That they successfully designed and manufactured the promised solar cells but that in doing so they discovered a modification that would allow them to triple their efficiency, causing the company to put off production until the redesigned cells could be incorporated? A modification in the geometry of the reactor that would allow it to fit within a thimble, with commercialization being delayed until this compact device can be sent off for large scale production? Or perhaps just a small glitch in a supply chain, or the concept that the hydrinos produced cause corrosion that forces a redesign, or even that the company has decided to focus on larger scale devices for the power grid after all, and forcing a delay in the actual distribution of these devices.
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In thinking about economics rather than physics, the discussions of how cheap these devices will be is odd too. If one had produced such a wondrous device, why price it so, so far below the current competition? Wouldn't one try to undersell other energy source, but by just enough to convince people to buy it? People are currently buying rooftop solar panels that require decades to recoup the investment. A tiny water-fueled device that can power one's house night or day, rain or shine, would be even more attractive. Why not price it high enough so that it would require, say 8-10 years, to recoup the installation? I'd buy such a device. Doesn't Brilliant Light Power want to make the larger profit? Or are they almost purely altruistic?
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BLP doesn't do excuses. The failure will just be ignored. As many documents as they can will be memory-holed. They'll make enough bucks off the usual marks to keep them in beer and skittles for the next 3 to 5 years, and then we'll be back at this with some new hydrino-based scam. |
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I think they're going to blame third party vendors for the delay. Admitting something like their waste product being toxic or corrosive would tarnish the "perfect tech" image of the con job. Blaming a third party would mean the "fault" lay with someone not in their circle (AKA, Not in on the con). This would have the additional advantage of allowing them another delay while they "search for a new vendor" and then "redesign the parts to mate with the new vendor's technology."
If they DO admit to a fault withing their company they'll "fire" someone as a sacrificial lamb who is either in on the con and still on the payroll, or a dupe too ignorant to know they're being used as a patsy. |
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The appearance of altruism is key to lots of these sorts of free energy scams. If they were proposing charging thousands for their devices, they'd have the marks asking questions about their motives. Surely they couldn't just be interested in money, right? By low-balling the proposed costs, they get to position themselves as the David in the David vs. Goliath story, and so the marks don't get bent out of shape over the expense. Instead, they get to day dream about telling the gas company to **** right off, and then use the freed up cash for vacations and the like. It's like how the lottery sells dreams. |
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It is the same thing with those scam, they are done by relatively unimaginative persons, which do not realize the consequence of what they are saying.
So they make up some "next step" (which naturally require finance) without realizing that what they ALREADY described as existing would be enough... And naturally no matter what they have to stick to the "next step" plan... Because otherwise if they had to show the reality of what they have, the jig would be up. |
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We could redirect the reverse ionized hydrinos through the rear deflector dish, but that could cause a tachyon burst that could cause the spontaneous decay of local chronons. While that would make the trip shorter for us, by slowing our local experience of time, it would mean we'd arrive at our destination with months or even years having elapsed for all our loved ones back home.
That said, if we could CONTROL the chronons decay we could make a generation ship's journey in a fraction of the time. |
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Well, that all sound crazy. But is it crazy enough to work?!?
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Mills first established his company in 1991, over 25 years ago. Ever since, the cycle just repeats. Wild claim, sucker investors, claim a better version, do nothing. Rinse, lather, repeat. Last I checked, this strategy realised 60 odd million from gullible investors just like the now defunct Steorn fiasco.
I don't see how this malarkey is any different from the other, or any of the other "take the money and run" schemes. Like Steorn, milk it for all the money the marks are willing to chuck in, declare bankruptcy and run away with the loot all the while blaming any convenient scapegoat. |
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Yep. BLP investment money is not coming from vaccuum, just as steorn investment money did not, and Rossi certainly bought expansive condo(s?) in florida. Sure , like Shaun the CEO from Steorn they have a fat chance to get a normal job ever again, but if they are not idiot, they have set aside enough money for the rest of their life.
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I find really hard to believe the OP genuinely believes in this project. Not because of the science and engineering involved, but because anyone with half a brain can see it's an obvious scam, and no one with Nobel prize winning science and operational tech this revolutionary would just sit on it for decades and just put out vague YouTube videos and half-assed testimonials from time to time.
I believe OP has at least half a brain, so that makes me wonder about his true motives. He knows he won't convince anyone here, and I can't see how someone could use this thread to bolster a case elsewhere, so I'm stumped. |
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Nah, I already said this thing is tailor-made to hook up to a Nassikas thruster.
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If such a device actually worked it would have been possible long ago to produce, as a proof of concept, a device that unattached to anything continuously produced large amounts of heat over a period of weeks. It would be obvious that something inexplicable was going on. Instead we get experiments that run very short times and are documented to produce only a tiny amount supposed excess heat that requires calorimetry to detect. The conclusion is obvious.
The discussion of a supposed device that produces enormous amounts of waste heat is laughable. It was mentioned that sufficient insulation would solve this problem when it would obviously only make things much worse. If heat produced exceeds heat removed then temperature will rise. Eventually the device will just melt. What it would actually need is big honking radiators or immersion in flowing water to remove the excess heat as fast as possible. (Personally I think Steorn was more entertaining.) |
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