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Old 22nd February 2017, 06:20 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Not 'The people', but the people who voted for Trump. They voted for Trump because he was the only viable candidate, not because they were stupid.

The people who voted for Trump only had two real choices - vote for a Republican (Trump) or a Democrat (Clinton). Would a republican have voted for Hillary just because their own candidate wasn't as good as they wanted him to be? Of course not - that would be stupid. Stupid because any 'republican' who who voted for Hillary wasn't really a republican, and any 'democrat' who voted for Trump isn't really a democrat.

Perhaps you think that anyone who voted for Trump was an idiot, but what if it was the other way around? Would you have voted for the republican candidate (eg. Sarah Palin) if Trump was running as a Democrat? Would you have refused to vote if that would help the Republicans win? Of course not. You would have voted for Trump because Party comes first, and winning is all that matters!
Anecdotal, of course, but I would have voted for Kasich over Clinton had Kasich been the Republican nominee.Or, at the very least, not voted for president at all. I am averse to family members of previous office holders holding positions of power.
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Old 22nd February 2017, 06:20 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
...but true.
From your perspective, perhaps. I doubt Hillary would've been such a disaster.

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Old 22nd February 2017, 06:25 AM   #43
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Partisan reporting again, apparently his first name is Muhammed and as we know many terrorists use that name, plus his skin is a tad dark, plus he comes from some unpronounceable town like all these terrorists plus he can hardly speak English have you heard his accent? Not surprising he raised suspicions, can't be too careful with these foreigners!
Heh, that's my neck of the woods - I could walk to that school from my house*, though it's not the closest one. Two of my kids learnt to swim there as they have their own pool.

A hotbed of radical Islamism it is not.

Mind you, the teacher is from Swansea and you know what those city types are like...

*Well, ok, I'd probably drive 'cos it's the other side of town but I could walk it - I could you know, I'm not that old / unfit / lazy!

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Old 22nd February 2017, 06:52 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen View Post
Heh, that's my neck of the woods - I could walk to that school from my house*, though it's not the closest one. Two of my kids learnt to swim there as they have their own pool.

A hotbed of radical Islamism it is not.
Check your kids, they may have been radicalised
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Old 22nd February 2017, 07:30 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen View Post
Heh, that's my neck of the woods - I could walk to that school from my house*, though it's not the closest one. Two of my kids learnt to swim there as they have their own pool.

A hotbed of radical Islamism it is not.

Mind you, the teacher is from Swansea and you know what those city types are like...

*Well, ok, I'd probably drive 'cos it's the other side of town but I could walk it - I could you know, I'm not that old / unfit / lazy!
It's practically a caliphate these days - even the government websites are in Arabic! But don't worry for the non-native speakers they have the site also in English: http://www.saiw.org.uk/welcome-to-wales-eng/
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Old 22nd February 2017, 09:30 AM   #46
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Interesting take on Trump as a "businessman:" He doesn't know how to run the White House because he was never a corporate CEO.
https://theconversation.com/white-ho...s-no-ceo-72393
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Old 22nd February 2017, 10:36 AM   #47
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Interesting take on Trump as a "businessman:" He doesn't know how to run the White House because he was never a corporate CEO.
https://theconversation.com/white-ho...s-no-ceo-72393
Don't worry, he'll have the government running like his Atlantic City casinos in no time.
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Old 22nd February 2017, 10:57 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Not sure how you are discounting the actual evidence, people as extremely narcissistic are not common. There are, however, people one encounters who suffer from personality disorders. They just aren't in such prominent positions as Trump.

Do you truly not see the difference between an egotist and seriously pathologic narcissism?
Diagnoses based on partial information without a proper evaluation of the person done by a professional in a professional setting using the appropriate methods is nothing more than pushing a political agenda.

A licensed psychologist or psychiatrist would not make statements of this sort based on observations filtered through the media and second-hand information. They would also understand the HIPPA repercussions of doing so publicly.
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Old 22nd February 2017, 10:58 AM   #49
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I dispute that it's true. Trump was not the best candidate in the republican field.
I'm not convinced that Clinton was the best candidate in the democrat field either. But by the time the parties got done, we were down to Trump and Clinton as the only choices for the election.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Acting like children for 8 years gave the GOP both houses of Congress and the White House, and will ensure a majority in the Supreme Court for a generation. If that's what it takes to win, Democrats will have to do it too.
I don't believe it will help democrats win.

At a minimum, I think there are differences in principle and behavior between the two parties that would preclude this tactic from being effective for democrats and independents.
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Old 22nd February 2017, 11:02 AM   #51
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Partisan reporting again, apparently his first name is Muhammed and as we know many terrorists use that name, plus his skin is a tad dark, plus he comes from some unpronounceable town like all these terrorists plus he can hardly speak English have you heard his accent? Not surprising he raised suspicions, can't be too careful with these foreigners!
I've always had my suspicions about thode who live West of Offa. They must be hiding all those vowels somewhere, but why?
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
A licensed psychologist or psychiatrist would not make statements of this sort based on observations filtered through the media and second-hand information. They would also understand the HIPPA repercussions of doing so publicly.
If by that you mean "no repercussions whatsoever," you may have something there.

For the record, HIPAA regulations control the use and release of patient information. They don't prevent health care providers from talking about people who aren't their patients.

In other words, health care providers who have provided care to the current insane occupant of the White House, or have been privy to his health care records, would be covered by the restrictions of HIPAA. Everyone else is free to say whatever they want about him.
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Old 22nd February 2017, 11:14 AM   #53
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I've always had my suspicions about thode who live West of Offa. They must be hiding all those vowels somewhere, but why?
We export the vowels to Finland. It's our third biggest export..
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Not sure how you are discounting the actual evidence, people as extremely narcissistic are not common. There are, however, people one encounters who suffer from personality disorders. They just aren't in such prominent positions as Trump.

Do you truly not see the difference between an egotist and seriously pathologic narcissism?
That's not even a meaningful question for the issue at hand. What is being promoted is for him to be forcefully removed from office because he is mentally ill.

Who is the psychologist that makes the diagnosis? What happens if another psychologist disagrees with the diagnosis? This is pretty major in significance and impact because we are talking about the President and not a backroom stock boy at Walmart.

Can there be conflicts of interest in the diagnosis? I think so. I say that because a professional psychologist who voted for Trump might be disinclined to think that he is mentally ill. Also the reverse could happen.

How do you ensure that your psychologists who examine Donald Trump do not have personal biases concerning his mental health?

What do you say to a certified and highly-regarded professional psychologist who says, "Trump is not mentally ill. Instead, he knows how to make America great again and he is on his way to doing it"?
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That's not even a meaningful question for the issue at hand. What is being promoted is for him to be forcefully removed from office because he is mentally ill.
How about just generally unable to run the country? Isn't that the wording of the amendment?
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Old 22nd February 2017, 12:06 PM   #56
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How about just generally unable to run the country? Isn't that the wording of the amendment?
Again though, the person who decides that he is unable to be President... is that person a Democrat or a Republican?
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Again though, the person who decides that he is unable to be President... is that person a Democrat or a Republican?
It's the VP, I think.
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It's the VP, I think.
The VP and a majority of the cabinet.
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We export the vowels to Finland. It's our third biggest export..
Finland?...hmm...near Sweden?
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People who aren't psychologists decide that he is mentally ill and boot him out of the White House. Then the Vice President takes over and proceeds with the exact same policies that the insane ex-President was doing.

Then Urban Americans (Liberal Democrats) say no this amendment to remove insane Presidents isn't working. What needs to happen is that the definition is changed so that Conservative Ideology is now regarded as a symptom of mental illness. We can't ever have a Conservative Republican President because those people are all mentally ill. They will ruin America and its international relationships.

And so forth.
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Finland?...hmm...near Sweden?
All part of the conspiracy.
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People who aren't psychologists decide that he is mentally ill and boot him out of the White House. Then the Vice President takes over and proceeds with the exact same policies that the insane ex-President was doing.

Then Urban Americans (Liberal Democrats) say no this amendment to remove insane Presidents isn't working. What needs to happen is that the definition is changed so that Conservative Ideology is now regarded as a symptom of mental illness. We can't ever have a Conservative Republican President because those people are all mentally ill. They will ruin America and its international relationships.

And so forth.
Okay, that sounds good. We will make sure to give you credit.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
People who aren't psychologists decide that he is mentally ill and boot him out of the White House. Then the Vice President takes over and proceeds with the exact same policies that the insane ex-President was doing.

Then Urban Americans (Liberal Democrats) say no this amendment to remove insane Presidents isn't working. What needs to happen is that the definition is changed so that Conservative Ideology is now regarded as a symptom of mental illness. We can't ever have a Conservative Republican President because those people are all mentally ill. They will ruin America and its international relationships.

And so forth.
Slippery slope with an extra dollop of failure to understand how constitutional amendments work.
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The VP and a majority of the cabinet.
Yes, you are correct.
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'Mer'ca, 'Mer'ca uber alles....

That the sort of party song you're thinking of?
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This is a joke right?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...ional-monument

Chaffetz probing national park's tweet welcoming new monument

House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) is investigating a months-old tweet from his state's Bryce Canyon National Park.

Chaffetz reportedly suspects that the tweet, which was posted in December the day after President Obama designated the more than 1.35-million-acre Bears Ears National Monument in southern Utah, may reveal that the park officials had advanced notice.

Chaffetz questioned the timing of the tweet, which mentions a slot that “long been held."

"The White House is telling the governor as well as the congressional offices that no decisions had been made — that it was still an open question — so how is it [Bryce Canyon National Park officials] were already ready to go with that information?" Chaffetz asked in a letter to Bryce Canyon's superintendent. "The timing is serious.”

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This is a joke right?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...ional-monument

Chaffetz probing national park's tweet welcoming new monument

House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) is investigating a months-old tweet from his state's Bryce Canyon National Park.

Chaffetz reportedly suspects that the tweet, which was posted in December the day after President Obama designated the more than 1.35-million-acre Bears Ears National Monument in southern Utah, may reveal that the park officials had advanced notice.

Chaffetz questioned the timing of the tweet, which mentions a slot that “long been held."

"The White House is telling the governor as well as the congressional offices that no decisions had been made — that it was still an open question — so how is it [Bryce Canyon National Park officials] were already ready to go with that information?" Chaffetz asked in a letter to Bryce Canyon's superintendent. "The timing is serious.”
Yes tweets take a long time. If can take 5, 6 seconds.

Chaffetz loves him an investigation as long as it's Democrats that he's investigating.

Chaffetz is the boob who after a rather tempestuous town hall meeting in Utah which had people asking about Trumps tax returns and what was going to replace the ACA told his fellow Republicans to not have town halls because they just attract troublemakers.
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Chaffetz loves him an investigation as long as it's Democrats that he's investigating.

Or cartoon characters.

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The chairman of the {House Oversight Committee} — the main investigative committee in the House — sent a letter to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention demanding to know why, in an attempt to raise awareness of the Zika virus, “CDC appears poised to make a sole source award to the Jim Henson Company for $806,000 to feature Sid the Science Kid in an educational program about the virus.”
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I don't believe it will help democrats win.

At a minimum, I think there are differences in principle and behavior between the two parties that would preclude this tactic from being effective for democrats and independents.
There is also the matter of honor. Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but I would prefer that at least one of these two parties acts in the best interest of the nation, and not merely in the perceived interest of their party.

The Republican legislature was abominable for the past six years. I would hope that the Democrats act like grownups.
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Finland?...hmm...near Sweden?
No-go zone, duh.
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People who aren't psychologists decide that he is mentally ill and boot him out of the White House. Then the Vice President takes over and proceeds with the exact same policies that the insane ex-President was doing.

Then Urban Americans (Liberal Democrats) say no this amendment to remove insane Presidents isn't working. What needs to happen is that the definition is changed so that Conservative Ideology is now regarded as a symptom of mental illness. We can't ever have a Conservative Republican President because those people are all mentally ill. They will ruin America and its international relationships.

And so forth.
Whee! What a fun slippery slope!

Mind, I'm not saying that Pence and the cabinet should or will invoke the 25th amendment, but rather that your flight of fancy should they do so is mighty exciting!

ETA: Ninja'd by someone from Babbylon -- allegedly, but haven't seen his papers and I'm not sure it's a real place.

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Tweet from the VP

ObamaCare will be replaced with something that actually works—bringing freedom and individual responsibility back to American health care.

https://mobile.twitter.com/vp/status/834493747836682241

Ah yes... tell an 8 year old diagnosed with cancer about his individual responsibility. Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps, cancer boy!
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Tweet from the VP

ObamaCare will be replaced with something that actually works—bringing freedom and individual responsibility back to American health care.

https://mobile.twitter.com/vp/status/834493747836682241

Ah yes... tell an 8 year old diagnosed with cancer about his individual responsibility. Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps, cancer boy!
"freedom and individual responsibility"

IOW, if you don't have health insurance, **** you. It's your own damn fault.
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SSCI is making some strong rumblings on the Trump-Russia connection.

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Tweet from the VP

ObamaCare will be replaced with something that actually works—bringing freedom and individual responsibility back to American health care.
Do they think people buy into that nonsense?

I remember when "cafeteria plans" started coming in. Now, companies were offering you a choice! You could get the same thing you had last year, by paying a whole lot more money, or you pay the same amount you did last year, and get a lot less. Choice is awesome.

I know what I really look for in a health care plan is "personal responsibility".

One could argue whether or not having the government provide health care or pay for it is a good idea, but do they think that they can give less and call it more? Do they think they can sell it as "freedom"?

What it means is that people like me (solid middle class, no chance of not having health insurance) will pay fewer subsidies for people less fortunate. I suppose that's a form of freedom. I guess.
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
If by that you mean "no repercussions whatsoever," you may have something there.

For the record, HIPAA regulations control the use and release of patient information. They don't prevent health care providers from talking about people who aren't their patients.

In other words, health care providers who have provided care to the current insane occupant of the White House, or have been privy to his health care records, would be covered by the restrictions of HIPAA. Everyone else is free to say whatever they want about him.
Fair point, you are correct.

I do wonder about the ethics of the situation though. Opining publicly on the mental health status of a person who is not their patient, and claiming a specific diagnosis without proper evaluation seems as if it should be a breach of medical ethics.
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There is also the matter of honor. Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but I would prefer that at least one of these two parties acts in the best interest of the nation, and not merely in the perceived interest of their party.

The Republican legislature was abominable for the past six years. I would hope that the Democrats act like grownups.
Serious question #1: the Republican legislature has been abominable for the past six years, so the voters have punished them by giving them all the branches of government. Why shouldn't the Democrats try what obviously works?

Serious question #2: If the Democrats follow your and Emily Cat's advice, they basically either allow the Republicans to do whatever they want, or they join the Republicans in their one party rule, pretty much ceding any progressive or liberal ideals. How is this not a terrible plan for Democrats, and for the country as a whole?
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Fair point, you are correct.

I do wonder about the ethics of the situation though. Opining publicly on the mental health status of a person who is not their patient, and claiming a specific diagnosis without proper evaluation seems as if it should be a breach of medical ethics.
Are they claiming a specific diagnosis or suggesting a possible diagnosis?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
This is a joke right?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...ional-monument

Chaffetz probing national park's tweet welcoming new monument

House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) is investigating a months-old tweet from his state's Bryce Canyon National Park.

Chaffetz reportedly suspects that the tweet, which was posted in December the day after President Obama designated the more than 1.35-million-acre Bears Ears National Monument in southern Utah, may reveal that the park officials had advanced notice.

Chaffetz questioned the timing of the tweet, which mentions a slot that “long been held."

"The White House is telling the governor as well as the congressional offices that no decisions had been made — that it was still an open question — so how is it [Bryce Canyon National Park officials] were already ready to go with that information?" Chaffetz asked in a letter to Bryce Canyon's superintendent. "The timing is serious.”
Seriously? With all the other actual news out there, with all the other executive shenanigans... this is what he's going to focus on? Really? I'm calling it: attempt to distract.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
There is also the matter of honor. Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but I would prefer that at least one of these two parties acts in the best interest of the nation, and not merely in the perceived interest of their party.

The Republican legislature was abominable for the past six years. I would hope that the Democrats act like grownups.
Ditto that.
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