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Old 5th March 2021, 07:33 AM   #2401
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
Do you know of any brain surgeons or rocket scientists in a no money society? No because they don’t exist. Instead you have farmers, hunters and gatherers.
And slaves, let's not forget about the slaves.

Gaetan has one unit he measures something by, an ill defined "work" metric. Time, effort, and anything else does not matter. If you "worked" you are entitled to everything everyone else has "worked" to produce. All work is equal. I don't believe he has worked that requires any skill above entry level.
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Old 6th March 2021, 11:01 AM   #2402
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Corruption by money kills:

Joe Biden refuses the independent public inquiry to hide that the elderly are not victims of covid but of corruption. The Chinese treat the elderly with covid with plants and vitamins and out of a population of 1.430 million there are only 4636 victims. If you put that across US you would have only had 1070 victims of covid instead of 526,000 if the state had taken the appropriate care methods. Plants and vitamins do not interest the medical community because they are not products that pharmacies can patent and resell at high prices like vaccines. At the height of corruption, they used the elderly as hospital guinea pigs to test dangerous pharmaceutical drugs that killed them. Sanitary measures were nothing but unnecessary masquerades intended to apprehend, subdue and rob the population. Call the police to investigate and put those responsible under lockdown.
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Old 6th March 2021, 12:13 PM   #2403
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The Chinese treat the elderly with covid with plants and vitamins and out of a population of 1.430 million there are only 4636 victims. If you put that across US you would have only had 1070 victims of covid instead of 526,000 ...
Your argument is illogical. I'll just pause for a moment so people can collect themselves after that shock.

The Chinese prevented infection spreading by locking down hard. If you can bring evidence they somehow did that with "plants and vitamins" I encourage you to do so.

Their 4636 deaths were reportedly from 90 thousand cases (obviously not from the 1.4 billion Chinese people who never got infected).

The US has had 28.9 million cases. If the US had the same proportion of fatalities as China reported, it would have had 1.5 million so far, 3 times as many deaths as really happened.

Another example: the UK has had 4.2 million cases. If it had the same proportion of victims as China, it would have had double the number of deaths it really has.

It doesn't seems like your "plants and vitamins" cure Covid-19.
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Your argument is illogical. I'll just pause for a moment so people can collect themselves after that shock.

The Chinese prevented infection spreading by locking down hard. If you can bring evidence they somehow did that with "plants and vitamins" I encourage you to do so.

Their 4636 deaths were reportedly from 90 thousand cases (obviously not from the 1.4 billion Chinese people who never got infected).

The US has had 28.9 million cases. If the US had the same proportion of fatalities as China reported, it would have had 1.5 million so far, 3 times as many deaths as really happened.
Chinese don't lock, they danse in disco and why they would check if people have covid they just have to give propre plants and vitamins to cure the flue.
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Old 6th March 2021, 07:10 PM   #2405
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Chinese don't lock.
Charlie don't surf.
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Corruption by money kills:

Joe Biden refuses the independent public inquiry to hide that the elderly are not victims of covid but of corruption. The Chinese treat the elderly with covid with plants and vitamins and out of a population of 1.430 million there are only 4636 victims. If you put that across US you would have only had 1070 victims of covid instead of 526,000 if the state had taken the appropriate care methods. Plants and vitamins do not interest the medical community because they are not products that pharmacies can patent and resell at high prices like vaccines. At the height of corruption, they used the elderly as hospital guinea pigs to test dangerous pharmaceutical drugs that killed them. Sanitary measures were nothing but unnecessary masquerades intended to apprehend, subdue and rob the population. Call the police to investigate and put those responsible under lockdown.
It's less about money, and more about political tribalism, which would exist without currency. Power, not money, is the currency of that realm.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Corruption by money kills:

Joe Biden refuses the independent public inquiry to hide that the elderly are not victims of covid but of corruption. The Chinese treat the elderly with covid with plants and vitamins and out of a population of 1.430 million there are only 4636 victims. If you put that across US you would have only had 1070 victims of covid instead of 526,000 if the state had taken the appropriate care methods. Plants and vitamins do not interest the medical community because they are not products that pharmacies can patent and resell at high prices like vaccines. At the height of corruption, they used the elderly as hospital guinea pigs to test dangerous pharmaceutical drugs that killed them. Sanitary measures were nothing but unnecessary masquerades intended to apprehend, subdue and rob the population. Call the police to investigate and put those responsible under lockdown.
You are under the misguided assumption that the Chinese are telling the truth rather than the BS they want you to believe.
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In a system of money products come by work and investment of money, in a system of no money products come by work then can't you see that if you eliminate investment as not require you'll have more products for the need of people, we can keep the system of money just for internationnal trade untill contries abolish money.
Why is ti that not a single civilized country has eliminated money completely to try to create the utopia you claim to achieve with a no money society?
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Why is ti that not a single civilized country has eliminated money completely to try to create the utopia you claim to achieve with a no money society?
Billions of Christians, hundreds of thousands of biblical scholars, and one person who reads it the way Gaetan does. Flat out amazing how something like this has gone missed by just about everyone ever.
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... if people have covid they just have to give propre plants and vitamins to cure the flue.
This is categorically false and idiotic nonsense.
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This is categorically false and idiotic nonsense.
Why do you say nonsense? It is proven that elders lack of vitamine D as most people, an essencial vitamin for the immunitary system, just an exemple.

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Why do you say nonsense? It is proven that elders lack of vitamine D as most people, an essencial vitamin for the immunitary system, just an exemple.
With such advanced medical knowledge, how are you not rolling in Teslas? Like a different one for every day of the week?
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Why do you say nonsense? It is proven that elders lack of vitamine D as most people, an essencial vitamin for the immunitary system, just an exemple.
Lack of particular vitamins can cause bad health.

That is not the same thing as claiming plants and vitamins can cure Covid-19 or that they prevent Covid-19, which they can't. Also Covid-19 is not flu.

What you wrote was not true. It was nonsense. That is why I said it was nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Corruption by money kills:

Joe Biden refuses the independent public inquiry to hide that the elderly are not victims of covid but of corruption. The Chinese treat the elderly with covid with plants and vitamins and out of a population of 1.430 million there are only 4636 victims. If you put that across US you would have only had 1070 victims of covid instead of 526,000 if the state had taken the appropriate care methods. Plants and vitamins do not interest the medical community because they are not products that pharmacies can patent and resell at high prices like vaccines. At the height of corruption, they used the elderly as hospital guinea pigs to test dangerous pharmaceutical drugs that killed them. Sanitary measures were nothing but unnecessary masquerades intended to apprehend, subdue and rob the population. Call the police to investigate and put those responsible under lockdown.

Again, the global market for vitamins and supplements was 140.3 Billion US dollars in 2020.

In 2019 the market for Traditional Chinese Medicine in 2020 was estimated to become $438 Billion.

Patents, the "medical community" and pharmacies aside. People are make a crap load of money off of "Plants and vitamins" as well as the whole gamut of Traditional Chinese Medicine. I'm sure they appreciate your help to sell their products.
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Chinese Traditional Medicine is a joke. The Chinese had all but stopped using it until Mao decided that he would heavily promote it because it was Chinese to get rid of Western influence within China. The only reason it still exists is Mao.
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Chinese Traditional Medicine is a joke. The Chinese had all but stopped using it until Mao decided that he would heavily promote it because it was Chinese to get rid of Western influence within China. The only reason it still exists is Mao.
Yep, as Gaetan notes "Corruption by money kills". Though, not quite the way he intended. Otherwise he wouldn't be inadvertently shilling for such monetarily corrupted killers.
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Again, the global market for vitamins and supplements was 140.3 Billion US dollars in 2020.

In 2019 the market for Traditional Chinese Medicine in 2020 was estimated to become $438 Billion.

Patents, the "medical community" and pharmacies aside. People are make a crap load of money off of "Plants and vitamins" as well as the whole gamut of Traditional Chinese Medicine. I'm sure they appreciate your help to sell their products.
People make money by destroying your life like selling pops full of sugar others by making your health better that's your choice whom you can trust.
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People make money by destroying your life like selling pops full of sugar others by making your health better that's your choice whom you can trust.
People also make money by pretending they're making your health better and selling you useless or even positively harmful junk. Trust the evidence not the salesmen.
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People also make money by pretending they're making your health better and selling you useless or even positively harmful junk. Trust the evidence not the salesmen.
Naturopath sell nothing that is not supported by the science while doctors sell you sleeping pills that kill between 300,000 to 500,000 people every year in US, i have no problem whom i can trust.
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Naturopath sell nothing that is not supported by the science ...
They told you that and you believed it.
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Naturopath sell nothing that is not supported by the science while doctors sell you sleeping pills that kill between 300,000 to 500,000 people every year in US, i have no problem whom i can trust.
But they sell it. For money profit. Clearly corrupt, devilish behavior. You are trusting corrupt people working for Satan, right?
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Naturopath sell nothing
That is the only part of your post which is true.
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People make money by destroying your life like selling pops full of sugar others by making your health better that's your choice whom you can trust.

Fantastic, so money isn't all corrupting and can even help "by making your health better". Heck, just by your own assertion above it's the person's own choice and not simply some corrupting power of money that is the determining factor. Thanks, once again, for demolishing your own claims.

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So what keeps people form, likewise, simply making bad choices in your 'no money' world?
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So what keeps people form, likewise, simply making bad choices in your 'no money' world?
Bad choices simply won't be available, by some sort of fiat, except that nothing will change, somehow. If he doesn't explain how, then the flaws, somehow, magically, don't exist. If he doesn't address the flaws, they also don't exist.

Despite being corrupt, using the money system, we will all live like the paragon of virtue, Gaetan. Stop questioning it.
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Bad choices simply won't be available, by some sort of fiat, except that nothing will change, somehow. If he doesn't explain how, then the flaws, somehow, magically, don't exist. If he doesn't address the flaws, they also don't exist.

Despite being corrupt, using the money system, we will all live like the paragon of virtue, Gaetan. Stop questioning it.
That's generally the response I expect. However, with soda (pop) being his exemplar of such a bad choice I would query, 'How would that choice not be available?'. Since people can and currently do produce soda at home with as much or as little sugar as they choose.
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Naturopath sell nothing that is not supported by the science
That is literally not true. Naturopaths sell things that are totally unsubstantiated by evidence, or worse refuted by the evidence.
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Since people can and currently do produce soda at home with as much or as little sugar as they choose.
Also, there are all sorts of alternative choices in soda beyond Coke and Pepsi. I'm sure he would not allow the sugar free versions, due to "chemicals" but there are low sugar carbonated drinks which some of which probably don't taste like ass, but they exist.
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That is literally not true. Naturopaths sell things that are totally unsubstantiated by evidence, or worse refuted by the evidence.
Ignorance of naturopathy, that's doctors who sell product not only that it is sicentifically useless but that kill you.
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Ignorance of naturopathy, that's doctors who sell product not only that it is sicentifically useless but that kill you.
Aren't Naturopathy "doctors" also selling stuff for money profit? How are they not corrupted by it?

If we all become Naturopaths and sell natural-pathic stuff, can we keep the money system and not be corrupt?

Better yet, how do you remain so uncorrupted by this system while using it?
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I do agree with Gaetan, Naturopathy: "doctors who sell product not only that it is sicentifically useless but that kill you."

From NaturopathyWP:
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Naturopathy or naturopathic medicine is a form of alternative medicine that employs an array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing". The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine, rather than evidence-based medicine (EBM).[2] Naturopathic practitioners generally recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[3][4][5][6] Instead, naturopathic practice relies on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit.[7][8]

Naturopathy is considered by the medical profession to be ineffective and harmful, raising ethical issues about its practice.[7][9][10] In addition to condemnations and criticism from the medical community, such as the American Cancer Society,[11] naturopaths have repeatedly been denounced as and accused of being charlatans and practicing quackery.[7][12][13][14][15][16]
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It seems futile to ask, but Gaetan: do you know what they call alternative medicine that works?
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What of propaganda from Big Naturopathy?

Naturopathy Industry in 2020 : K R Raghunath

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It is estimated that AYUSH (Ayurveda, Yoga and Naturopathy, Unani, Siddha and Homoeopathy) is already a USD 10 billion market and is expected to grow to USD 15 billion by 2020, thanks to increasing global awareness about alternate medicine. Naturopathy, a prominent component of AYUSH systems, has itself gained significant ground over the past few years, particularly with the rise of non communicable and chronic diseases that modern medicine remains unable to treat
10 to 15 billion annually, where's your corrupting influence of money there?
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Propaganda from Big Pharmas
Why is it you are unwilling to answer the problems with Naturopathy "doctors" also selling stuff for money profit?

So how are they remaining uncorrupted by money profit and why can't anyone else?
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What of propaganda from Big Naturopathy?

Naturopathy Industry in 2020 : K R Raghunath



10 to 15 billion annually, where's your corrupting influence of money there?
As i said the world is binary there are people that help you and there are people that kill you, yes or no?

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As i said the world is binary there are people that help you and there are people that kill you, yes or no?
no.
There are also people that should/would ignore you.
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As i said the world is binary there are people that help you and there are people that kill you, yes or no?
No, you did not previously assert "the world is binary".

No, the world and people are not binary. There are multiple variations and combination between other people just helping you and/or killing you. Even entirely other options, as EHocking notes, like other people just ignoring you or not even knowing about you or not caring.

No, your claim wasn't that the world or other people were the determining factor. It was explicitly that the persons choices themselves, not the actions or inactions of others, were the determining factor.

So again, what keeps people form, likewise, simply making bad choices in your 'no money' world?


Also again, claiming the world or people are binary doesn't help you. As it again simply asserts that people can use money without being corrupted by it. If some people can use money without being corrupted by it, that means others can as well. So if simply the use of money isn't the determining factor in being corrupted by it, what is that determining factor(s)?

Hint: it has to do with what you explicitly claimed before.
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Old 14th March 2021, 09:55 AM   #2438
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
As i said the world is binary there are people that help you and there are people that kill you, yes or no?
That which does not kill you makes you a sandwich. That was the famous quotation, I think.
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Old 14th March 2021, 06:43 PM   #2439
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Originally Posted by The Man View Post
No, you did not previously assert "the world is binary".

No, the world and people are not binary. There are multiple variations and combination between other people just helping you and/or killing you. Even entirely other options, as EHocking notes, like other people just ignoring you or not even knowing about you or not caring.

No, your claim wasn't that the world or other people were the determining factor. It was explicitly that the persons choices themselves, not the actions or inactions of others, were the determining factor.

So again, what keeps people form, likewise, simply making bad choices in your 'no money' world?


Also again, claiming the world or people are binary doesn't help you. As it again simply asserts that people can use money without being corrupted by it. If some people can use money without being corrupted by it, that means others can as well. So if simply the use of money isn't the determining factor in being corrupted by it, what is that determining factor(s)?

Hint: it has to do with what you explicitly claimed before.
You answered no then the world is binary
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
As i said the world is binary there are people that help you and there are people that kill you, yes or no?
How do naturopaths avoid corruption from money? You keep avoiding this question because you know that they do not.
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