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Old 31st March 2020, 05:03 PM   #2321
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Given how vehemently you argue that he does over and over ad-infinitum, you obviously "know" it very much.
Literally every time you and I have butted heads over this, I have repeated this. Literally every time. I do not know whether Morrison subscribes to dominionism or prosperity gospel. Given that he is a member of a church that teaches such things, I would not be surprised if he did, but I do not know if he does or not.

Literally every time.
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Old 31st March 2020, 05:16 PM   #2322
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Literally every time you and I have butted heads over this, I have repeated this. Literally every time. I do not know whether Morrison subscribes to dominionism or prosperity gospel. Given that he is a member of a church that teaches such things, I would not be surprised if he did, but I do not know if he does or not.

Literally every time.
I made an adjustment and suddenly this thread seems shorter...
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Old 31st March 2020, 06:56 PM   #2323
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Just watched the 4 Corners show and it is not very complimentary about the belated actions of the Morrison Government, in dealing with the coronavirus pandemic. Soot Morrison continued with his line of "every thing is fine folks", in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
Did they ask about the 31,000+ Chinese students that were allowed back into Australia since mid-February?

Why were they allowed back in when most education centres are closing and/or going online?

Well, money.
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
Did they ask about the 31,000+ Chinese students that were allowed back into Australia since mid-February?

Why were they allowed back in when most education centres are closing and/or going online?

Well, money.
The other unforgivable thing that happened with Chinese students was that, even after direct travel from China was banned, thousands came in via other airports, mostly Singapore and Hong Kong. I also have it on good authority that universities paid for these return flights.
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Okay everybody, we can stop worrying now. The Prime Minister has prayed.

Scott Morrison prays for Australia and commits nation to God amid coronavirus crisis

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The prime minister offers a prayer for the national cabinet and says his faith gives him ‘enormous encouragement’


Scott Morrison has offered a prayer for the national cabinet to stay “strong and united” and committed the Australian nation to God during times of “great need and suffering” as it responds to Covid-19.

The prayer is contained in a video, first published by Eternity News but later removed and republished by Queensland Parents for Secular State Schools, in which Morrison explains his faith gives him “enormous encouragement” in how to respond to the crisis.

Morrison, Australia’s first evangelical Christian prime minister, has made no secret of his religious faith, referring to his re-election in 2019 as a “miracle”. Many other former prime ministers, including Tony Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd, identify as Christians.

On 23 March Morrison called for Australians of faith to pray as parliament reconvened to pass the second tranche of fiscal support for those harmed by the economic effects of Covid-19 shutdowns.
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Old 1st April 2020, 06:43 PM   #2326
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The other unforgivable thing that happened with Chinese students was that, even after direct travel from China was banned, thousands came in via other airports, mostly Singapore and Hong Kong. I also have it on good authority that universities paid for these return flights.
All of which was compliant with government directives.
Indeed, it was encouraged by the Department of Education, Skills and Employment.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Okay everybody, we can stop worrying now. The Prime Minister has prayed.

Scott Morrison prays for Australia and commits nation to God amid coronavirus crisis
Well, now we can ALL get some sleep!
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Old 2nd April 2020, 03:46 PM   #2328
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Okay everybody, we can stop worrying now. The Prime Minister has prayed.

Scott Morrison prays for Australia and commits nation to God amid coronavirus crisis

Wow, yes indeed, I imagine he thinks it was the Devil that brought this corona thing down on us - with the encouragement of the gay community.

Morrison likens himself to Moses:

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“It is a moment like when Moses looked out at the sea and held up his staff … there are moments of great faith in this.
Someone should give him a staff so he can stand on the steps of parliament house with it held aloft.
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Originally Posted by Thor 2 View Post
Wow, yes indeed, I imagine he thinks it was the Devil that brought this corona thing down on us - with the encouragement of the gay community.

Morrison likens himself to Moses:



Someone should give him a staff so he can stand on the steps of parliament house with it held aloft.
He already has a staff.
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post

Well then, he should hold John Kunkel aloft and give us a miracle.
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Old 2nd April 2020, 06:58 PM   #2331
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I am looking at the graph marked Total Coronavirus Cases in Australia



Just take the difference between one day and the next and you will end up with my figures. Not sure where you are getting your figures from. But please take a look at them and see if you work out why they are different. Maybe just the definition of day?

Edit. My figures for today will be a reversal of the short trend and be big. The discrepancy is probably just when the day started.
Oh, OK. Worldometer.

I'll stay with the data from Johns Hopkins.

Worldometer seems to jump around all over the place, and base their numbers on media reports (as far as I can tell).
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I'm so disgusted with the slowness of the reactions coming from the political dolt fly ins in Canberra, I'm now making a practice of referring to the PM as our National Follower.

As far as I can see, the States have shamed him into making changed policy federally, that the States have already started doing locally.

Of course he put money ahead of peoples' lives.

He's a Liberal (right-wing conservative for non-Australian readers).

They always put money first.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Okay everybody, we can stop worrying now. The Prime Minister has prayed.

Scott Morrison prays for Australia and commits nation to God amid coronavirus crisis
Looking for psion's post explaining why this doesn't count in...

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Okay everybody, we can stop worrying now. The Prime Minister has prayed.

Scott Morrison prays for Australia and commits nation to God amid coronavirus crisis

Isn't that what Abraham was gonna do with Isaac before the Old Sky Guy himself jumped in and told him to knock it off and kill something for dinner instead?
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So how is the surplus looking?
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So how is the surplus looking?
The 'surpus' that depended on 5% growth in the economy?

That didn't exist even on the day of the budget, just more propaganda from the Liberal Coalition.
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Looking for psion's post explaining why this doesn't count in...

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Had the argument been that Scumo is not doing anything about ncov-19 because it is "God's will" then there might be something to dispute. As it is, there is nothing wrong with the post.
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Scott Morrison’s popularity surges amid coronavirus outbreak

As often happens in times of crisis, if the PM doesn't stuff it up then they can experience a surge in popularity. This was the case with John Curtin in WW2 and Kevin Rudd also enjoyed a (brief) spike at the onset of the GFC. Now it's Scot Morrison's turn:
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Mr Morrison leads Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese by 53 to 29 as the preferred prime minister.

The government has also returned to a dominant electoral position, rising two points to 42 per cent in the primary vote to Labor’s 34 and leading Labor 51 to 49 on a two-party preferred basis.
https://7news.com.au/politics/scott-...break-c-957637
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He appears to be almost jolly when giving interviews lately.
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Yep. Everybody's forgotten his pathetic uselessness during the fires, and praising him now that he's going all socialist on everyone.

It's almost like socialism is popular...
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Child molester scum walks free.
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Child molester scum walks free.
More details in this thread about that thing (which has nothing to do with Morrison and friends) http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=321082
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More details in this thread about that thing (which has nothing to do with Morrison and friends) http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=321082
It’s political but thanks for the link.
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Got to admit, he is doing better now than he did during the fires.

Scott Morrison warns Australians to stay home for Easter or risk coronavirus 'horror scenarios'

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Scott Morrison has warned that Australia risks facing coronavirus "horror scenarios" witnessed overseas if physical distancing is abandoned, particularly during the Easter long weekend.

He made the comments as the Federal Government prepared to release the details of its coronavirus modelling, which the Prime Minister insisted was "theoretical" and not based on Australian cases of the virus.

The Government has faced sustained pressure to release the modelling, which has helped shape the decisions the National Cabinet has made in a bid to halt the spread of COVID-19.

"We must hold the course, we must lock in these gains," Mr Morrison said.

"We have so far avoided the horror scenarios we have seen overseas."
He's not saying that Easter services should go ahead. I don't know how much of that is the stopped-clock phenomenon, but there it is.
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Got to admit, he is doing better now than he did during the fires.

Scott Morrison warns Australians to stay home for Easter or risk coronavirus 'horror scenarios'

He's not saying that Easter services should go ahead. I don't know how much of that is the stopped-clock phenomenon, but there it is.
They should at least close down motels and the like. Use them for quarantine accommodation. Could they even make holiday homes unusable without doing any damage?
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The AFP, who sat on their hands and basically did nothing about the leak from Cash's office now out intimidating journalists?

Yeah, nah, this is fine.
Well it’s a start.

Charges against News Corp journalist Annika Smethurst still possible after High Court throws out AFP warrant.

But despite the warrant being invalid, the AFP are keeping the data gathered with the intent of using it in future investigations and are still threatening to prosecute.

The fact that the story Ms.Smethurst wrote that triggered all of this was actually true and the raid illegal is besides the point as far as the government and AFP are concerned.

Oh, and the illegally seized data? The AFP Commissioner Reece Kershaw says Ms Smethurst's phone has been quarantined and cannot be accessed by officers.

Of course it can’t.
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Got to admit, he is doing better now than he did during the fires.

Scott Morrison warns Australians to stay home for Easter or risk coronavirus 'horror scenarios'

He's not saying that Easter services should go ahead. I don't know how much of that is the stopped-clock phenomenon, but there it is.

Albeit reluctantly I have to give Scomo some credit for the way he is handling this problem. And yes, it is in stark contrast to his handling of the bushfires. The handouts and incentives would do a socialist leader proud - much to the consternation of some of his colleagues methinks.
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Albeit reluctantly I have to give Scomo some credit for the way he is handling this problem. And yes, it is in stark contrast to his handling of the bushfires. The handouts and incentives would do a socialist leader proud - much to the consternation of some of his colleagues methinks.
It's pretty funny how fast these right-wing johnnies have embraced socialistic principals.

Now, if you can just get the electorate to remember that...
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Next step is nationalisation of failing corporations instead of just handing over millions.
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Albeit reluctantly I have to give Scomo some credit for the way he is handling this problem. And yes, it is in stark contrast to his handling of the bushfires. The handouts and incentives would do a socialist leader proud - much to the consternation of some of his colleagues methinks.
I’ll bet that in his heart he is saying “if only enough people prayed to the almighty, this would be all over”.
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Next step is nationalisation of failing corporations instead of just handing over millions.
Haha! I made that exact point yesterday in relation to an aluminium smelter the NZ government provide billions of dollars of subsidies to.
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Next step is nationalisation of failing corporations instead of just handing over millions.
I don’t agree. You only have to look back to the cosy oligarchy of the nationalised Qantas and Ansett where there was no competition and $800 return airfares from Sydney to Melbourne. The public was getting totally screwed for decades.

Australia has never done nationalisation well in my view. Government is best at regulating and steering businesses, not running them.
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Malcolm Turnbull's book blames Scott Morrison for damaging leaks as treasurer

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Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has blamed his successor, Scott Morrison, for damaging leaks that put the government on the back foot ahead of the 2016 federal election.

Details of Mr Turnbull's forthcoming memoir, published in the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, show the book suggests Mr Morrison had a strategy as treasurer of leaking policy proposals before they were finalised, which put him offside with colleagues.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann was particularly unimpressed with Mr Morrison's conduct, the book says, texting Mr Turnbull "we have a treasurer problem".

The book, according to Nine newspapers, alleges Senator Cormann attempted to have Mr Morrison cut out of policy talks in order to end the leaks.

A contemporaneous diary entry published in the book says Mr Turnbull believed Mr Morrison came close to resigning as treasurer.
While the idea that Morrison might not be the prime minister today is superficially appealing, it is sobering to realise that if not Morrison, then Dutton.
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More on the upcoming memoir:

‘Scott is a control freak’: what Malcolm Turnbull’s new book tells us about his relationship with Morrison

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Former PM’s memoir A Bigger Picture lashes out at political machinations, a leaking treasurer and Morrison’s ‘double game’


Malcolm Turnbull’s new memoir, which is due to be published on Monday, is a sweeping account of events from his early childhood in Sydney’s eastern suburbs to being forced out of the prime ministership in 2018. Given Turnbull’s tumultuous exit from public life, and the history wars that have followed, many readers will be interested in the former prime minister’s reflections on Scott Morrison, the man who replaced him. Here are some of the standout passages from A Bigger Picture...
This makes interesting reading, and is worth clicking on the link to get the full article (it's only moderately long). In particular, I would like to highlight the way Turnbull's account describes Morrison as a conniving plotter, who constantly had his eye on the top job.

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Turnbull wasn’t interested in state politics and was bemused by the unconventional pathway to leadership that Morrison war-gamed with him.
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“And I felt I was being used as a stalking horse by others, especially Scott Morrison, to position themselves.”
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“...He said Hockey should go now and he was making the case to Abbott to replace him with me. He was closely in touch with the key figures at News [Corp], he told me, and said they were getting ready to dump Abbott. And he made it clear he saw himself as the successor.”
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“Morrison was vocal in his support for Abbott and publicly denied discussing leadership issues with me. Of course, he’d done so on many occasions, and every indication was that he’d encouraged, if not masterminded, the [first] spill itself.”
This is not at all a smoking gun, which means that obviously psionl0 will now say that I'm claiming to know Morrison's mind, but this behaviour is very consistent with someone who believes in Dominion Theology.
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Old 16th April 2020, 01:33 AM   #2355
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This is not at all a smoking gun, which means that obviously psionl0 will now say that I'm claiming to know Morrison's mind, but this behaviour is very consistent with someone who believes in Dominion Theology.
Wow. Poisoning the well AND roping in Dominionism.

Given that this is just Turnbull's account (and he didn't accuse Scumo when he lost the leadership) I would have thought there was already enough fantasy.
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Wow. Poisoning the well AND roping in Dominionism.

Given that this is just Turnbull's account (and he didn't accuse Scumo when he lost the leadership) I would have thought there was already enough fantasy.
Are you accusing Turnbull as outright lying? Do you think there are some libel cases being lined up right now? Because if untrue, a lot of what Turnbull has written is clearly criminal libel. Perhaps you should be his legal adviser, letting him know what he can and can't say.

Here's more. He's letting it all rip, and no-one is being spared.

Malcolm Turnbull on sex and trust: 'How could I confirm the deputy PM lied to the prime minister?'

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In his memoir, former PM writes of his anger over Barnaby Joyce’s affair, tells how Credlin ‘dominated’ Abbott and savages George Christensen’s ‘hypocrisy’


Malcolm Turnbull has revealed details of a rare moment of prime-ministerial calm interrupted by the intrusion of Barnaby Joyce’s sex life.

In his memoir A Bigger Picture, to be released on Monday, Turnbull tells of sitting quietly in his Parliament House office on Thursday 11 May 2017, contemplating the reception of the budget delivered that Tuesday.

Then two senior members of his staff brought news that a Daily Telegraph reporter had learned that Joyce had accompanied his press secretary, Vikki Campion, to a doctor’s appointment. The purpose, it was understood, was for Campion to have a pregnancy test.

Turnbull was shocked, and soon so was the entire Australian political commentary complex as the deputy prime minister’s private life became the talk of the nation...
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He initially accepted Joyce’s assurance he was supporting Campion because she had no family to help her through a difficult time. “He gave me an unequivocal assurance he wasn’t in a sexual relationship with Vikki,” Turnbull writes.

He argues that he does not criticise Joyce on moral grounds, although he branded him “a champion of traditional marriage while practising traditional adultery”.

He was angry because towards the end of that year his government was recovering in opinion polls but “the Barnaby Joyce scandal derailed all that”.

So in February he changed the ministerial code of conduct to bar ministers from having sex with staff, a move which, interestingly, only Scott Morrison and Christopher Pyne strongly backed in cabinet...
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It wasn’t the only time the possibility of unsavoury sexual activity landed on prime minister Turnbull’s desk – figuratively of course. And again the question of trust was involved.

On 15 September 2017, the then Australian federal police commissioner, Andrew Colvin, asked for a private meeting to impart what Turnbull calls “uniquely awkward” news.

Police were concerned that the Nationals MP George Christensen since 2014 had spent up to 100 days a year overseas, mainly visiting the Philippines. He was staying at “seedy hotels” in Angeles City, the red-light areas of Manila, where he went to bars. Philippine and Australian police were concerned he might be breaking laws or become a target for blackmail.

An investigation found that the MP – described by Turnbull as “a young man, grossly obese and single at the time” – had not done anything illegal. The conclusion didn’t come until June 2018.

This time Turnbull takes a stark moral stance. He says “it beggars belief” an MP could spend nearly a third of the year overseas, on full pay, with the Nationals either not knowing or not caring.

Of Christensen’s trips, he says: “The hypocrisy made me sick.”

He also notes that the north Queensland MP was a conservative with a statue of the Virgin Mary in this office and a tattoo of her on his shoulder...
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It should be remembered when reading of this period that Turnbull and Tony Abbott have a history of hostility; they ousted each other from the Liberal leadership.

That’s one reason Turnbull takes a close look at the partnership of Abbott as prime minister with his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, in which he sees Credlin as the boss. “In all my life I’ve never known a leader more dominated by another than Abbott was by Credlin,” Turnbull writes.

This was “at odds with Abbott’s carefully cultivated image as the hairy-chested, bike-riding, firefighting alpha male, complete with a swagger that would put a sailor to shame”.

“He worshiped and feared her,” Turnbull writes.

There has never been any evidence the pair were more than friends and political associates, no matter the gossip.

Turnbull puts it this way: “Peta has always strongly denied that she and Tony were lovers. But if they were, that would have been the most unremarkable aspect of their friendship.”...
There's more.

And yes, this is all just gossip. But Turnbull is now making public the gossip that was going on behind closed doors at the time. He sounds very bitter. And given what I know about the people he's talking about, I find almost all of it entirely believable.
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Morrison deferring to, acting on, and advocating our local public health expertise is so reassuring. It is a break from the anti intellectualism, miss guided egalitarian views of knowledge, and conspiratorial thinking that pervades American politics.

May it continue to keep us safe and be cause for us to reflect on and lean into this difference between between our cultures. Sky News and it’s cretins can get ******.
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Morrison deferring to, acting on, and advocating our local public health expertise is so reassuring.
Let's not forget who he is, though, and what he's already done. Credit for this, yes, but he's still a monster.
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Morrison deferring to, acting on, and advocating our local public health expertise is so reassuring. It is a break from the anti intellectualism, miss guided egalitarian views of knowledge, and conspiratorial thinking that pervades American politics.

May it continue to keep us safe and be cause for us to reflect on and lean into this difference between between our cultures. Sky News and it’s cretins can get ******.
I believe that our Prime Minister was forced to do these things when the States all took action and left him standing there looking like an idiot.

He's been playing catchup ever since.
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At least he hasn't turned up at a hospital with a bag of groceries.

I'll give him credit for not repeating that gormless mistake.
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