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Old 10th May 2019, 10:14 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by qayak View Post
She said: “He wielded his power with women in f—ed up ways, sometimes to the point where they left comedy entirely."

She knew.
Yes, I agree. She knew. We knew too. Did she know before us, or at the same time?
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Old 10th May 2019, 10:32 AM   #122
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This thread is an absolute hoot.

Things that almost made me cry laughing:
1) People who post here that don't think stand-up routines aren't based on real life
2) People who were shocked when it came out (I watched CK's stand-up more than once, when the news revealed it was honestly a "no kidding" moment).
3) Thinking CK Louis wasn't a complete pervert based off of both his TV show (which shows multiple instances of him being sexually aggressive, including the very actions he describes in his stand-up and reflects the behavior in the accusations), and his stand-up routines.

He's garbage. Funny, but garbage. It's the same way people separate Michael Jackson's music from his actions. You can appreciate the comedy all while thinking the comedian is absolute garbage. I do it all the time.
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Old 10th May 2019, 10:40 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
This thread is an absolute hoot.

Things that almost made me cry laughing:
1) People who post here that don't think stand-up routines aren't based on real life
Aren't you one of those? It's a bit difficult to parse with all the negatives, but it sounds like you're saying you can tell what kind of person a comedian is from his comedy routine.
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Old 10th May 2019, 10:56 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by qayak View Post
I'm not making excuses for anyone or anything. What Silverman tolerated is in fact pertinent to the situation. In the quote offered Silverman said:

“He wielded his power with women in f—ed up ways, sometimes to the point where they left comedy entirely,”

So she was a party to it and did nothing.

As for what Louis CK did, I don't really care. He was given consent by adults who knew what the consequences would be. They made a choice to watch him masturbate to further their career and they furthered their career.
I believe there was at least once instance he asked someone who worked for a show to come into his office and watch him masturbate (she did). There was another case where he was on a show and asked an actress if she'd watch him (she said no). I'd make a distinction between those events and working on the road with other comics. If he was paying someone to be an opening act and made the indecent request, then it would be wrong, but if it's just some other comic it's not a problem.
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Old 10th May 2019, 11:38 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by qayak View Post
She said: “He wielded his power with women in f—ed up ways, sometimes to the point where they left comedy entirely."

She knew.

So what? How does her failure to step up mitigate his sleazy misconduct?
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Old 10th May 2019, 12:11 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Aren't you one of those? It's a bit difficult to parse with all the negatives, but it sounds like you're saying you can tell what kind of person a comedian is from his comedy routine.
I apologize, I don't word good sometimes.

You can tell exactly who a person is by their comedy routine. It's a compilation of things they've experienced, or thought of that they find to be hilarious. They also think other people will find it hilarious because they do.

If they didn't think it was funny, they wouldn't tell it.

ETA: That's why I think it's odd people don't think that's who CK is as a person.
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Old 10th May 2019, 03:06 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
I apologize, I don't word good sometimes.

You can tell exactly who a person is by their comedy routine. It's a compilation of things they've experienced, or thought of that they find to be hilarious. They also think other people will find it hilarious because they do.

If they didn't think it was funny, they wouldn't tell it.

ETA: That's why I think it's odd people don't think that's who CK is as a person.
Well then, use your psychic powers and give us a run down on all the other comedians and not just the one available "I told you so!"
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Old 10th May 2019, 04:43 PM   #128
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Tom Green is actually into banging dead moose.
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Old 11th May 2019, 02:28 AM   #129
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Tom Green is actually into banging dead moose.
And Don Rickles hated everybody.
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Old 11th May 2019, 03:01 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
This thread is an absolute hoot.

Things that almost made me cry laughing:
1) People who post here that don't think stand-up routines aren't based on real life
2) People who were shocked when it came out (I watched CK's stand-up more than once, when the news revealed it was honestly a "no kidding" moment).
3) Thinking CK Louis wasn't a complete pervert based off of both his TV show (which shows multiple instances of him being sexually aggressive, including the very actions he describes in his stand-up and reflects the behavior in the accusations), and his stand-up routines.

He's garbage. Funny, but garbage. It's the same way people separate Michael Jackson's music from his actions. You can appreciate the comedy all while thinking the comedian is absolute garbage. I do it all the time.
I saw his routine about pedophilia when he hosted SNL. After that, I was surprised that the allegations against him weren't worse.
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Old 11th May 2019, 08:27 AM   #131
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And Don Rickles hated everybody.
Seinfeld brought up the point in one of his Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee episodes that all comedians hate people. It was talked about in The Green Room as well with all comedians agreeing.
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Old 11th May 2019, 08:31 AM   #132
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I saw his routine about pedophilia when he hosted SNL. After that, I was surprised that the allegations against him weren't worse.
Paedophilia was had a running spot in early Saturday Nite Live years. I suppose they should arrest, and execute, the comic who played Uncle Pervy.
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Old 11th May 2019, 08:37 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
I apologize, I don't word good sometimes.

You can tell exactly who a person is by their comedy routine. It's a compilation of things they've experienced, or thought of that they find to be hilarious. They also think other people will find it hilarious because they do.

If they didn't think it was funny, they wouldn't tell it.

ETA: That's why I think it's odd people don't think that's who CK is as a person.
That's generally true, but you also can't take it too literally. Comedians actually use a combination of:

* Stuff that's been going through their minds
* Stuff they were told and which they then tweaked to be made into a joke
* Stuff that actually happened to them in real life, and they're describing exactly as it went
* Stuff that actually happened to them in real life, but that they tweaked and changed/modified/exaggerated for comedic purposes (So that what you're hearing is a mixture of things that happened and things that didn't. Things the comedian does believe in real life, and things they don't)
* Stuff that didn't happen to them in real life, and that has nothing to do with their personality and does not reflect at all what they are and would do in real life. In other words: A complete fabrication, strictly for comedic purposes.
*Everything else and everything in between


I think a great part of the reason why some people take comedy too seriously is that they immediately assume that everything the comedian says is an absolute reflection of who they are and what they think. Therefore, they take their comedy "seriously", the way you would take any statement made by a non comedian. But no one can tell how much of what a comedian says is part of their ideology and how much is stuff made up only for comedic purposes. So it's really pointless and silly to try to draw a conclusion about who the person is based on jokes they are telling.
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Old 11th May 2019, 08:46 AM   #134
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Paedophilia was had a running spot in early Saturday Nite Live years. I suppose they should arrest, and execute, the comic who played Uncle Pervy.
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Seinfeld brought up the point in one of his Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee episodes that all comedians hate people. It was talked about in The Green Room as well with all comedians agreeing.
Which was a joke.
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Which was a joke.
Yeah, no.
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Yeah, no.
Everybody claimed that Don Rickles was the sweetest, nicest guy off stage. My own personal experience although limited was proof of that. After he zinged me and my wife because we happened to be sitting front row centre - he had somebody send a bottle of champagne to our room with a nice note saying "Thanks for laughing. But remember your wife and I are still having the last laugh. All the best, Don".

The same thing was said about Bob Newhart. Sweet and charming.
Either Seinfeld was joking or he was wrong with his claim. Or, most likely, it was said for effect by a group of people who were trying to hype themselves as something special and different from regular folks.
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Rogan and another comic talk about this issue:

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The TL;DR is pretty much the same thing I was saying, that these types of shows are about working out new material that gets ruined when made public.
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
Everybody claimed that Don Rickles was the sweetest, nicest guy off stage. My own personal experience although limited was proof of that. After he zinged me and my wife because we happened to be sitting front row centre - he had somebody send a bottle of champagne to our room with a nice note saying "Thanks for laughing. But remember your wife and I are still having the last laugh. All the best, Don".

The same thing was said about Bob Newhart. Sweet and charming.
Either Seinfeld was joking or he was wrong with his claim. Or, most likely, it was said for effect by a group of people who were trying to hype themselves as something special and different from regular folks.
Or perhaps Don Rickles was sending you champagne for effect. Perhaps he just wanted to make sure you didn't bear a grudge, at being used as the butt of a joke. It's the kind of easy gesture an entertainer could assign to their assistant - or even just the hotel concierge - with a minimum of thought and effort on his part. And no need at all to expose any true feeling he might harbor. It's not like he brought the champagne up himself, sat down, shook his hair out, and spent some time letting you get to know the real Don Rickles.
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Paedophilia was had a running spot in early Saturday Nite Live years. I suppose they should arrest, and execute, the comic who played Uncle Pervy.
This wasn't "Canteen Boy". He took the whole thing to a whole different level.
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This wasn't "Canteen Boy". He took the whole thing to a whole different level.
Louis CK takes everything to a whole different level. That 10 minute SNL bit got him the rating of the funniest host since the glory days of SNL so he obviously knows his stuff when it comes to comedy, especially when judging by the audience reaction in the Youtube video.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Rogan and another comic talk about this issue:

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The TL;DR is pretty much the same thing I was saying, that these types of shows are about working out new material that gets ruined when made public.
LoL I didn't know people thought Rogan was a comic. That's like David Hasselhoff being a "talent judge". Rogan is a **** comic. I'll have to watch the video later.

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I think a great part of the reason why some people take comedy too seriously is that they immediately assume that everything the comedian says is an absolute reflection of who they are and what they think. Therefore, they take their comedy "seriously", the way you would take any statement made by a non comedian. But no one can tell how much of what a comedian says is part of their ideology and how much is stuff made up only for comedic purposes. So it's really pointless and silly to try to draw a conclusion about who the person is based on jokes they are telling.
Most of the time it is, and in this case CK's on-stage behavior and thoughts were confirmed by real life accusations. They reflected not only what he had written and acted in his show, but in his comedy routine.

Again, you described multiple instances of a comedian making a joke. All of them involved the comedian taking an event that happened to them or someone else and plugging in their own take on it. That's what makes it reflect who they are. I think without realizing it you made my point.

CK is a ******* **** human that had a "shock comedy" act that ended up being verified by real life events. That's not to say he wasn't funny. I laughed more than once.
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