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Old 9th May 2019, 12:06 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by ServiceSoon View Post
Graph uploaded. Trump is adding less National Debt when controlled as a rate by GDP.
So as I said, he's making no difference whatever.
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Old 9th May 2019, 06:16 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
You started in 2006.



Is Trump's start better than Obama's? Absolutely. Better than Clinton's? No.
Clinton had the peace dividend and the dot com boom, neither of which were really his doing.
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Old 9th May 2019, 06:31 AM   #43
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Thoughts on the subjects brought up in this thread.
A. Presidents always get more credit or blame for the economy. At best, they have an impact on the economy that's delayed several years. Its more fair to thank Obama for he current economy than to thank Trump but its still not really true.
B. Its silly to compare Trump's deficit to Obama's, Trump has a growing economy Obama did not. We will eventually be screwed if we can't balance the budget in a growing economy.
C. At some point the deficit has to be so big as to be a bad thing. When is that?
D. If only we could find some evidence as to what voter's think is important?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/...migration.aspx

Its pretty much always the economy though these days healthcare is a close first. Though I suspect for some voters its because they want some universal system and for others its because they loath such an ideas. The economy is pretty straight forward, everyone wants basically the same thing which is oddly what we have currently. Low unemployment and rising wages, although we all now know those numbers are not the whole picture.

Saddly, barring an economic shock of some sort, Trump will get re-elected if he runs, he will almost certainly win the popular vote this time.
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Old 9th May 2019, 06:42 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Clinton had the peace dividend and the dot com boom, neither of which were really his doing.
The graph isn't about credit or blame, just data.

But since you mentioned it, Clinton also had a rather large tax increase, which was his doing, and which did not wreck the economy.
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Old 9th May 2019, 10:16 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
You started in 2006.

Is Trump's start better than Obama's? Absolutely. Better than Clinton's? No.
I give Obama quite a bit of credit for reducing the rate of debt increase substantially. At this time, Trump has further reduced that rate, but only by a small amount.
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Old 12th May 2019, 05:48 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by ServiceSoon View Post
I give Obama quite a bit of credit for reducing the rate of debt increase substantially. At this time, Trump has further reduced that rate, but only by a small amount.
Your previous graph included included Clinton's presidency. Why did you leave it out of this second graph?
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Old 22nd May 2019, 10:47 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by ServiceSoon View Post
Thus far, the amount of debt accumulated by Trump is less than Obama’s (By about half), and if we take the unemployment level as measure of success of that debt, then Trumpian Economics resulted in a higher ROI for that debt.
Application of potential naivety via simple math...

1/2 the debt in 1/4 the time, if continued, results in 2X the debt over the same interval.
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