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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:44 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Wait, you mean his team won't be dissolved after this?
Tom Brady could beat the President to death with a hooker and the team wouldn't be dissolved.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:47 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Tom Brady could beat the President to death with a hooker
I wish he would.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:54 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Wait, you mean his team won't be dissolved after this?
No. All that will happen is that everyone will have something new to talk about. And the Patriots will win more Super Bowls.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:55 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
No. All that will happen is that everyone will have something new to talk about. And the Patriots will win more Super Bowls.
...did you really think I was serious?
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:56 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
GIves all new meaning to the term "The Patriot Way".
That a win isn't as satisfying unless they cheat?
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:56 AM   #46
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I keep on wondering why these rich idiotic men do not simply go to some place like Nevada and simply hire the men and/or women that they want.

After all, these men can definitely afford such an arrangement and such an arrangement would keep them out of the newspapers.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:58 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
That a win isn't as satisfying unless they cheat?
I'm sure he feels deflated now.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:58 AM   #48
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I hope he learned the Smollett lesson, and will just admit it and pay the fine.

I mean this is a misdemeanor?
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Old 22nd February 2019, 11:59 AM   #49
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I keep on wondering why these rich idiotic men do not simply go to some place like Nevada and simply hire the men and/or women that they want.

After all, these men can definitely afford such an arrangement and such an arrangement would keep them out of the newspapers.
I have been asking that since the Weinstein story broke.
Hell, they don't even have to go to Nevada. Most big cities have very discreet call girl services who specialize in wealthy clients who want to keep it quiet.
Such service is expensive,but it's not like people like Kraft and Weinstein can't afford it. Hell, it would not even make a small dent in their petty cash fund.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:01 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
I hope he learned the Smollett lesson, and will just admit it and pay the fine.

I mean this is a misdemeanor?
It's not about the legal penalaties, it's about the public embarrassment.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:03 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
...did you really think I was serious?
Actually, it does introduce a fair amount of chaos at a tme when the Pats need to be planning for the post Brady era. Yes, Brady is incredible for someone aged 41, but 41 is 41,and he has only two of three more years at the most.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:10 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
...did you really think I was serious?
It happens to me too. I post something totally not serious and people here think that it is.
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My guess would be that professional porn isn't prostitution because the actor isn't paying the actress for sex.
Sometimes he is, actually. I don't think this distinction matters.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:15 PM   #54
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Well, there is the juxtaposition of poor human trafficking victims having to tug on this very rich man's schwanz.
Yes, if they were in fact trafficked, and not just doing a crappy job in exchange for getting to the U.S. Paradoxically, most of the problems associated with prostitution in the U.S. are the result of it being illegal. A woman who needs help is committing a crime herself. In countries (and even Nevada counties) where prostitution is legal, the business is licensed and regulated, the cops know who's doing what, and a hooker is free to go to the police like any other businessperson and ask for assistance.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:20 PM   #55
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I keep on wondering why these rich idiotic men do not simply go to some place like Nevada and simply hire the men and/or women that they want.

After all, these men can definitely afford such an arrangement and such an arrangement would keep them out of the newspapers.
He doesn't want anyone to know.

The way he is doing it, only his chauffeur knows. The women at the spa have no idea who he is because they don't even know what the New England Patriots are.

Nevada involves too many people knowing who you are. A Heidi Fleiss madam is too risky. Somebody is going to get it on tape and then blackmail you or just go straight to press.

For him, the local spa seems to be safer and it's just a short ride away.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:21 PM   #56
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Sometimes he is, actually. I don't think this distinction matters.
I thought that porn actors receive paychecks instead of issue paychecks.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:24 PM   #57
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I'll bet he would be the best tipper of the week.
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Look, the legal pananlites, from what we know, for Kraft are going to be slight(unless it comes out that coercion was used). But Kraft is in the entertainment business, and in the entertainment business you live or die by your public image,and his squeaky clean image took a hit...a big one.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:32 PM   #59
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Is he guilty of the presumption of innocents?
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Look, the legal pananlites, from what we know, for Kraft are going to be slight(unless it comes out that coercion was used). But Kraft is in the entertainment business, and in the entertainment business you live or die by your public image,and his squeaky clean image took a hit...a big one.
Patriots fans abandon their team. Nobody goes to the games anymore. Nobody watches as they go on to win yet another Super Bowl.
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Old 22nd February 2019, 12:40 PM   #61
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all kinda flies in the face of the gillette ad. irony.
The best a man can get??
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Patriots fans abandon their team. Nobody goes to the games anymore. Nobody watches as they go on to win yet another Super Bowl.
Lions fans haven't abandoned their team, and they haven't even been to a Super Bowl.

The Fords still own the Lions.

A rub and tug at a rub and tug retail store, is not going to alienate the fans.
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not going to alienate the fans.
Of course it won't. It will be taken in stride and they will share a hundred new jokes about it.
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Is he guilty of the presumption of innocents?
Presdumption of innocence applies in the court room, but does not apply in the area of public opinion. Just ask Harvey Weinstein who has not been actually convicted of anything yet.
As stated, in the world of entertainment, image is everything.
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Lions fans haven't abandoned their team, and they haven't even been to a Super Bowl.

The Fords still own the Lions.

A rub and tug at a rub and tug retail store, is not going to alienate the fans.
Especially not Patriots fans. Makes him more relatable, if anything.
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Yes, if they were in fact trafficked, and not just doing a crappy job in exchange for getting to the U.S. Paradoxically, most of the problems associated with prostitution in the U.S. are the result of it being illegal. A woman who needs help is committing a crime herself. In countries (and even Nevada counties) where prostitution is legal, the business is licensed and regulated, the cops know who's doing what, and a hooker is free to go to the police like any other businessperson and ask for assistance.
As the articles linked in the OP stated, this was a human trafficking sting operation. Mr. Kraft, of all people, could have easily directed his private plane to Nevada, Germany or Guadalajara, but he didn't.
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Presdumption of innocence applies in the court room, but does not apply in the area of public opinion. Just ask Harvey Weinstein who has not been actually convicted of anything yet.
As stated, in the world of entertainment, image is everything.
You missed the word play. It was subtle, but it still made me sad to see that you missed it.
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The best a man can get??
double entendre. nicely done
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As the articles linked in the OP stated, this was a human trafficking sting operation. Mr. Kraft, of all people, could have easily directed his private plane to Nevada, Germany or Guadalajara, but he didn't.
We don't know if any of the prostitutes here were trafficked.
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Ted: "Officer, I am about to have sex with this woman."
Officer: "Is the woman agreeing?"
Ted: "Oh absolutely!"
Officer: "Well good luck and a fine day to you Sir!"
Ted: "But... I'm going to give her money."
Officer: "Well know that complicates things. Are you giving her the money for sex?"
Ted: "Well let's say I just give her money and by pure coincidence she agrees to have sex with me?"
Officer: "Well I suppose that would be okay."
Ted: "But if we were to implicitly agree to trade sex for money..."
Officer: "Then it becomes illegal..."
Ted: "... but we film it."
Officer: "Legal again!"
Ted: "But I'm only filming it for private use."
Officer: "Sorry, illegal."
Ted: "What if I distribute it for others to see?"
Officer: "You mean on Youtube? Not so good."
Ted: "What if I create a pay website and put it there?"
Officer: "Legal."
Ted: "Even if I don't have any paying customers?"
Officer: "Still perfectly fine. Have fun."
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Ted: "Officer, I am about to have sex with this woman."
Officer: "Is the woman agreeing?"
Ted: "Oh absolutely!"
Officer: "Well good luck and a fine day to you Sir!"
Ted: "But... I'm going to give her money."
Officer: "Well know that complicates things. Are you giving her the money for sex?"
Ted: "Well let's say I just give her money and by pure coincidence she agrees to have sex with me?"
Officer: "Well I suppose that would be okay."
Ted: "But if we were to implicitly agree to trade sex for money..."
Officer: "Then it becomes illegal..."
Ted: "... but we film it."
Officer: "Legal again!"
Officer, what if I am paying her to go away afterwards?

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I thought that porn actors receive paychecks instead of issue paychecks.
It's not unknown for adult performers to be producers as well.
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It's not unknown for adult performers to be producers as well.
ANybody who has seen "Boogie Nights" knows that.
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One thing that gives me pause in the story is the categorical denial of "doing anything illegal" from Kraft's lawyers.

I wouldn't expect billionaires' lawyers to advise counterproductive denials when the cops have video tape. "We've seen no evidence [yet]..." or "We'll respond to the charges in due course..." would be more typical. (Of course, if their client insists on denying it anyhow they have to go with that, "Mr. Kraft denies...", but I'd think most billionaires are used to taking their lawyers' advice most of the time.) So, is there something else to the story? Might the police have been too excited by catching a big fish to carefully assess what actually happened on the table? For instance, if Kraft solicited a spanking (as in, hand, buttocks, that kind), or for the girl to strip while he did himself, would that be illegal? Lord knows a lot of people from Massachusetts have unconventional tastes, and the guy's 77 after all.
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If I was Kraft and I was totally guilty I would have my lawyer categorically deny anything illegal. I would start from there.
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Pretty stupid.

He could have gone to any number of places where prostitution is legal and regulated.

He could afford to be the sugar daddy for any number of willing young ladies.

Why is he at a two-bit sex trafficking salon...
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Why would the owner of one of the most successful and profitable sports teams in modern history even be at a second rate strip mall "Asian Massage" parlor between an nail salon and a Thai restaurant in Jupiter, Florida?
He needed strange?

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Dude this rich doesn't have Heidi Fleiss's number or something?
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Pretty stupid.

He could have gone to any number of places where prostitution is legal and regulated.
Then he has to explain to his family why he is in rural Nevada or wherever he would go. What if he wants this sex weekly?

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That looks ugly to your family members. He can't hide in public.

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Why is he at a two-bit sex trafficking salon...
Because nobody knows except his chauffeur. And he can stop there anytime during the day for a half hour or less. Nobody knows and to him it seems like a safe and good situation.
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You missed the word play. It was subtle, but it still made me sad to see that you missed it.
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Look, the legal pananlites, from what we know, for Kraft are going to be slight(unless it comes out that coercion was used). But Kraft is in the entertainment business, and in the entertainment business you live or die by your public image,and his squeaky clean image took a hit...a big one.
Yeah but this is sports. Joe Paterno is still practically demigod in Pennsylvania despite covering up mass child rape. Mike Tyson had some of his biggest fights after being convicted of rape.
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