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30th December 2012, 09:26 AM | #161 |
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30th December 2012, 09:35 AM | #162 |
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How about 15 round assault weapon!!
LOL!! Nice, you've outlawed the two of the most popular handguns in America!! Nice going!! Now what will those maniacs use to go on armed shooting sprees?? Oh ****. Holds 8 rounds No waiting period. Now what? Go back to black powder rifles? Wanna try again at this definition of an assault weapon???? |
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Meet The Press had an interesting segment about 40 minutes in.
It included Tom Brokaw holding up a Shotgun News and saying he subscribed. Plenty there to agree or disagree with in the discussion - just putting it out there. There's a Meet The Press app that you can watch it on, possibly after some delay. |
30th December 2012, 09:50 AM | #164 |
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The more I read, the more I think trying to ban weapons is not the way to go in the USA.
The only agreed on issue is to keep guns off criminals and nuts, so why not concentrate on getting the guns off them? |
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30th December 2012, 09:58 AM | #165 |
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Yep. Enforce the laws already on the books. I say free those incarcerated on non-violent drug charges. Legalize pot--extra revenue and just might chill us Americans the hell out. All the extra space that just opened up in the prisons can be used to put away those with firearm charges. Stop this nonsense:
"Eighty-two percent of all jail time imposed by Baltimore’s Criminal Courts for gun offenders charged with [misdemeanor gun] crimes this year was suspended." http://www.baltimorecity.gov/Residen...tatistics.aspx |
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30th December 2012, 10:22 AM | #167 |
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The non violent drug users in the UK are primarily in prison because they failed to pay fines, do community service or failed drug testing and treatment orders. They are not there for the original charge. I don't know how it works out in the USA, but if it is the same then it is not a simple matter of releasing such criminals as they they go on to ignore even more the original punishment.
People who commit a crime whilst in possession of gun, commit a gun crime such as illegal possession or act as illegal dealers should be looking at long term prison sentences, in all cases. |
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It appears to be more to do with failure to enforce and punish that the actual laws. If you start by enforcing the laws as they are, switching to the maximum punishments available, you will then see which ones work and which ones do not and then start to look at any changes needed.
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Again, you're trying to make them magically disappear. We were talking about a workable solution. Accidents happen, I'm not trying to make light of this but on the same note we could bring up hundreds of ways people get killed that we also have no real way to control. You keep trying to make this emotional, I'm trying to discuss a practical solution.
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I give a Krugerrand to my neighbor in exchange for an AR15.
In the world some are painting here... 1) Do I go to jail, and is it a misdemeanor or a felony? 2) Does he go to jail, and is it a misdemeanor or a felony? 3) What mechanism is involved that a private transaction like this would ever be discovered by law enforcement, assuming that the weapons are never used in a crime. There's a lot of devil in a lot of details in this imagined scenario. Short of a police state, private transactions will always be "below the radar". And will make criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. Be careful what you wish for! |
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I changed your hypothetical to show how we deal with that very question and how silly it is to throw your hands up just because something is under the table. If you got busted, you'd be prosecuted, the same way you would if you got caught with something else that society restricts.
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Got it.
The number of Americans involved in "illegal behavior" will increase geometrically - I predict tens of millions new felons will be created overnight if some of the laws suggested ever come to fruition. Not sure that's what we need, but if you want to build the prisons for all these new criminals, which would include perhaps a majority of my friends and neighbors, then go for it. |
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BTW; a t-shirt available at a gun show. 0_o |
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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30th December 2012, 05:42 PM | #184 |
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Not really. It is the politicians that get on camera to promote a stupid gun ban that will not prevent any significant amount of crime and merely serves to make more victimless crimes. The same idiots who promoted the 1994 AWB are promoting this ban.
Remember when Obama was first elected and people were talking about a new AWB and guns and ammo flew off the shelves? It was an election and not a mass murder. The same kinds of misguided individuals that bought up guns and ammo back in 2008 are doing it again. Ranb |
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Actually it has been the last ten years or so. You ever read the banner at the top of the page? It says that this forum is "a place to discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly and lively way". That is the way it normally is.
But when guns come up for discussion, even not related to politics, people who discuss guns in a positive manner are open to personal attacks, libel and accusations of law breaking. I was sexually harassed on the forum for discussing guns for a year before the mods could be bothered to take any action to stop it. Some people who can be expected to be rational at most times will make up any bizarre claim they feel like and expect the others here to be stupid enough to believe it as long as it is about firearms. The mod team has told me that this is perfectly acceptable behavior, but criticizing it is not allowed. On the JREF forum is it politically correct to bash gun owners just for discussing a hobby or when we correct the usual misconception that guns are illegal in the USA. If you do not believe me, ask Scrut, Crossbow, Tricky or any of the mods. Ranb |
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Things are improving. But why make up crap when the truth works better? We don't stand for it as a group when accusations of Obama's alien birth come up; ditto for claims that Bush let 9/11 happen on purpose. It just makes the forum look bad.
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I've stated this before in other threads, but I would be more concerned if I encountered an armed adversary with a Marlin Guide Gun (lever action, 45/70)
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firear...bore/1895g.asp Than the same adversary with an AK or AR platform rifle. |
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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