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8th January 2013, 07:34 PM | #361 |
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It impaired Gabby Gifford's shooter. Was that just a fluke?
And yes, i have changed magazines in a pistol. It took about ten seconds but i wasn't in a hurry. But it wasn't a stressful situation either. Every reload is a chance to be neutralized...there is a reason armies like larger magazines. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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10 seconds is weak. No wonder your views on magazine size is skewed.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Really? You're afraid that an inanimate object could sprout legs and hands, walk to you, and pull it's own trigger? Awesome.
It is. Quite. Can you elaborate? I'm not sure if that is a thinly veiled insult or not. |
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"Political correctness is a doctrine,...,which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." "I pointed out that his argument was wrong in every particular, but he rightfully took me to task for attacking only the weak points." Myriad http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6853275#post6853275 |
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Bingo. Thanks for spoiling my entire point though! DAMN YOU!!
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Oooh...warriors!
Here's Colion Noir to explain it for you:
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I love that guy!!
10-1 says that Thai doesn't get it, and the point again, goes over his head. |
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Born in San Antonio, raised in northern Arkansas. Live in northern Virginia. But what does it matter? Does it make my opinion count more or less than someone in Europe say or Australia, or Canada? Does it mean more if you know that I'm an Army veteran??
Either you have a reasoned rebuttal to my opinion or you don't. (shrug) I just put it out there, I wasn't really inviting debate. What I wrote really isn't debatable. It's just the culmination of the despair I feel after talking about this subject with you folks. There was once a time on this board when I had much to learn...looks like the JREF forum doesn't have a thing to teach me any longer unless it's how entropy chips away at the quality of antiquated social media haunts... (sadface) -z |
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So the main part of his argument is that he wants an assault rifle to defend himself from attackers who are also armed with assault rifles. I am so glad I do not live somewhere with that kind of fear.
Since there are so many assault rifles in civilian and criminal hands in the USA I think it is pointless to ban them. |
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Not only that, but because with that level of ownership their use in crimes is remarkably low.
Feinstein is a fanatic. Her fixation on "assault weapons" is not derived from actual crime rates. Frankly I don't know where it comes from, other than phobia. I haven't seen the video you refer to, but that mindset hasn't been my experience WRT people who own military-style semiautomatics (myself included). |
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Why is there always this insistence to attribute gun owner's motives to fear and paranoia? Is it a passive aggressive thing? Is it to get a rise out of the gun owners? Is it simply that foreigners and gun grabbers hate guns so much that they can't think of any other reason to own firearms?
Again, back to my point about "preppers". Preparing for emergencies is just common sense. For example, my car. I have a 4 and a 5 year old. This time of year I have blankets in the trunk, along with my regular repair kit and first aid kit, and I always dress myself and my kids like we're going to have to get out and walk. I keep my cell phone fully charged at all times. I have a new 2012 car and drive on (usually well plowed and maintained) roads. It doesn't snow much around here, and when it does, it's (usually) cleaned up quickly. The chances of being stuck and actually having to use the supplies, or walk anywhere--close to none. However, I don't think anyone would criticize me for taking these precautions. But the fact that I carry a gun in case **** happens--well that's unforgivable! The kids might grab my gun off my hip and shoot themselves! That's as unlikely as getting stuck in a remote place with no cell service, but it's a scary gun! |
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Maybe because if handguns were banned, she wouldn't be able to carry one herself.
(To be fair, she claims she doesn't do that anymore. But when she did, she was the only one in San Francisco allowed to...and I'm sure being mayor had nothing to do with it.) I think her reasoning is the same as the Wedge Strategy. Even other gun owners sometimes have a hard time wrapping their head around someone wanting an AR-15 (or what have you). So pick on the unpopular minority for now and wait for it to pick up momentum later. All speculation of course. As I've said before, politicians like stuff like this because it's easy, doesn't risk their jobs as much (arguable, giving the 1996 mid-terms), and prevents having to do the heavy lifting of really solving problems...like getting guns out of the hands of criminals and maniacs. |
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He wants an assault rifle to protect himself from criminals from assault rifles. I am glad I do not have the need to do such a thing. There, less emotive, happier now? Have you got a better understanding of what I was saying?
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I wonder how many of those who responded that they don't own guns are in a jurisdiction that severely restricts gun ownership.
Right, we prefer words like "self-reliant", "independent","responsible". They are either, unfortunately, living in a jurisdiction that severely restricts their rights, or live in a fantasy land where the government will always be there,in time to protect them. |
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Fear of crime is a recognised term, the subject of much academic study. It does not mean out and out fear where you are literally scared all the time. There are people with no fear of crime.
But to say you have no fear and yet you still feel the need to arm yourself against criminals suggests you are not really telling the truth. Actions speaking louder than words. Or maybe there are people who need a gun as a prop, a security blanket to make them feel safe. |
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I think we are arguing about semantics. I am talking about fear of crime where you can no fear of crime or a bit or some or lots.
I am not inclined to believe someone who has guns for defence who says they have no fear of crime compared to someone who has no guns for defence. |
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Nessie, I invite you to familiarize yourself with a man called Jeff Cooper as a way to see how gun owners see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cooper
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Perhaps. What you call "fear" and others would call "paranoia", I simply call "preparedness". I've been robbed several times, twice by people I knew. If I had been home, I would have been a witness able to identify them.
I own a Remington 870. That's a general purpose shotgun as far as I'm concerned. It can be used for home defense if need be and won't penetrate the walls. Where I live isn't terribly bad, but break-ins do occur from time to time. I don't expect to ever confront a burglar. I hope I don't. But I have limited ways out of my house if someone came in the back door. Also I'm disabled, so running for it is out even if I could get out my window. In the event that I have a close encounter of the worst kind, I want to be prepared for it. |
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I see he likes semantics as well. I have read that before and think he is one of the reasons why so many gun owners think they can present themselves as having no fear to no gun owners, but the gun acts to send out a contrary signal they do fear crime. Either that or they are a vigilante.
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Glad you brought that up.
I'm in "yellow" quite a bit of the time - not because fear, but because of habit. In my days as a rent-a-cop I was also a de facto early warning system for building issues when maintenance couldn't be there, so I mentally trained myself to be aware of my surroundings nearly all the time. After eight years it became second nature. It comes in handy these days when I work around tigers. Also great for trips to the woods and spotting wildlife that has a knack for staying hidden. |
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I don't think that recognizing that crime occurs and being prepared to confront criminals is being afraid of crime.
I don't think that recognizing that fires occur and being prepared to confront them is being afraid of fires. I think both are realistic understandings of the world, combined with an understanding that being prepared is an individual responsibility. |
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Does insurance of any kind send out signals of fear to you? Its purpose is to defray the cost of unlikely events. People that are aware that accidents/theft/sickness/etc. happen prefer to have insurance.
I don't stock my car for fear of getting into a mess, I do it because I am aware that being prepared is the intelligent thing to do. Perhaps it is semantics, and in that case perhaps words can be chosen that are least likely to offend and close off discussion. |
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