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9th January 2013, 01:29 PM | #401 |
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It's pretty clear that the words "fear" and afraid are being used due to the emotional response they usually generate.
I say the ant-gunners are "afraid" of personal responsibility, and potential confrontation. MUCH less scary to close one's eyes and hope the bad guys go away. |
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Nessie, by your logic, is insurance a "need" or a security blanket? Because gun owners feel the same way about owning a gun. They just see it as insurance.
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9th January 2013, 05:58 PM | #408 |
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...for-civilians/
"The primary reason the military adopted the M-16 in 5.56 is because of the LOW recoil, and amount of ammo that a warrior can carry into battle. The .223 is the smallest the military would adopt at the time." |
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This is about half a mile from my house.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archive....php?ref=fpblg You gun nuts are making it really hard to give two ***** about your stupid *********** hobby. For those who don't know, that's right by a kids amusement park. ********. |
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What is a "Broad brush" Alex?
PS. Did they break the law? Seems as they didn't. I don't support going out and scaring people like that though. Dumb move. Agreed. |
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This affects me personally. First, the shooting in Clackamas, and now legally carrying freaks who go shutting down schools in my neighborhood. What sized brush should I use and how much should I give a crap about you guys and your toys while my neighbors call 911 in terror?
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Dude, de-caf, seriously
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Insurance is a need or want that can also be described as a security blanket. On similar lines are warranties. I do not bother with any warranty, instead I self warranty. This is all down to finances. I know there is a very low risk of losing my entire house, but I could never afford to re-build it, so I insure it. I insure one of my motorbikes fully comprehensively as it is new and I would struggle to replace/repair it. I insure my other bike third party only as it cheap and I can afford to replace/repair it.
I modify due to risk. I see many gun owners as not doing that. They assume the highest risk and so can react very inappropriately to lower risk situations by shooting. I believe that because of instances such as Andrew De Vreis and Yoshihiro Hattori, tourists shot by scared gun owners and studies of DGUs, such as the Harvard School of Public Health that case suspicion on the appropriateness of the use of the gun. Then other instances such as the police officer shooting the naked student on drugs, the man who shot and killed a youth in a SUV which was playing loud music and Trayvon Martin. It is the assessment of risk that is all squeued with many gun owners. |
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I can see no problem with making gun owners take out a compulsory insruance policy when ever they purchase one, just like a car, while guns are designed to be lethal and cars are not, but if there is an accident involving one then they would be covered, or if it was stolen and traced back to the original owner after being used by a crim then the insurance can cover any damages that could be incurred.
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I understand your point, and I agree. I rarely open carry, and when I do, it's not a rifle, unless I am hunting.
One that doesn't encompass every legal, respectful, gun owner. But, doubtful you'll understand that not everyone agrees with their actions. Labeling an entire group because of the actions of a few, is dumb. Just as if I labeled everyone from Oregon as a drunk who kills kids, because a drunk driver from Oregon killed a family on their way to Disney. Wouldn't be fair would it? I don't care how you feel. But when you post blatant broad brush statements, telling us that you don't care, blah blah blah, you make yourself look like an emotional freak who cannot think logically. If you want to have an opinion, fine, no problem there. But base it off of facts, and use logic to come to that opinion. Fact: You didn't see the dozen or so other people who have a CWP in your state that you walked by, did you? Of course not. I don't want to ban alcohol because a few people misuse it. But yet, you want to do that, with guns. Now, I understand alcohol isn't designed to kill, so let's not go down that ignorant road again. |
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I need my guns to enhance my firearm collection; in other words I simply want them instead. My gun collection is more secure than that of the police/FBI as evidenced by +20 years of never losing one or allowing one to be used in any crime. I can also be trusted more with a gun than the Kennedy clan can with cars, airplanes and golf clubs.
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Two ******** shut down an elementary school. People frantically dialed 911 thinking there's another shooting rampage happening, and it's all because gun nuts wanted to "educate" the public. It worked. I now know you guys are *********** nuts. And you don't care how we feel about that and think the normal people are the freaks?
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I do go out armed on accasion. I'm not aware of any police guns being lost while tackling the bad guys. The great majority of lost gun incidents I have read about were cases of carelessness on the part of the officer it was issued to. There is also the occasional theft by corrupt police officers.
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By the way. If all you normal, law abiding, responsible gun owners would have reacted with horror at this incident instead of snark and hand waving, I'd have a lot more confidence that there was such a thing as normal, law abiding, responsible gun owners.
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Apparently not. Since they are part of the super class of Responsible Gun Owners who got themselves a CCW permit, they can also "open carry" anywhere in the city. And it seems the overriding message is here is that they carried their assault rifles around a school "because they could".
In contrast to this, there was a young woman who went around topless in NYC to demonstrate that in NYC, being topless is legal. That was actually kind of awesome, since unlike guns, boobs are beautiful. But there was a huge outrage over it. I think the fact that there was more outrage over boobs in public than guns in public shows a serious character flaw in the population. |
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I made myself arbiter of my own standards, thank you very much. At least you're saving your name calling for the two guys and not me, unlike Triforcharity.
They can't be charged with anything, because the NRA passed open carry laws all over the country. And since they could carry, they did, eschewing any concern for "how we feel about it". The point must be made that in a normal society, the fact that you don't brandish weapons in a normal shopping area "because you can" is just common sense and common decency. Then you can make the case that you don't need laws against it, since no one would ever do something so insane. And yet last month people did it in Connecticut, they did it at Obama rallies, and they did it here in my neighborhood (where I go ride my bike). So now I support abolishing open carry laws, since your right to open carry is conflicting with my right to not have insane gun nuts carrying guns around me and my family. |
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It seems that you need to work on swaying the population to your way of thinking.
Do you think that your recent posts are conducive to that? FWIW, my 2c on these guys: They hurt their own cause. The only "educating" they achieved was to reinforce peoples pre-existing worries about gun nuts. |
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Bringing AR-15s into a school less than a month after Sandy Hook is an appropriate time to panic. I don't think that's too irrational. These two guys are dumber than stones for doing this, and do their (and my) side no good by doing it.
If they wanted to educate, they should have arranged for a uniformed policeman to do the educating - or at the absolute least, accompany them. |
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