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10th January 2013, 09:34 AM | #441 |
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Not a problem. I do think there's room for reasoned debate and compromise here. Nessie's proposals are sensible too.
That was my first thought, too. It was raised early in the "arm the teachers" nonsense that gun-free-zones (i.e., schools) are armed-resistance-free-zones by default. And this isn't the first case of this since Newtown, school or not. One dolt in NY (IIRC) was walking around his neighborhood park with some kind of black rifle slung over his shoulder. Similar 911 calls and hilarity ensued. |
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Can you walk about openly carrying other weapons?
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I've changed my position from not liking our gun culture but agnostic on the 2nd amendment to now wanting serious changes. Actually, what I would like is an honest interpretation of the 2nd amendment, not the wet dream as envisioned by the NRA and Ted Nugent we have now.
Indeed, as do a healthy percentage of gun nuts posts on this forum. At some point people need to realize the "pre-existing worries" are justified and prevalent enough to warrant serious action to eliminate the gun culture mentality. |
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That is the default behavior of a person with a gun? I don't think so. I have not found that to be the case were I live, is it like that where you live? I have seen open carry by civilians and police, but never have I ever seen anyone carrying legally and using that gun to frighten anyone.
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I've had the same conversion. I used to be pretty certain that we should not ban guns, even if I agreed with things like background checks and restrictions on gun types and capacities. But in speaking with gun advocates, I've lost my sense that the majority of gun owners are responsible and trustworthy. I get the sense that they value their own gun rights far more than they value my rights to be left alone by their guns and that they are dealing with severe paranoia and hero fantasies.
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Sam Harris chimes in with answers for his critics. He makes one point in particular that I would like to bring up:
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And holy crap, this is my nephew's school.
http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...M1cMh7ASg.cspx
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I agree, dumb move, and only added a negative opinion, as opposed to being constructive.
So, again, back to the broad brushes. Care to actually address my point from the previous post? Or is it illogical..... No, I don't care that you don't like us. I really don't. You mean your illogical hatred of them based on the actions of a few? Oh, and not to be rude or anything, but I wasn't aware that because you don't like something, means that others around you cannot enjoy them. I wasn't aware there was a clause somewhere that said I should be inconvenienced because you're offended by something. Tough ****. |
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Perhaps you'll cite where it says that I should react with horror because two idiots did something stupid. Is there some kind of horror chart I should follow?
Myself, stank, and I'm sure others reacted similarly. Dumb, stupid move. Not smart. Dumbasses. Do you want me to cry? I did after Sandy Hook. |
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Ms. Feinstein lacks credability. Years ago when a serial killer named Richard Remirez was raping and murdering women in the bay area she announced publickly that the police had the shoeprints of the murderer. Ramirez promptly tossed them into the bay.
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And mine are much lower when it comes to horror and outrage.
Bull ****. Nowhere did I call you a name, now did I? But, you're welcome to report any of my posts and we'll see. The NRA didn't pass laws, the local and state lawmakers did. Hence, why we call them "lawmakers". No, that wasn't my point. My point was I don't care that you're horrified by this action. I'm not horrified, or outraged. I'm irritated. Sorry that I don't rise to your level. I'll try harder. Brandish =/= carry around. For your reading pleasure. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brandish And I agree, I don't like the idea of open carrying of a firearm, with a few exceptions. You're equating someone carrying a firearm, with gunning dozens of people down? Your priorities are so ****** up... Poisoning the well..... But, your right to not be offended, irritated or scared of something doesn't exist. But, you're welcome to show me where I can find that..... |
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By enforcing the laws we already have and stricter mental health screenings included with background checks. Simply punishing the vast majority of people who will never abuse the guns they own is not the right way to do it.
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My thoughts on the matter are criminals and illegal gun dealers need to be put away for very long prison terms, no sales without background checks and there need to be proper background checks for all firearms holders. Are we in agreement on that?
Do you think such actions count as punishing the lawful gun owners, or are they sensible actions that cause some extra cost and inconvenience for the benefit of all? |
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That's simple. Open the NICS. The seller simply gets a SALE/NO SALE, the potential buyer gets a notification of the check in the mail (to help eliminate identity theft) including the specific reason for the denial when appropritate (to help eliminate record errors). The vast majority of gun rights advocates would agree with this. BATFE would defecate a manmade rectangular parallelpiped composed of conglomorate minerals to give up that much power, though.
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Did you change your positions from the following?
a. No logical argument for gun ownership b. All citizens are potential criminals c. Gun owners are making up for small penises d. Men are much more passionate about their guns e. Gun owners choose target shooting over life (3. #271) |
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In other news, I've been to six stores and I can't find a single box of 9mm ammo, and I need four by Saturday for a class. THANKS A LOT FEINSTEIN--#1 ammo seller.
I could dig into my personal stash...but then I won't be as prepared for the zombies. Why the hell didn't I buy a .40? Plenty of that ammo...Hmmm...maybe I'll go gun shopping instead! |
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Every service member in my family and extended family. But, lemme guess, they're wrong and you're right....
No, ROF translates to the other guy not being able to come out of cover. Fire superiority. Incorrect. Reloading is done from cover and concealment. Not out in the open, at least 99% of the time. So, you're wrong again. So, go get your facts right, then come back. |
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