|
Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today. |
29th January 2013, 01:38 PM | #1081 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15,720
|
|
__________________
Audiophile/biker/sceptic |
|
29th January 2013, 01:41 PM | #1082 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,396
|
|
__________________
"There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Let your ears hear this beautiful song that's hiding underneath the sound," Ed Kowalczyk. |
|
29th January 2013, 01:46 PM | #1083 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15,720
|
|
__________________
Audiophile/biker/sceptic |
|
29th January 2013, 01:51 PM | #1084 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,396
|
Because a mass-shooter only needs one. More concerned relative to those with a collection.
Not to say everybody who wants just one is going to be a shooter - far from it. If I were to purchase the ACR I'd like, it would be my only one but only for financial reasons (and that was even before they doubled in price, thanks Diane! ). |
__________________
"There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Let your ears hear this beautiful song that's hiding underneath the sound," Ed Kowalczyk. |
|
29th January 2013, 02:16 PM | #1085 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,154
|
|
__________________
"Natural justice is a symbol or expression of usefullness, to prevent one person from harming or being harmed by another."-Epicurus Freedom of Speech is a right recognized in the First Amendment. Freedom from consequence is nowhere to be found. -Bstrong |
|
29th January 2013, 02:25 PM | #1086 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA
Posts: 7,870
|
|
29th January 2013, 02:27 PM | #1087 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,396
|
|
__________________
"There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Let your ears hear this beautiful song that's hiding underneath the sound," Ed Kowalczyk. |
|
29th January 2013, 02:47 PM | #1088 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,635
|
|
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
|
29th January 2013, 02:49 PM | #1089 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,635
|
|
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
|
29th January 2013, 03:02 PM | #1090 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,709
|
|
29th January 2013, 03:27 PM | #1091 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA
Posts: 7,870
|
|
29th January 2013, 03:41 PM | #1092 |
Banned
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,961
|
|
30th January 2013, 02:19 AM | #1093 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,812
|
"Blame Canada"
Apparently Chicago's violent crime problem is Canada's fault. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...195623390.html However, it didn't mention that Smith and Wesson also manufactures the pistols for the RCMP. This situation does seem to be somewhat of a pickle... |
__________________
"When they come around sweet talkin', don't listen" - Willie Stark |
|
30th January 2013, 02:31 AM | #1094 |
Graduate Poster
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,812
|
My dictionary defines 'arsenal' as "a public building for storing, making, or repairing military equipment of all kinds".
But hey, if fabricating your own definition to suit an agenda works for you then I say go for it! The recognized correct meaning for terms such as "assault rifle" and "high powered" are being completely ignored in the popular media so it's all good... |
__________________
"When they come around sweet talkin', don't listen" - Willie Stark |
|
30th January 2013, 04:45 AM | #1095 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15,720
|
|
__________________
Audiophile/biker/sceptic |
|
30th January 2013, 07:55 AM | #1096 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 6,248
|
Here in the US, paranoid homeowners shoot people for tuning into the wrong driveway. Is this collateral damage from gun lobby rhetoric about defending your home from invaders?
|
30th January 2013, 08:13 AM | #1097 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,396
|
A paranoid homeowner. Singular. To answer your (loaded) question: we don't know. Probably yes.
Home invasions do occur. It's rare. Fear over it is on par with fear about there being a pedophile behind every bush and corner. The NRA isn't alone in selling fear for profit. |
__________________
"There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Let your ears hear this beautiful song that's hiding underneath the sound," Ed Kowalczyk. |
|
30th January 2013, 09:46 AM | #1098 |
No Ordinary Rabbit
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wyoming, NY
Posts: 6,757
|
|
__________________
-------------------------------------- Stop asking me about that stupid fruity cereal...that's the OTHER rabbit! |
|
30th January 2013, 01:23 PM | #1099 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,154
|
I see so we must always find all possible influences for any persons actions and then blame those influences and not the person themselves . . . . I see.
Perhaps we should find what is influencing your inability to comprehend the concept of personal responsibility and restrict their ability to influence you? Yes, no? Why? |
__________________
"Natural justice is a symbol or expression of usefullness, to prevent one person from harming or being harmed by another."-Epicurus Freedom of Speech is a right recognized in the First Amendment. Freedom from consequence is nowhere to be found. -Bstrong |
|
30th January 2013, 01:25 PM | #1100 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,154
|
Your avoiding my question instead of answering it.
You said that you would not carry a defensive deadly weapon because were you live the rate of deadly encounters is not at the point in which you feel it would be needed. I am paraphrasing so please correct me if this meaning is not correct. So the corollary is very clear. At what rate would you carry? You are not the only person to make such statements, so anyone else that agrees with this assessment, please do feel free to answer and let me know what the rate of homicide would need to be for you to feel the need was relevant. You cannot on one hand say this and have no rate at which you would carry. Definition of irrational.
Quote:
|
__________________
"Natural justice is a symbol or expression of usefullness, to prevent one person from harming or being harmed by another."-Epicurus Freedom of Speech is a right recognized in the First Amendment. Freedom from consequence is nowhere to be found. -Bstrong |
|
30th January 2013, 03:36 PM | #1101 |
Philosopher
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 6,248
|
The guy blowing away the kid who drove into the wrong driveway is an extreme example, but it's far from the only one. People end up shooting their own kid who is sneaking home after staying out late. Or the drunk that walks into the wrong unit in a row of identical townhouses.
Yes, there are home invasions. Some of them are actually fights between rival gangs. Some are attempts to rob the guy growing pot in his basement. Some are unarmed burglaries gone wrong. The burglars were just looking for stuff to steal and it didn't look like anyone was home. Few are homes targeted at random by criminal gangs intent on mayhem and murder. That loaded firearm kept ready fight off home invaders is far more likely be used on an innocent person. |
31st January 2013, 04:27 AM | #1102 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15,720
|
Just like the number of massacres does not spur the USA to do much about guns, neither does the number of supposed DGUs that are clearly murder.
If the British had a run of deaths in the name of self defence, but which were murder, I am sure we would act. It beggars belief that the USA will do precious little about this problem. |
__________________
Audiophile/biker/sceptic |
|
31st January 2013, 04:35 AM | #1103 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 15,720
|
I would not carry in normal day to day life. Just like the majority of Americans do right now. It is the minority who feel the need/want to have a gun for self defence. We know from the New York map of gun owners published in the newspaper that streets have some with and some without guns. I would be one of those without. Even in the highest crime areas there are people who do not have guns.
Do you think there should be a number of deaths beyond which it should be law that you have to carry a gun? As for rate of homicide, I would need there to be a war on and the UK is being invaded before I would carry.
Quote:
|
__________________
Audiophile/biker/sceptic |
|
31st January 2013, 10:49 AM | #1104 |
No Ordinary Rabbit
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wyoming, NY
Posts: 6,757
|
|
__________________
-------------------------------------- Stop asking me about that stupid fruity cereal...that's the OTHER rabbit! |
|
31st January 2013, 10:56 AM | #1105 |
Master Poster
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,154
|
Ok so clearly more caveats exist for you than just the probability of needing a deadly weapon.
I am honest with my bias. I stated clearly that I neglected to carry before I experienced the death of my friend. Stats did not matter before, and do not matter after. That such a situation can occur is all that matters to me. That it happened means it can happen again. It really is that simple for me. 365 days a year, 24 hours a day. I am not psychic, so instead I am prepared. |
__________________
"Natural justice is a symbol or expression of usefullness, to prevent one person from harming or being harmed by another."-Epicurus Freedom of Speech is a right recognized in the First Amendment. Freedom from consequence is nowhere to be found. -Bstrong |
|
1st February 2013, 07:22 AM | #1106 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,635
|
wow, why do you get to pick the correct definition of a word I'm using that just doesn't fit the context? That's just dishonesty at work.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arsenal |
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
|
1st February 2013, 07:24 AM | #1107 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,635
|
|
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
|
1st February 2013, 07:27 AM | #1108 |
Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,635
|
|
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|