[Merged] Australian Politics - The Morrison Period

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 07:53 PM

So we have a new Prime Minister, and that means a new period in Australian political history. XXXX has won the vote in the Liberal Party Room after the spill motion was carried 45-40. Scott Morrison defeated Peter Dutton, again 45 votes to 40.

psionl0 · 23rd August 2018, 07:54 PM

It has just been confirmed that Scott Morrison has won the second ballot in the party room 45-40. It doesn't promise much stability for the LNP government.

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 07:59 PM

Josh Frydenberg is the new deputy.

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 08:01 PM

I've send a report requesting that the two threads be combined.

psionl0 · 23rd August 2018, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I've send a report requesting that the two threads be combined.

Me too.

lionking · 23rd August 2018, 08:05 PM

The turd wins over potato head. Exciting times

Morrison can’t be turned into a human being in such a short time. And Dutton and Abbott won’t go away. Coalition still a shambles.

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

The turd wins over potato head. Exciting times

Morrison can’t be turned into a human being in such a short time. And Dutton and Abbott won’t go away. Coalition still a shambles.

Yep. Dutton would have pushed the party's head into the toilet faster, but that head is still going to go into that toilet.

psionl0 · 23rd August 2018, 08:46 PM

It has been revealed that in the first round of voting the results were:
Peter Dutton - 38
Scott Morrison - 36
Julie Bishop - 11

This means that Peter Dutton only got 2 of the votes that went to Julie Bishop. The remainder (9) went to Scott Morrison.

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 09:00 PM

Yeah, it's pretty well-established that the Turnbull loyalists were always going to vote for Morrison.

Wildy · 23rd August 2018, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

It has been revealed that in the first round of voting the results were:
Peter Dutton - 38
Scott Morrison - 36
Julie Bishop - 11

This means that Peter Dutton only got 2 of the votes that went to Julie Bishop. The remainder (9) went to Scott Morrison.

Where did you see that? I can't find anything on the first round anywhere.

ETA: Shouldn't this thread be subtitled the Morrison Months?

psionl0 · 23rd August 2018, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

Where did you see that? I can't find anything on the first round anywhere.

It was reported by a political analyst (who has contacts within the Liberal Party) on the 7 News so therefore, unofficial.

Originally Posted by Wildy

ETA: Shouldn't this thread be subtitled the Morrison Months?

I originally titled the previous thread "The Turnbull period" because I thought "years" would be an exaggeration. My choice (as for this one) proved to be unfalsifiable.

psionl0 · 23rd August 2018, 09:42 PM

Malcolm Turnbull's exit speech was fairly upbeat and positive. However, he managed to conclude with some pointed barbs aimed at Peter Dutton and Tony Abbott labeling them as "wreckers" and "insurgents" (a term used to describe terrorists) and almost gloating that Dutton failed to get up.

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 09:42 PM

When I started my thread I was originally going to title it "The Morrison Months" because I thought that the other thread was "The Turnbull Years". But I was wrong so I changed it to match.

"Stint" is fine. A stint is a brief period. It's appropriate.

arthwollipot · 23rd August 2018, 09:47 PM

Turns out that if Cormann, Cash and Fifield had voted against the spill motion today, it would have been defeated and Turnbull would still be PM.

Norman Alexander · 23rd August 2018, 10:09 PM

The ScoMo Seconds. With Malky resigning his seat, the LNP are now a minority. Labor can force an election if they play the independents properly. Given their performance over the last few days, Abbott and Dutton have just written their own political death warrants. They won't hold their seats.

Kid Eager · 23rd August 2018, 10:18 PM

What a shambles. It's a race to the bottom in a search for the least sucky leader of a sucky bunch of candidates.

quadraginta · 23rd August 2018, 10:34 PM

I just want to take this opportunity to say that following it from over here, your political theater looks like a lot more fun than ours. Kind of in the 'blood on the ice' way that watching a hockey game is fun.

It certainly is a lot harder to follow. I have trouble keeping up with all the players even with a program.

Anyhow ... thanks a lot and keep up the good work. Our homegrown politics are way too depressing.

rjh01 · 24th August 2018, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

I just want to take this opportunity to say that following it from over here, your political theater looks like a lot more fun than ours. Kind of in the 'blood on the ice' way that watching a hockey game is fun.

It certainly is a lot harder to follow. I have trouble keeping up with all the players even with a program.

Anyhow ... thanks a lot and keep up the good work. Our homegrown politics are way too depressing.

At least with ours the Government can fall and the party will be subject to the will of the people. The Americans are stuck with Trump until 2020.

This could well be the fate of the current government. The Liberals will need to do some fast organising. How many politicians will suddenly want to retire, either immediately (yes that is possible in Australian politics) or at the next election? If there are by-elections as a result it is possible the seats will be won by the Labor Party and so they win government without a general election.

psionl0 · 25th August 2018, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

It certainly is a lot harder to follow. I have trouble keeping up with all the players even with a program.

This facebook video may explain it better. https://www.facebook.com/10000030327...8116530875103/

Thor 2 · 25th August 2018, 02:25 PM

Tony Abbot has vowed he will work together with Scott Morrison. Scott must feel really comforted by this words.

Norman Alexander · 25th August 2018, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Tony Abbot has vowed he will work together with Scott Morrison. Scott must feel really comforted by this words.

He also vowed not to snipe or undermine Malcolm. And we all know how THAT went last Friday!

lionking · 26th August 2018, 06:27 PM

I haven’t heard Morrison’s faith mentioned. He is in record as saying that his faith guides his decisions. He is a Pentecostal, which isn’t as ******* crazy as some others, but could be problematic in a growing secular electorate. Abbott’s Catholicism influenced him as PM, but I can’t think of a PM in modern times apart from him where this was the case. Certainly not atheists like Gillard and Hawke, or committed Catholics like Keating. I don’t recall Howard ever playing the god card.

The other worrying thing is that committed god-botherers like Kevin Andrew might grow in influence.

arthwollipot · 27th August 2018, 07:27 PM

Sorry, Lionking. Pentecostal is about one of the most ******* crazy of the Christian denominations. It's changed quite a bit since I was one, though.

Dabop · 27th August 2018, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sorry, Lionking. Pentecostal is about one of the most ******* crazy of the Christian denominations. It's changed quite a bit since I was one, though.

I never was one, but had a friend who went through a phase in his teens and got involved in a Pentecostal church, and I must agree with arthwollipot, they are ******* crazy to put it mildly...

Norman Alexander · 28th August 2018, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Sorry, Lionking. Pentecostal is about one of the most ******* crazy of the Christian denominations. It's changed quite a bit since I was one, though.

Originally Posted by Dabop

I never was one, but had a friend who went through a phase in his teens and got involved in a Pentecostal church, and I must agree with arthwollipot, they are ******* crazy to put it mildly...

Then Pentacostal ScoMo is just the right person to lead the Libs just now. They deserve one crazy ****** as a leader.

Dabop · 28th August 2018, 12:55 AM

Remember Abbott's glee over the Labor 'who is the Prime Minister this week', saying how much more stable the libs would be?????

Wonder how he feels about that claim now????

The Atheist · 28th August 2018, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

I haven’t heard Morrison’s faith mentioned. He is in record as saying that his faith guides his decisions. He is a Pentecostal, which isn’t as ******* crazy as some others, but could be problematic in a growing secular electorate.

He still PM? It's been almost a week.

Hillsong seem as crazy as any church short of Westboro when I see them.

Morrison's pope being a Kiwi will do us as much good as Abbott's wife did.

Dabop · 28th August 2018, 02:45 AM

I got a giggle out of this one

Dabop · 28th August 2018, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

He still PM? It's been almost a week.

Hillsong seem as crazy as any church short of Westboro when I see them.

Morrison's pope being a Kiwi will do us as much good as Abbott's wife did.

I didn't know we had a new Pope, and he's a Kiwi???

lionking · 28th August 2018, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

He still PM? It's been almost a week.

Hillsong seem as crazy as any church short of Westboro when I see them.

Morrison's pope being a Kiwi will do us as much good as Abbott's wife did.

Is Hillsong fundamentally different to the Catholic Church? Transubstantiation is surely as kooky as the OT crap Hillsong preaches.

The Atheist · 28th August 2018, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dabop

I didn't know we had a new Pope, and he's a Kiwi???

Check the capitalisation.

But yes, your boss' boss is a Kiwi. Growing up in Lower Hutt, I'm not too surprised he found god. Most people arriving there say "Oh my god, what is this place?"

Originally Posted by lionking

Is Hillsong fundamentally different to the Catholic Church? Transubstantiation is surely as kooky as the OT crap Hillsong preaches.

I don't see the Catholics calling for transubstantiation to be taught in schools, while Hillsong does believe creationism and "intelligent design" should be.

Now the Catholics have decided child rape is bad, I'd say they're a fair bit less insane than Hillsong.

Morrison seems to be doing a pretty good job at this stage, though. He's taken immediate action on the drought that will win him votes.

My Aussie (right-wing) mate has suggested the LNP might have lucked on a winner.

arthwollipot · 28th August 2018, 04:42 PM

Liberals and Labor neck and neck in byelection race for Turnbull's seat – poll

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The major parties are neck and neck in the Sydney seat of Wentworth, and voters in the electorate are concerned that the new prime minister, Scott Morrison, is not as committed to action on climate change as Malcolm Turnbull was, according to a new opinion poll.

With Turnbull’s resignation about to trigger a byelection in the Sydney seat the former prime minister holds with a margin of 17.7%, the new ReachTel poll funded by the Australia Institute, with a sample size of 886 residents, suggests voters in Wentworth are focused on Morrison’s early steps on climate and energy.

While single-seat polls can be unreliable, the new survey suggests Wentworth voters are in a mood to punish the Liberals after the leadership civil war deposed their popular sitting member, with Labor polling 20%, the Greens 15% and interest in independent candidates in double digits in a poll taken on Monday night.

arthwollipot · 28th August 2018, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Is Hillsong fundamentally different to the Catholic Church? Transubstantiation is surely as kooky as the OT crap Hillsong preaches.

The Pentecostals, in their American incarnation, are the ones who handle snakes and drink poison. Australian pentecostals don't go quite that far, but they speak in tongues and prophecy and fall over when you pray for them.

quadraginta · 28th August 2018, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

The Pentecostals, in their American incarnation, are the ones who handle snakes and drink poison. Australian pentecostals don't go quite that far, but they speak in tongues and prophecy and fall over when you pray for them.

That could be something of a disadvantage in a combat situation.

Norman Alexander · 28th August 2018, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dabop

Remember Abbott's glee over the Labor 'who is the Prime Minister this week', saying how much more stable the libs would be?????

Wonder how he feels about that claim now????

He doesn't give a rats. And he's just accepted the position of "Envoy for Indigenous Affairs". Whatever did our indigenous brothers and sisters do to deserve that?!

arthwollipot · 28th August 2018, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

He doesn't give a rats. And he's just accepted the position of "Envoy for Indigenous Affairs". Whatever did our indigenous brothers and sisters do to deserve that?!

Yeah, that's not going to go well.

The good news is that this government is on the ropes. Even Bill Shorten could beat them in an election now.

lionking · 29th August 2018, 01:27 PM

Labor and Liberal are neck and neck in Wentworth according to recent polls. If Wentworth falls, so will the government.

arthwollipot · 29th August 2018, 06:09 PM

Canberra voters pan Zed Seselja after leadership coup role: poll

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Canberra voters would be less likely to vote for Liberal Senator Zed Seselja after his prominent role in the failed push by Peter Dutton to become leader of the party last week, a new poll shows.

In a poll of 808 voters in the new inner-city electorate of Canberra taken on Monday, 64.6 per cent of voters said the new Assistant Minister for Treasury and Finance's resignation from his former position in order to support Peter Dutton made them less likely to vote Liberal in the Senate. While 22.4 per cent said the week's events wouldn't change their vote, just 13 per cent said it made them more likely to vote for the government.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. To be fair, it should be made explicit that the poll was commissioned by the Greens, who are targeting seats in Canberra. I actually quite like the Green senate candidate - she is a game developer and expert in AI systems. Makes a nice change from all the bankers and lawyers.

arthwollipot · 29th August 2018, 06:16 PM

Also, this:

Bullying and intimidation claims by Julia Banks rock a divided Morrison government

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An explosive row over bullying and intimidation has rocked the Morrison government as a key MP vows to quit Parliament at the next election in a fresh sign the Liberal Party remains deeply split over last week's leadership turmoil.

The development is another blow to Prime Minister Scott Morrison as Labor prepares to exploit the imminent resignation of former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull to challenge the government’s authority on the floor of Parliament.

Victorian Liberal MP Julia Banks sparked a furore over the treatment of women in politics on Wednesday after announcing her intention to leave Parliament, declaring she had experienced bullying and intimidation by Liberal and Labor MPs.

Fairfax Media has spoken to several MPs who are also angry at the brutal politics displayed last week, when supporters of leadership contender Peter Dutton put pressure on their colleagues to bring down Mr Turnbull.

This government is on its last legs. Bill Shorten would really have to pull a miracle out of his pants to lose this one.

arthwollipot · 29th August 2018, 09:57 PM

Also, this:

Leaked emails reveal Peter Dutton overruled advice and granted au pair visa

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Messages between AFL boss Gillon McLachlan’s family and immigration minister’s office show border security concerns

An email trail between Peter Dutton’s office and relatives of the AFL boss Gillon McLachlan concerning the visa for an au pair has been leaked.

The emails run over 14 pages and concern Dutton’s decision to overrule border security advice and allow entry to Australia to the French woman, Alexandra Deuwel.

Guardian Australia revealed this week that Deuwel had her tourist visa cancelled when she attempted to enter the country in October 2015.

Border security staff raised suspicions that she intended to work and she had previously been counselled about visa conditions during an earlier stay in the country.

Au pair? Au myyy.

23rd August 2018, 07:53 PM	#1
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Australian Politics - The Morrison Period So we have a new Prime Minister, and that means a new period in Australian political history. XXXX has won the vote in the Liberal Party Room after the spill motion was carried 45-40. Scott Morrison defeated Peter Dutton, again 45 votes to 40.
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23rd August 2018, 07:54 PM	#2
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 16,864	Australian Politics - Scott Morrison's Stint It has just been confirmed that Scott Morrison has won the second ballot in the party room 45-40. It doesn't promise much stability for the LNP government.
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23rd August 2018, 07:59 PM	#3
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23rd August 2018, 08:01 PM	#4
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23rd August 2018, 08:02 PM	#5
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 16,864	Originally Posted by arthwollipot I've send a report requesting that the two threads be combined. Me too.
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23rd August 2018, 08:05 PM	#6
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,864	The turd wins over potato head. Exciting times Morrison can’t be turned into a human being in such a short time. And Dutton and Abbott won’t go away. Coalition still a shambles.
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23rd August 2018, 08:08 PM	#7
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Originally Posted by lionking The turd wins over potato head. Exciting times Morrison can’t be turned into a human being in such a short time. And Dutton and Abbott won’t go away. Coalition still a shambles. Yep. Dutton would have pushed the party's head into the toilet faster, but that head is still going to go into that toilet.
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23rd August 2018, 08:46 PM	#8
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 16,864	It has been revealed that in the first round of voting the results were: Peter Dutton - 38 Scott Morrison - 36 Julie Bishop - 11 This means that Peter Dutton only got 2 of the votes that went to Julie Bishop. The remainder (9) went to Scott Morrison.
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23rd August 2018, 09:00 PM	#9
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Yeah, it's pretty well-established that the Turnbull loyalists were always going to vote for Morrison.
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23rd August 2018, 09:24 PM	#10
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 11,000	Originally Posted by psionl0 It has been revealed that in the first round of voting the results were: Peter Dutton - 38 Scott Morrison - 36 Julie Bishop - 11 This means that Peter Dutton only got 2 of the votes that went to Julie Bishop. The remainder (9) went to Scott Morrison. Where did you see that? I can't find anything on the first round anywhere. ETA: Shouldn't this thread be subtitled the Morrison Months?
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23rd August 2018, 09:34 PM	#11
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 16,864	Originally Posted by Wildy Where did you see that? I can't find anything on the first round anywhere. It was reported by a political analyst (who has contacts within the Liberal Party) on the 7 News so therefore, unofficial. Originally Posted by Wildy ETA: Shouldn't this thread be subtitled the Morrison Months? I originally titled the previous thread "The Turnbull period" because I thought "years" would be an exaggeration. My choice (as for this one) proved to be unfalsifiable.
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23rd August 2018, 09:42 PM	#12
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 16,864	Malcolm Turnbull's exit speech was fairly upbeat and positive. However, he managed to conclude with some pointed barbs aimed at Peter Dutton and Tony Abbott labeling them as "wreckers" and "insurgents" (a term used to describe terrorists) and almost gloating that Dutton failed to get up.
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23rd August 2018, 09:47 PM	#14
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Turns out that if Cormann, Cash and Fifield had voted against the spill motion today, it would have been defeated and Turnbull would still be PM.
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23rd August 2018, 10:09 PM	#15
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	The ScoMo Seconds. With Malky resigning his seat, the LNP are now a minority. Labor can force an election if they play the independents properly. Given their performance over the last few days, Abbott and Dutton have just written their own political death warrants. They won't hold their seats.
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23rd August 2018, 10:18 PM	#16
Kid Eager Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,819	What a shambles. It's a race to the bottom in a search for the least sucky leader of a sucky bunch of candidates.
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23rd August 2018, 10:34 PM	#17
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	I just want to take this opportunity to say that following it from over here, your political theater looks like a lot more fun than ours. Kind of in the 'blood on the ice' way that watching a hockey game is fun. It certainly is a lot harder to follow. I have trouble keeping up with all the players even with a program. Anyhow ... thanks a lot and keep up the good work. Our homegrown politics are way too depressing.
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24th August 2018, 12:59 AM	#18
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 26,409	Originally Posted by quadraginta I just want to take this opportunity to say that following it from over here, your political theater looks like a lot more fun than ours. Kind of in the 'blood on the ice' way that watching a hockey game is fun. It certainly is a lot harder to follow. I have trouble keeping up with all the players even with a program. Anyhow ... thanks a lot and keep up the good work. Our homegrown politics are way too depressing. At least with ours the Government can fall and the party will be subject to the will of the people. The Americans are stuck with Trump until 2020. This could well be the fate of the current government. The Liberals will need to do some fast organising. How many politicians will suddenly want to retire, either immediately (yes that is possible in Australian politics) or at the next election? If there are by-elections as a result it is possible the seats will be won by the Labor Party and so they win government without a general election.
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25th August 2018, 12:56 AM	#19
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 16,864	Originally Posted by quadraginta It certainly is a lot harder to follow. I have trouble keeping up with all the players even with a program. This facebook video may explain it better. https://www.facebook.com/10000030327...8116530875103/
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25th August 2018, 02:25 PM	#20
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 6,524	Tony Abbot has vowed he will work together with Scott Morrison. Scott must feel really comforted by this words.
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25th August 2018, 02:36 PM	#21
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Tony Abbot has vowed he will work together with Scott Morrison. Scott must feel really comforted by this words. He also vowed not to snipe or undermine Malcolm. And we all know how THAT went last Friday!
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26th August 2018, 06:27 PM	#22
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,864	I haven’t heard Morrison’s faith mentioned. He is in record as saying that his faith guides his decisions. He is a Pentecostal, which isn’t as ******* crazy as some others, but could be problematic in a growing secular electorate. Abbott’s Catholicism influenced him as PM, but I can’t think of a PM in modern times apart from him where this was the case. Certainly not atheists like Gillard and Hawke, or committed Catholics like Keating. I don’t recall Howard ever playing the god card. The other worrying thing is that committed god-botherers like Kevin Andrew might grow in influence.
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27th August 2018, 07:27 PM	#23
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Sorry, Lionking. Pentecostal is about one of the most ******* crazy of the Christian denominations. It's changed quite a bit since I was one, though.
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27th August 2018, 11:34 PM	#24
Dabop Muse Join Date: May 2015 Location: Oz Posts: 953	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Sorry, Lionking. Pentecostal is about one of the most ***** crazy of the Christian denominations. It's changed quite a bit since I was one, though. I never was one, but had a friend who went through a phase in his teens and got involved in a Pentecostal church, and I must agree with arthwollipot, they are ***** crazy to put it mildly...
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28th August 2018, 12:42 AM	#25
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Sorry, Lionking. Pentecostal is about one of the most ***** crazy of the Christian denominations. It's changed quite a bit since I was one, though. Originally Posted by Dabop I never was one, but had a friend who went through a phase in his teens and got involved in a Pentecostal church, and I must agree with arthwollipot, they are *** crazy to put it mildly... Then Pentacostal ScoMo is just the right person to lead the Libs just now. They deserve one crazy **** as a leader.
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28th August 2018, 12:55 AM	#26
Dabop Muse Join Date: May 2015 Location: Oz Posts: 953	Remember Abbott's glee over the Labor 'who is the Prime Minister this week', saying how much more stable the libs would be????? Wonder how he feels about that claim now????
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28th August 2018, 02:42 AM	#27
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 27,909	Originally Posted by lionking I haven’t heard Morrison’s faith mentioned. He is in record as saying that his faith guides his decisions. He is a Pentecostal, which isn’t as ******* crazy as some others, but could be problematic in a growing secular electorate. He still PM? It's been almost a week. Hillsong seem as crazy as any church short of Westboro when I see them. Morrison's pope being a Kiwi will do us as much good as Abbott's wife did.
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28th August 2018, 02:45 AM	#28
Dabop Muse Join Date: May 2015 Location: Oz Posts: 953	I got a giggle out of this one
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28th August 2018, 02:46 AM	#29
Dabop Muse Join Date: May 2015 Location: Oz Posts: 953	Originally Posted by The Atheist He still PM? It's been almost a week. Hillsong seem as crazy as any church short of Westboro when I see them. Morrison's pope being a Kiwi will do us as much good as Abbott's wife did. I didn't know we had a new Pope, and he's a Kiwi???
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28th August 2018, 04:08 AM	#30
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,864	Originally Posted by The Atheist He still PM? It's been almost a week. Hillsong seem as crazy as any church short of Westboro when I see them. Morrison's pope being a Kiwi will do us as much good as Abbott's wife did. Is Hillsong fundamentally different to the Catholic Church? Transubstantiation is surely as kooky as the OT crap Hillsong preaches.
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28th August 2018, 11:32 AM	#31
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 27,909	Originally Posted by Dabop I didn't know we had a new Pope, and he's a Kiwi??? Check the capitalisation. But yes, your boss' boss is a Kiwi. Growing up in Lower Hutt, I'm not too surprised he found god. Most people arriving there say "Oh my god, what is this place?" Originally Posted by lionking Is Hillsong fundamentally different to the Catholic Church? Transubstantiation is surely as kooky as the OT crap Hillsong preaches. I don't see the Catholics calling for transubstantiation to be taught in schools, while Hillsong does believe creationism and "intelligent design" should be. Now the Catholics have decided child rape is bad, I'd say they're a fair bit less insane than Hillsong. Morrison seems to be doing a pretty good job at this stage, though. He's taken immediate action on the drought that will win him votes. My Aussie (right-wing) mate has suggested the LNP might have lucked on a winner.
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28th August 2018, 04:42 PM	#32
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Liberals and Labor neck and neck in byelection race for Turnbull's seat – poll Quote: The major parties are neck and neck in the Sydney seat of Wentworth, and voters in the electorate are concerned that the new prime minister, Scott Morrison, is not as committed to action on climate change as Malcolm Turnbull was, according to a new opinion poll. With Turnbull’s resignation about to trigger a byelection in the Sydney seat the former prime minister holds with a margin of 17.7%, the new ReachTel poll funded by the Australia Institute, with a sample size of 886 residents, suggests voters in Wentworth are focused on Morrison’s early steps on climate and energy. While single-seat polls can be unreliable, the new survey suggests Wentworth voters are in a mood to punish the Liberals after the leadership civil war deposed their popular sitting member, with Labor polling 20%, the Greens 15% and interest in independent candidates in double digits in a poll taken on Monday night.
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28th August 2018, 04:44 PM	#33
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Originally Posted by lionking Is Hillsong fundamentally different to the Catholic Church? Transubstantiation is surely as kooky as the OT crap Hillsong preaches. The Pentecostals, in their American incarnation, are the ones who handle snakes and drink poison. Australian pentecostals don't go quite that far, but they speak in tongues and prophecy and fall over when you pray for them.
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28th August 2018, 07:02 PM	#34
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,135	Originally Posted by arthwollipot The Pentecostals, in their American incarnation, are the ones who handle snakes and drink poison. Australian pentecostals don't go quite that far, but they speak in tongues and prophecy and fall over when you pray for them. That could be something of a disadvantage in a combat situation.
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28th August 2018, 08:44 PM	#35
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 8,466	Originally Posted by Dabop Remember Abbott's glee over the Labor 'who is the Prime Minister this week', saying how much more stable the libs would be????? Wonder how he feels about that claim now???? He doesn't give a rats. And he's just accepted the position of "Envoy for Indigenous Affairs". Whatever did our indigenous brothers and sisters do to deserve *that?!*
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28th August 2018, 09:13 PM	#36
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 69,607	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander He doesn't give a rats. And he's just accepted the position of "Envoy for Indigenous Affairs". Whatever did our indigenous brothers and sisters do to deserve *that?!* Yeah, that's not going to go well. The good news is that this government is on the ropes. Even Bill Shorten could beat them in an election now.
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