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Old 25th April 2020, 03:05 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by eerok View Post
Do you have to fall for every stupid thing you see on social media? Also the guy who runs the CDC is a Trump appointee.
How about this?

Dr. David Katz on Real Time with Bill Maher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-rMYLf2E

Dr Katz says the mortality rate is about .5% in NY. So we are shutting down for something that only kills about .5%.

We flattened the curve or are close to doing it. Flattening the curve still means that the same number or about the same number will get it and/or die from it. It just spreads it out over a longer period of time. We can't just wait on a cure/vaccine. We have to start getting back to normal.

People die everyday from horrible viruses. More than some realize. We just don't get it shoved in our face everyday by the media.
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Old 25th April 2020, 03:12 PM   #362
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recycled lie fails again

Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
Try post 357 for some reality from CDC
darn, you failed to read CDC guidance again, and have recycled your CDC death conspiracy theory already proved wrong by CDC guidance. Spread lies much?

You failed to comprehend the guidance, or lie on purpose?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

or both?
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Old 25th April 2020, 03:17 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
darn, you failed to read CDC guidance again, and have recycled your CDC death conspiracy theory already proved wrong by CDC guidance. Spread lies much?

You failed to comprehend the guidance, or lie on purpose?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

or both?
So because it's not published by the CDC, you think it's not possible that people are being told to presume it was Coronavirus? You think these health professionals are lying when they say what they were told?
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Old 25th April 2020, 03:36 PM   #364
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Originally Posted by mike81 View Post
How about this?

Dr. David Katz on Real Time with Bill Maher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-rMYLf2E

Dr Katz says the mortality rate is about .5% in NY. So we are shutting down for something that only kills about .5%.

We flattened the curve or are close to doing it. Flattening the curve still means that the same number or about the same number will get it and/or die from it. It just spreads it out over a longer period of time. We can't just wait on a cure/vaccine. We have to start getting back to normal.

People die everyday from horrible viruses. More than some realize. We just don't get it shoved in our face everyday by the media.
Wow, only 225,000 deaths if we have a virus exposure of 45,000,000 like the worse flu year. Run out and celebrate.

flu biggest year for death 61,000 - when estimated 45,000,000 infected...

And it is Dr. David Katz opinion. Got some facts? He was on fox news too, he was with Mark Levin on 'Life, Liberty & Levin, who has spread some conspiracy theories, and his analysis, seems like a parody sometimes.

Bill Maher is comedy, current events, political satire...

Hopefully this virus is less than .5% - what percent is flu? 0.136% (worse year) Do you know what it was in 2017? Do you know that number is an estimate based on an estimate of those infected and and estimate of those who died?

Where as the the 54,000 dead in the USA is not an estimate, and that is about one month - what is your point?
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Old 25th April 2020, 03:38 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by mike81 View Post
So because it's not published by the CDC, you think it's not possible that people are being told to presume it was Coronavirus? You think these health professionals are lying when they say what they were told?
Read the guidelines, and stop making up BS, it is so easy to read and comprehend, but I see it is easy to make up BS.

Stick with the easy stuff. Lies easy, truth hard - take it easy - don't read for comprehension, make up BS, quote-mine, and cherry-pick, the low road to woo.

Don't worry, the fearless leader has the disinfectant injection to fix all...

https://apnews.com/7f0a9a77dad8c8722aa54fef45e8667b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDPzbLFeP4
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Old 25th April 2020, 03:58 PM   #366
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post

Don't worry, the fearless leader has the disinfectant injection to fix all...

https://apnews.com/7f0a9a77dad8c8722aa54fef45e8667b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDPzbLFeP4
I agree. Trump is an absolute dumb ass.
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Old 25th April 2020, 04:03 PM   #367
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
Bill Maher is comedy, current events, political satire...
...and an antivaxer and germ theory denialist.
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Old 25th April 2020, 04:34 PM   #368
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I don't know and never claimed to know exactly. Just offered my opinion. Some of you are turning what I said into a much bigger deal than necessary. How dare me state my opinion in a nice, non-confrontational way. It's not the first time I've been treated like **** on this site. I'll go back to my hole now.
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Old 25th April 2020, 04:38 PM   #369
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This is new from the University of Chicago about the effects of COVID-19 related-misinformation :

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/..._WP_202044.pdf

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Examining the effects of misinformation is particularly important during a pandemic given the large externalities involved and the significant consequences of misinformed behavior for individuals’ health and for
the health care system as a whole. The two most widely-viewed cable news shows in the United States - Hannity and Tucker Carlson Tonight, both on Fox News – originally took very different stances on the risks associated with the novel coronavirus.

While Hannity downplayed the threat during the initial period of the
virus’ spread in the United States, Tucker Carlson Tonight warned its viewers that the virus posed a serious threat from early February. In this paper, we show that differential exposure to these two shows affected behavior and downstream health outcomes. We begin by validating differences in content with independent coding of shows’ transcripts. Consistent with the differences in content, we present new survey evidence that Hannity’s viewers changed behavior in response to the virus later than other Fox News viewers, while Carlson’s viewers changed behavior earlier.

Using both OLS regressions with a rich set of controls and an instrumental variable strategy exploiting variation in the timing of TV consumption, we then document that greater exposure to Hannity relative to Tucker Carlson Tonight increased the number of total cases and deaths in the initial stages of the coronavirus pandemic. Moreover, the effects on cases start declining in mid-March, consistent with the convergence in coronavirus coverage between the two shows. Finally, we also provide additional suggestive evidence that
misinformation is an important mechanism driving the effects in the data.

It is important to note that our results do not speak to the longer-term effects of exposure to the two shows, which might include additional health and information spillovers. Still, our findings indicate that provision of misinformation in the early stages of a pandemic can have important consequences for health outcomes.
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Old 25th April 2020, 05:57 PM   #370
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Here's a pretty interesting interview. I thought for a second to put it in the thread in the "science" subforum but knew it would end up in AAH or at least cause a whining orgy by the tru believers. Then I took a quiclk look at the man's wikipedia page and found - unsurprised - that it would have been much worse as the usual discrediting work has been done quite sufficiently, which would have caused the repeaters to FUME, I tell you.

Anyway, so i'll drop it here - Shiva Ayyadurai interviewed by the lovely and full bright Jasmin Kosubek, who happens to be the face of the German "Russia Today" (which is a website and a youtube channel, not a TV program). She's from half Brazilian and half "bio-German" descent and speaks no Russian as far as I know, but quite excellent English:

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I AGREE
Russia Today? Do they know he is a promoter of conspiracy theories and unfounded medical claims. He is was the "inventor of email", a discredited claim. (wow, how did the deep state figure this out)

At least when he brags, he goes big. Maybe he will get something right. The "Deep State" was funny, he tweets "deep state" BS. He has to be better than CIT. Did he fake his soybean paper, or what?

He is a perfect person to interview for Russia Today - the deep state stuff - this was funny
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Old 25th April 2020, 06:18 PM   #371
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Originally Posted by mike81 View Post
How about this?

Dr. David Katz on Real Time with Bill Maher


Dr Katz says the mortality rate is about .5% in NY. So we are shutting down for something that only kills about .5%.

We flattened the curve or are close to doing it. Flattening the curve still means that the same number or about the same number will get it and/or die from it. It just spreads it out over a longer period of time. We can't just wait on a cure/vaccine. We have to start getting back to normal.

People die everyday from horrible viruses. More than some realize. We just don't get it shoved in our face everyday by the media.
As of April 25th, the US has 960,000 cases and 54,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 5.6%. So what the hell are you talking about? NY has had 288,000 cases and 21,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 7.6%. So what the hell are you talking about?

Clearly you are wrong. Very, VERY wrong. The death rate is not 0.5%.

In my opinion, you should get VERY pissed off at whatever source you typically use for information, as it's making you look like a giant fool. It's embarrassing you.
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Old 25th April 2020, 06:39 PM   #372
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As of April 25th, the US has 960,000 cases and 54,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 5.6%. So what the hell are you talking about? NY has had 288,000 cases and 21,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 7.6%. So what the hell are you talking about?

Clearly you are wrong. Very, VERY wrong. The death rate is not 0.5%.

In my opinion, you should get VERY pissed off at whatever source you typically use for information, as it's making you look like a giant fool. It's embarrassing you.
If you would look at the information provided, you would know the answer. Hint the relevant info starts about 11 minutes in. Clearly many have their minds made up and cannot accept that there are more cases where someone gets it and recovers just fine than reported. Which means the mortality rates are lower than reported. If you or anyone else cannot accept that you could be wrong, then you are the one that looks foolish. At least listen to the new information before making up your mind. The fact is most of us have probably already had it and never even knew so.

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Old 25th April 2020, 06:44 PM   #373
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As of April 25th, the US has 960,000 cases and 54,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 5.6%. So what the hell are you talking about? NY has had 288,000 cases and 21,000 deaths. That is a death rate of 7.6%. So what the hell are you talking about?

Clearly you are wrong. Very, VERY wrong. The death rate is not 0.5%.

In my opinion, you should get VERY pissed off at whatever source you typically use for information, as it's making you look like a giant fool. It's embarrassing you.
Mike is wrong, but so are you. What you describe is CFR, case fatality rate, based on current confirmed cases and deaths. With outbreak developing this fast, it's basically useless number. It can't estimate how many more people will die.
What mike talks about are first estimates of IFR, infection fatality rate. That is based on all infected people, not just those we confirmed as infected. And yes, first studies on antibodies shows that up to 85 times more people might have undergone the disease, without being tested. Using this increased number of infected, with known number of dead, will give you these values between 0.1 and 0.5.
But there is still catch with that. Number of dead is also higher. In many cases, especially in heavily hit areas, only people who tested positive before dying are marked as COVID deaths. Of course, most people avoid detection because their infection had light or no symptoms. People who died are more likely to visit doctor and be tested. But there certainly is more. Some estimates from Italy go as high as 5 times more.
So to get correct IFR, you have to estimate real number of infected people, and real number of deaths, using best available methods and models.
Btw. New York state is already above 1000 deaths per million. That's 0.1% of ALL citizens. At least in NY, IFR will be higher. It's not over, and there might be more deaths we don't know about yet. I think the final IFR will be easily above 1%.
And all that with unprecedented social countermeasures.
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Another day over 2k in U.S.

We're on a plateau, not a down slope.

On the brink of opening up, perhaps it will turn out to be a ledge before the next ascent.
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Old 25th April 2020, 06:51 PM   #375
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Mike is wrong, but so are you. What you describe is CFR, case fatality rate, based on current confirmed cases and deaths. With outbreak developing this fast, it's basically useless number. It can't estimate how many more people will die.
What mike talks about are first estimates of IFR, infection fatality rate. That is based on all infected people, not just those we confirmed as infected. And yes, first studies on antibodies shows that up to 85 times more people might have undergone the disease, without being tested. Using this increased number of infected, with known number of dead, will give you these values between 0.1 and 0.5.
But there is still catch with that. Number of dead is also higher. In many cases, especially in heavily hit areas, only people who tested positive before dying are marked as COVID deaths. Of course, most people avoid detection because their infection had light or no symptoms. People who died are more likely to visit doctor and be tested. But there certainly is more. Some estimates from Italy go as high as 5 times more.
So to get correct IFR, you have to estimate real number of infected people, and real number of deaths, using best available methods and models.
Btw. New York state is already above 1000 deaths per million. That's 0.1% of ALL citizens. At least in NY, IFR will be higher. It's not over, and there might be more deaths we don't know about yet. I think the final IFR will be easily above 1%.
And all that with unprecedented social countermeasures.
Thanks for the info. I for one am open to new info. A lot here seem to not be.

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Old 25th April 2020, 07:14 PM   #376
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Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Obama gave money to the Wuhan lab

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dvXYFQ...ature=youtu.be
BIG LIE... little truth - PLUS, the reporter was a trump plant, like a fake news company pushing the trump lies and BS - the reporter is smiling too much, she is in on the BS, and trump knows it... It is his new Fox news, where he knows the questions, and has practiced the fake response. What was the reporters agency, and how did they fail to tell the real story?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fo...ces-2020-04-06 next time dig for facts and check the story.... Good luck

Why leave out the facts and evidence... why don't you do more than post BS, less than half the truth.

Approximately $700,000 of the $3.7 million total was approved under Donald Trump.

So where did the money go?
While a portion of the grants funded research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the lab did not receive all $3.7 million. Under award number NIAID R01AI110964, NIH also funded studies produced by institutions in the United States, Australia, and Singapore, and the work involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology was an international collaboration with the New York-based EcoHealth Alliance.

Darn, now what, what was your purpose - to inform, or mislead?

What is the purpose, the reason to post false and partial information?


Got more, what about trump?
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-game-changers
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Old 26th April 2020, 09:30 PM   #377
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Guys & Gals !

Do any of you have contacts in the MSM media ? (those dedicated people saying Trump said to inject Lysol for coronavirus)

Please! Someone has to tell the media about injectable disinfectant !

They didnt know ! Trump knew all along! He set a trap for them. They tripped over each other rushing into his trap.! They're in trouble!

Tell them. Hurry! They need our help now.

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"AYTU BioScience Signs Exclusive Global License with Cedars-Sinai for Potential Coronavirus Treatment". (injectable UV Light).
They are partnering with Cedars-Sinai.

“Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,”
- Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai."

If you didnt know, Cedars-Sinai in L.A. is a prestigious medical center. (the injectable disinfectant concept is not yet proven)

See items below regarding injectable disinfectant.

The first link is the 1:37 video on the Injectable Disinfectant, concept.

The second link is the Associated Press paid press release.

The image below contains the words 'injectable disinfectant' in the caption.

First link, the 1:37video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyVQIf2ly7s

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Second link, the paid press release:
https://apnews.com/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b

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Third, the image with 'injectable disinfectant' in the caption:
https://www.rightwirereport.com/2020...-more-details/


Comments are below image.
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It is not yet proven

. However now that we see the injectable disinfectant study, we can know what Trump was talking about.
Note how he mentioned disinfectant:

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"..suppose you brought the light inside the body through the skin or in some other way, and you're gonna test that too, and then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, and is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or, or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so you're gonna have to use use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, but the whole concept of light, the way it does it in one minute, thats pretty powerful."

If only someone would PLEASE tell the media about this research. Surely the media will quickly tell the nation about this, so we all can understand what Trump really was talking about. I think it is almost our duty to share this with others, at least until the media finds out about this research at top rated Cedars-Sinai and published on AP, since they then will quickly apologize and tell everyone that Trump was not talking about injecting Lysol.


Wow! What you guys think of this new information? Although yet unproven, this UV study explains what Trump was talking about. It would be awesome if Cedars-Sinai has success with their injectable disinfectant research. But not so awesome for the media's big source of ad revenue, Big Pharma. Not much money in it for them. But that woudnt influence the impartial honest media's coverage, right?

Oh...Follow the money.


This might be a good time to consider the "American Empire and its Media". For your convenience, originally by Swiss Propaganda Research:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQaR...ture=emb_title

This censorship has gotten out of control. YouTube have removed this video before.

These are researchers at a legitimate medical institute in California, Cedars-Sinai. They utilize a filtered wave of UV that is inserted into a medical tube. It's still undergoing review, but **** me, many are acting like this isn't from a legitimate research team. Here is an entire review that goes over the entirety of research on UVC. The researchers here use UVA, though, but UVC has been studied on mouse models and shows relatively little damage to certain animal cells.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831650/

Again, with viruses, you not only need to worry about the virus but also opportunistic pathogens. Typically, the comorbidity associated with virus infections are what kills patients.


https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...vid-19-deaths/

On top of that, the COVID-19 serological test has been confirmed by a peer-reviewed publication.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...6.2020.1754538

Secondly, the FDA seems to be taking their sweet time giving out EUA's.

**** me, a ******* medical team proves Trump right, and people ******* smear a legitimate research effort!
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Originally Posted by TheRealnz View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQaR...ture=emb_title



This censorship has gotten out of control. YouTube have removed this video before.



These are researchers at a legitimate medical institute in California, Cedars-Sinai. They utilize a filtered wave of UV that is inserted into a medical tube. It's still undergoing review, but **** me, many are acting like this isn't from a legitimate research team. Here is an entire review that goes over the entirety of research on UVC. The researchers here use UVA, though, but UVC has been studied on mouse models and shows relatively little damage to certain animal cells.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831650/



Again, with viruses, you not only need to worry about the virus but also opportunistic pathogens. Typically, the comorbidity associated with virus infections are what kills patients.





https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...vid-19-deaths/



On top of that, the COVID-19 serological test has been confirmed by a peer-reviewed publication.



https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...6.2020.1754538



Secondly, the FDA seems to be taking their sweet time giving out EUA's.



**** me, a ******* medical team proves Trump right, and people ******* smear a legitimate research effort!
Drop the media conspiracy angle or take it to CT forum, please.

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If you would look at the information provided, you would know the answer. Hint the relevant info starts about 11 minutes in.
Oh, I didn't realize that to find your source I only had to waste ELEVEN MINTUES of my life watching something pointless.

(In case you couldn't read between the lines, I said "figure out a way to get your point across in under 11 minutes")

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Yup. Like the people that think 54,000 is 0.5% of 960,000.

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and cannot accept that there are more cases where someone gets it and recovers just fine than reported
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Wait, what?!?! You mean that it's possible for someone to have covid19.....but NOT be tested?!?!?! No way!!! So how many people have had it but weren't tested? Like....5? <------this was sarcasm. Of course I already know this.

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Which means the mortality rates are lower than reported
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And there are a lot of people currently infected that will die in the upcoming weeks, which will make the mortality rate higher. And there are a lot of people who have died from covid but weren't reported as such. That will also make the mortality rate higher.

All we know is that of the people we have tested, 5.5% of them have died. NOT 0.5%.

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If you or anyone else cannot accept that you could be wrong, then you are the one that looks foolish.
Very true. And since I haven't said this, and you still think 54,000 is 0.5% of 960,000, again the only foolish one here is you.

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At least listen to the new information before making up your mind. The fact is most of us have probably already had it and never even knew so.
That's a FACT, huh? Remember what I said about you looking foolish? Since you struggle with math, I'll just tell you that "most" means more then 50%. So please link to your source that says over 50% of us have already had it.

Perhaps you should take your own advice about listening, huh?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQaR...ture=emb_title

This censorship has gotten out of control. YouTube have removed this video before.

These are researchers at a legitimate medical institute in California, Cedars-Sinai. They utilize a filtered wave of UV that is inserted into a medical tube. It's still undergoing review, but **** me, many are acting like this isn't from a legitimate research team. Here is an entire review that goes over the entirety of research on UVC. The researchers here use UVA, though, but UVC has been studied on mouse models and shows relatively little damage to certain animal cells.


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There's no supporting research. The concept on its face is bunk. That light would not reach much of any areas the virus would be residing.

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These are researchers at a legitimate medical institute in California, Cedars-Sinai. They utilize a filtered wave of UV that is inserted into a medical tube. It's still undergoing review, but **** me, many are acting like this isn't from a legitimate research team. Here is an entire review that goes over the entirety of research on UVC. The researchers here use UVA, though, but UVC has been studied on mouse models and shows relatively little damage to certain animal cells.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3831650/
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Clinical applications of these technologies include skin, dental, wound, stomach, nasal, toenail and other infections which are amenable to effective light delivery.
This is so not relevant.

There was a mention of using light in the stomach but it said h-pylori recolonized the stomach shortly after. IOW it was not a useful treatment of internal infections.


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https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/antibiotic-resistance-could-lead-to-more-covid-19-deaths/[/url]
Nothing new there.

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On top of that, the COVID-19 serological test has been confirmed by a peer-reviewed publication.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...6.2020.1754538

Secondly, the FDA seems to be taking their sweet time giving out EUA's.

**** me, a ******* medical team proves Trump right, and people ******* smear a legitimate research effort!
I'm sorry, but there's nothing to see here. There is absolutely nothing here that supports Trump's rambling about light to treat an internal infection.

Stuff like this belongs in the CT forum.
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Drop the media conspiracy angle or take it to CT forum, please.
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US soldier supposedly "identified" by CT'ists as one who brought COVID to Wuhan.

No, of course I'm not buying this one bit. I may not have been posting much in the past years, but I still hate stupidity, and too many CTs fall into that category.

Anyway, CNN story: US Army reservist is being blamed by conspiracy peddlers - including many Chinese ones - as being the one who brought COVID-19 to Wuhan.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/tech/...ory/index.html

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Maatje Benassi, a US Army reservist and mother of two, has become the target of conspiracy theorists who falsely place her at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic, saying she brought the disease to China.

The false claims are spreading across YouTube every day, so far racking up hundreds of thousands of apparent views, and have been embraced by Chinese Communist Party media. Despite never having tested positive for the coronavirus or experienced symptoms, Benassi and her husband are now subjects of discussion on Chinese social media about the outbreak, including among accounts that are known drivers of large-scale coordinated activities by their followers.

The claims have turned their lives upside down. The couple say their home address has been posted online and that, before they shut down their accounts, their social media inboxes were overrun with messages from believers of the conspiracy.
The epidemiology clearly shows this isn't some manufactured virus. Claiming otherwise is ignoring what's already known.

Also: This is yet another example of conspiracy fantasies actually doing real world harm. Truth is too often all too difficult to discern, especially in the midst of a crisis, but that never justified latching onto fantasy.

Enough soapboxing from me. I just thought I'd share this link.
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Oh, I didn't realize that to find your source I only had to waste ELEVEN MINTUES of my life watching something pointless.
You do know you don't have to watch for 11 minutes right? You can just scroll to the 11 minute mark or whatever time I said. Certainly you people with big you know what's can figure that out. I'm starting to think some of you are no where near as smart or clever as you think you are.

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I'm starting to think some of you are no where near as smart or clever as you think you are.
Watch out, we got a badass over here !
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...and an antivaxer and germ theory denialist.
So because Bill Mahar might believe some nonsense this means that his guest don't know what they are talking about? If so I guess that includes people like Penn Jillette, Neil Degrassi Tyson, Bill Nye, and many others.
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So because Bill Mahar might believe some nonsense this means that his guest don't know what they are talking about? If so I guess that includes people like Penn Jillette, Neil Degrassi Tyson, Bill Nye, and many others.
Those would be an illusionist, an astronomer, and an engineer. Not doctors.
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Those would be an illusionist, an astronomer, and an engineer. Not doctors.
No ****. My point was that just because Bill Mahar may believe some crazy stuff does not mean that his guest are nutty too. I thought that would be clear. Apparently not clear enough for you so called smart people.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. He is one of the morons that claimed there was a "patent on coronavirus" by the Pirbright Institute, which was actually something to do with chickens having avian flu. Right wing nutballs and nazis have parrotted this nonsense as well.

I also see on wikipedia that he also claims to have invented email when he was 14.

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COVID 19 “bombshells” from a doctor

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuC...ature=youtu.be
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COVID 19 “bombshells” from a doctor

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuC...ature=youtu.be

Oops looks like youtube took it down.
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Old 27th April 2020, 09:33 PM   #393
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I Googled Dr Pimentel and discovered his research has been on irritable bowel syndrome and bacteria; nothing until now on viruses. Further his website highlights all this research but doesn’t mention the covid19 experiments you quote. And of course even the claimed experiments, whatever they were, are not peer reviewed, published, or even described anywhere for the reader to understand how they were done and how the conclusions were reached. Strange.

I would hold off investing in the company and the concept if I were you.
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Oops looks like youtube took it down.
No, still there.

Stop jumping at shadows.

When they started tearing down Dr. Fauci because he "hasn't seen a patient in 20 years" I was done.

These guys have ~5000 tests (of unknown quality) and think they know the shape of the entire pandemic from that.

They run a private clinic. Given the restrictions and/or trepidation of the public, they are probably taking a financial hit.

They have a profit motive for taking the "open up" position.

It's amazing how some people can weave complex world-spanning narratives of malfeasance but the idea that someone might say things to make their wallet a little fatter just completely escapes them.

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COVID 19 “bombshells” from a doctor

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTHuC...ature=youtu.be
Not really a bombshell. It's been up for several days. Elon Musk even tweeted about it yesterday.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...0#post13069690

Even if you don't have at twitter account (I don't!) you can still click on the links to see the conversations.
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No, still there.

Stop jumping at shadows.

When they started tearing down Dr. Fauci because he "hasn't seen a patient in 20 years" I was done.

These guys have ~5000 tests (of unknown quality) and think they know the shape of the entire pandemic from that.

They run a private clinic. Given the restrictions and/or trepidation of the public, they are probably taking a financial hit.

They have a profit motive for taking the "open up" position.

It's amazing how some people can weave complex world-spanning narratives of malfeasance but the idea that someone might say things to make their wallet a little fatter just completely escapes them.


Johnnie is healthy as a horse and tested positive for covid after breakfast. He then gets run over by a bus after lunch. Johnnie is recorded as another covid death.


Erickson is not the only doctor saying they are being encourage to increase covid death numbers.

Another Dr said in her 30 yrs of writing death certificates, never until now has she been told to 'presume' death by covid.

Montana Physician Dr. Annie Bukacek Discusses How COVID-19 Death Certificates Are Being Manipulated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBw1ynpDANQ
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Johnnie is healthy as a horse and tested positive for covid after breakfast. He then gets run over by a bus after lunch. Johnnie is recorded as another covid death.

Johnnie's obviously non-Covid-related death, and subsequent labelling as Covid-related is accepted by the medical personnel, and Johnnie's friends and family.
Johnnie is for some mysterious reason not autopsied.
The doctors and other medical staff involved in this case completely ignore the guidelines they have been issued with, ignore their training and experience, deliberately lie, and cover this whole thing up because.....something to do with Trump.

Bubba, this is desperate posturing. You have no evidence this is actually happening.

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Erickson is not the only doctor saying they are being encourage to increase covid death numbers.

Another Dr said in her 30 yrs of writing death certificates, never until now has she been told to 'presume' death by covid.

Montana Physician Dr. Annie Bukacek Discusses How COVID-19 Death Certificates Are Being Manipulated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBw1ynpDANQ

Here is the actual CDC guidance document. I suggest you read it this time, so you stop spreading this rubbish.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
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Guys & Gals !

Do any of you have contacts in the MSM media ? (those dedicated people saying Trump said to inject Lysol for coronavirus)

Please! Someone has to tell the media about injectable disinfectant !

They didnt know ! Trump knew all along! He set a trap for them. They tripped over each other rushing into his trap.! They're in trouble!

Tell them. Hurry! They need our help now.

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Perhaps, in the light ( ) of Trump's further comments, you could clarify this somewhat?
When Trump said he was asking'very, very sarcastic questions', does that sarcasm mean he actually wasn't recommending this light treatment at all?
I know Americans generally struggle with sarcasm, but, as you seem to understand Trump's mind so well, it would help if you could shed some light on this.
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Bubba,

Interesting. The only link that the AYTU website cites as describing Dr Pimentel’s work on Coronavirus in more detail is blocked by my browser as a known malware distributor.

Also still silence from Dr Pimental’s end: nothing about Coronavirus on his websites or in a Google search.

BTW he appears to be a successful established researcher on irritable bowel syndrome and gut bacteria. I really wonder about the details of his relationship with AYTU: if he decided to quietly try a flier on Coronavirus (legitimate) and the company might be trying to exploit his very preliminary studies for obvious commercial gain. All IMHO of course.
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The American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) and the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical society and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.
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