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Old 7th February 2020, 07:04 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Well, if you're targeting an entire population, you would probably want to increase the contagiousness while delaying the onset of symptoms to reduce visibility and prevent the authorities from taking preventative action until as many people are infected as possible.

And that's the thing about "weaponization", you really need to ask who is doing the weaponization, and why they're doing it. A nation state with traditional military goals would want a weapon with very different properties as compared to an apocalyptic religious cult, or terrorist organization.

And you can see that in the development of nuclear weapons. Nation states have, for the most part, developed weapons and methods of use that maximize short term blast damage effects, while trying to minimize radiation and fallout effects, because they always figured that, after the bomb went off, they'd still have a job to do, and having huge swathes of ground completely irradiated made doing that job harder. It's the terrorists who are looking for "dirty bombs" that are intended to deny the use of an area for extended periods of time, because that creates maximum disruption for the least effort.
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Old 7th February 2020, 10:00 AM   #42
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Too many people playing Plague, Inc.
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Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC View Post
Too many people playing Plague, Inc.
Or "Pandemic"....
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post


Dr. Francis Boyle claims it was engineered:

https://greatgameindia.com/dr-franci...arfare-weapon/
Francis Boyle was on Alex Jones. It's now "confirmed" that this virus was engineered as a bioweapon. Boyle said the same thing about SARS and Ebola.
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Old 7th February 2020, 04:41 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Francis Boyle was on Alex Jones. It's now "confirmed" that this virus was engineered as a bioweapon. Boyle said the same thing about SARS and Ebola.
Shades of the Jude Law character in "Contagion" and how Captain Trips starts in Stephan King's "The Stand".
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Actually the coronavirus would be a lousy biological warfare weapon.
But then the people who scream biological weapon at every opportunity don't seem to understand what you want a biological weapon to do....
As others have said, it all depends on who is doing it for what reason. How is this idea?
The USA is afraid of China's growing economy. Wants it damaged. What better than a virus that targets smokers. As a result of this virus China is forced to close down its economy in order to stop its spread. Will not have a huge impact on many countries as the % of the population who smoke in the USA is a lot smaller than in China.

If this virus is a biological warfare then it is a brilliant weapon. Might need a few paid people to go around saying how horrible it is as a weapon.
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The Coronovirus was a biological weapon theory is spreading, well, like a virus, in India.
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Old 12th February 2020, 03:47 PM   #48
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Oh boy, Russia is getting in on the act:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

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During Wednesday evening’s edition of “Vremya” on Channel One, host Kirill Kleimenov recounted the theory that the highly contagious virus didn’t originate in a cave of Chinese bats, but was actually manufactured in an American laboratory on Trump’s orders, reported The Moscow Times.

“From the origin of the word, the origin of the virus becomes clearer. What is it called? Coronavirus. Take the word ‘crown.’ It is the basis of the name and comes first,” Kleimenov said.

“What did Donald Trump, the president of America, China’s main rival in the world arena, do in his previous life? That’s right, he handed out crowns at his famous beauty contest. So the origin of the coronavirus, and most importantly, the goals and objectives of its use become absolutely clear,” he continued, admitting that it was just a conspiracy theory.
source: https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-eur...g-it-on-china/

Russians are pushing this CT hard...because they're Russians and can't help it...
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Old 13th February 2020, 12:42 PM   #49
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Ya gotta give them props,

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“What did Donald Trump, the president of America, China’s main rival in the world arena, do in his previous life? That’s right, he handed out crowns at his famous beauty contest. So the origin of the coronavirus, and most importantly, the goals and objectives of its use become absolutely clear,”

That's some world-class dot joining they've got going, there.
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Old 14th February 2020, 12:42 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Ya gotta give them props,




That's some world-class dot joining they've got going, there.
I think Emre's was better:

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
3:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hd67htvYtI

"2020 is written separately in red and green. Red and green color blind people see yellow. And yellow color is the color of the disease in symbolism. For example, if there is an outbreak on a ship, a yellow flag is used."

He is saying these on 13.12.2019
Is there an app, you know, like wisdomofchopra, where you can access random images and factoids and construct your own conspiracy theory by linking them together?
If not, there ought to be.
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Old 15th February 2020, 08:14 AM   #51
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Just found out Qanon is peddling drinking what amounts to diluted Industrial Bleach as a cure for coronavirus...
Well, It will kill so before the virus can, so that's a win?
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And now Senator Tom Cotton (Ark) is getting in on the act:

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"This virus did not originate in the Wuhan animal market," Cotton said. "Epidemiologists who are widely respected from China who published a study … have demonstrated that several of the original cases did not have any contact with that food market. The virus went into that food market before it came out."

"We also know that just a few miles away from that food market is China’s only biosafety level 4 super laboratory that researches human infectious diseases. Now we don’t have evidence that this disease originated there, but because of China’s duplicity and dishonesty from the beginning we need to at least ask the question," Cotton continued.
Source (surprise, it's Fox News!): https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...eak-tom-cotton

I'm officially rooting for a extinction-level meteor strike from here on out.
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The Express is making a similar claim.

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Coronavirus bombshell: ‘REAL cause’ of outbreak claim - Chinese scientists break cover

CORONAVIRUS spread from a science laboratory in Wuhan and not a ‘wet market', a group of Chinese scientists have sensationally claimed.

They said scientists researching bat diseases could be responsible for the global outbreak, in a bombshell report published this week. Their report details how sick bats urinated, attacked and bled on researchers, who did their best to quarantine themselves. But the disease still spread through Wuhan, across China and throughout the world.
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And now Senator Tom Cotton (Ark) is getting in on the act:

Source (surprise, it's Fox News!): https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...eak-tom-cotton

I'm officially rooting for a extinction-level meteor strike from here on out.

"we don’t have evidence (...) but ..." says it all!
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Old 25th February 2020, 12:43 PM   #55
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Daily Mail reports that Rush Limbaugh says the virus was created in Chinese labs for the purpose of harming businesses and Trump. But he says it's really the same as the common cold.
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I see the cancer has spread to Limbaugh's brain......
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That is just it:Corona Virus would make a lousy biological weapon.
It may not be a completed weapon. It may be a test. What happens when we do this? OK, we get a new virus with unknown effects. Let us give it to certain people who are locked up. But when they do something goes wrong and a person who has the virus, maybe a guard or the person escapes or is released gets into the general population and as the result the virus starts spreading. Patient 0 only give to someone who works at the markets, who then gives it to heaps of other people. None of these people are diagnosed, at the time, and start spreading it. Then hospital workers start noticing it and are silenced. By the time they cannot be ignored it is too late. You know the rest


I am not going to say the above is anything close to being correct. All I am saying is that something like this is realistic and no one can really say it is impossible.
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Daily Mail reports that Rush Limbaugh says the virus was created in Chinese labs for the purpose of harming businesses and Trump. But he says it's really the same as the common cold.

I set fire to my own house in hopes that the fire would spread to my neighbor's house and burn it down!
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It may not be a completed weapon. It may be a test. What happens when we do this? OK, we get a new virus with unknown effects. Let us give it to certain people who are locked up. But when they do something goes wrong and a person who has the virus, maybe a guard or the person escapes or is released gets into the general population and as the result the virus starts spreading. Patient 0 only give to someone who works at the markets, who then gives it to heaps of other people. None of these people are diagnosed, at the time, and start spreading it. Then hospital workers start noticing it and are silenced. By the time they cannot be ignored it is too late. You know the rest

And this highlights why "bioweapons" are mostly a BS scare tactic. Even with access to the best equipment, it's still really hard to control. The virus "has its own agenda", which isn't compatible with most military agendas. The army doesn't want a gun that shoots the wrong people, or refuses to shoot the right people for some unknown reason, or keeps shooting after they've won the battle.
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I think HYDRA is behind it. After all, there basic objective is to produce chaos.
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And this highlights why "bioweapons" are mostly a BS scare tactic. Even with access to the best equipment, it's still really hard to control. The virus "has its own agenda", which isn't compatible with most military agendas. The army doesn't want a gun that shoots the wrong people, or refuses to shoot the right people for some unknown reason, or keeps shooting after they've won the battle.
I also remember something George Orwell said:That people are influenced by fiction in novels and movies much more then they realise or would admit.
That most novels and movies dealing with pandemics use "It escaped from a bioweapon research lab" as the origin of the disease has a lot to do with the popularity of this theory.
I give you Stephan King's very popular novel 'The Stand" as an example. I don't thing King was promoting a conspiracy theory, but saw it as a quick and easy way to explain a massively destructive killer virus.
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I see the cancer has spread to Limbaugh's brain......
You're really not being fair to what is probably a perfectly innocent cancer.
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I also remember something George Orwell said:That people are influenced by fiction in novels and movies much more then they realise or would admit.
That most novels and movies dealing with pandemics use "It escaped from a bioweapon research lab" as the origin of the disease has a lot to do with the popularity of this theory.
I give you Stephan King's very popular novel 'The Stand" as an example. I don't thing King was promoting a conspiracy theory, but saw it as a quick and easy way to explain a massively destructive killer virus.
I think if a fiction writer wants to use a killer virus then they should use smallpox. Or the black death. The one that killed a significant % of the world's population.
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It's all a Deep State Plot:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...spiracy-117781

And, of course the Rosensteins are You Know Whos......
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And, of course the Rosensteins are You Know Whos......
So are Bernie and Bloomberg, which won't go unnoticed in certain quarters.
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So are Bernie and Bloomberg, which won't go unnoticed in certain quarters.
Oh, if Bernie gets the nomination, the GOP will go there, I am sure..though thru third parties.
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Back in the Middle ages, Jews were accused of causing the Black Death...some thing never change.
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Actually the coronavirus would be a lousy biological warfare weapon.
But then the people who scream biological weapon at every opportunity don't seem to understand what you want a biological weapon to do....
As near as I can figure it, the theory is that the Chinese developed it as a bioweapon, and cleverly deployed it against their own population to divert suspicion.
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I see the cancer has spread to Limbaugh's brain......
Impossible. That would require that he has a brain
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And this highlights why "bioweapons" are mostly a BS scare tactic. Even with access to the best equipment, it's still really hard to control. The virus "has its own agenda", which isn't compatible with most military agendas. The army doesn't want a gun that shoots the wrong people, or refuses to shoot the right people for some unknown reason, or keeps shooting after they've won the battle.
Biological warfare could be devastatingly effective, if your enemy was of a different species and you had an organism that would attack them and not your own species. If your enemy is of your species, it gets a hell of a lot trickier.
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Biological warfare could be devastatingly effective, if your enemy was of a different species and you had an organism that would attack them and not your own species. If your enemy is of your species, it gets a hell of a lot trickier.
Irony is China is , I think, the only country in modern times where we have definent proof was a target of biological warfare......back in World War 2.
Read about Unit 731 sometime...

If fact I think there probably are a few crackpot theories involving Unit 731 and the Corona virus that are flotating around somewhere.
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The Coronavirus is obvious a nefarious plot to replace RBG at the minor cost of 1% of the world population.
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I think the new coronavirus outbreak is an excellent opportunity to breakdown the development of conspiracy theories.

"coronavirus" being a generic term for a particular family of viruses is lost on the ignorant public. We've had high profile coronavirus outbreaks before in recent memory; SARS in the early 2000s and MERS in 2012. Word spread through the internet as "Coronavirus", people point out that this bleach product says it kills "human coronavirus", which isn't labelled very well in the first place and it isn't profound at all of course coronaviruses can cause illnesses other than this current epidemic. A lesson in category error at the very least.
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I think the new coronavirus outbreak is an excellent opportunity to breakdown the development of conspiracy theories.

"coronavirus" being a generic term for a particular family of viruses is lost on the ignorant public. We've had high profile coronavirus outbreaks before in recent memory; SARS in the early 2000s and MERS in 2012. Word spread through the internet as "Coronavirus", people point out that this bleach product says it kills "human coronavirus", which isn't labelled very well in the first place and it isn't profound at all of course coronaviruses can cause illnesses other than this current epidemic. A lesson in category error at the very least.

The EPA's efficacy test data requirements for disinfectants allow claims against the Coronaviridae family if the product shows efficacy against the most resistant representative virus of the family. It's the same with other enveloped viruses as well.
Making specific claims against the current virus requires approval under the EPA's Emerging Viral Pathogens policy, which has stricter requirements.
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Old 2nd March 2020, 07:18 AM   #76
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The Coronovirus was a biological weapon theory is spreading, well, like a virus, in India.
Which version is more popular that it was China or the US create it? I recently heard a version in which it was an accidental release by China because the scientist at biological research lab were know to sell the animals used for testing at the local market. Certainly falls into several tropes about China at the moment. The unscrupulous government combined with desperate underpaid workers and a willingness to eat anything.

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Back in the Middle ages, Jews were accused of causing the Black Death...some thing never change.
I recently heard a podcast discuss this. The mentioned a port where there were pretty clear records that it came in on a few specific ships but they still blamed the Jews.
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Old 2nd March 2020, 12:40 PM   #77
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Um, it's "coronavirus".
More like Corona Virus!

I had that once. Worst hangover ever.
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Old 2nd March 2020, 03:24 PM   #78
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I got this one from a friend of mine today:
COVID-19 Coronavirus: A Fake Pandemic? Who’s Behind It? Global Economic, Social and Geopolitical Destabilization (GlobalResearch.ca, Feb. 1, 2020)

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It seems to be in line with the conspiracy theory mentioned in post 26, and the beginning of the article sounds much like Trump the other night: playing down the number of cases outside of China when it's only just begun.

Notice this:
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On October 18, 2019, the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, Baltimore undertook a carefully designed simulation of a coronavirus epidemic entitled nCoV-2019.

In the Event 201 Simulation of a Coronavirus Pandemic, a 15% collapse of financial markets had been “simulated”. It was not “predicted” according to the organizers and sponsors of the event, which included the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation as well the World Economic Forum.

There's a link to an alleged screenshot, but nothing makes it seem to be an actual screenshot of anything related to John Hopkins.
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“It’s not a question of if but rather a question of when and how many people in this country will have severe illness," Messonnier told reporters, warning if the virus spreads widely, drastic methods might be required to contain it, such as closing schools and requiring employees to work from home.
“The disruption to everyday life might be severe," she warned.
But some right-wing media figures aligned with President Donald Trump — including popular radio host and Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient Rush Limbaugh — want listeners and readers to ignore Messonnier’s extensive background and knowledge of infectious diseases in favor of a baseless conspiracy theory that she is secretly working to harm Trump and his administration.
Their evidence? Her brother happens to be Rod Rosenstein, Trump’s former deputy attorney general who was responsible for appointing Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election.
Rush Limbaugh and others push false conspiracy theory about top CDC official with Philly ties as coronavirus fears spread (Philiadelpia Enquirer, Feb. 27, 2020)

Just a couple of days later, the whole thing looks very different, doesn't it?
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Old 2nd March 2020, 04:36 PM   #80
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They designated the MERS coronavirus "2012-nCoV" after the first few cases, so it appears to be standard nomenclature.
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