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Old 15th November 2018, 12:55 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I love all the leftists lining up today to say how much they don't care about Avenatti.
Lets see...

May 29, 2018:
If his moral character and his abilities are to be in question, then let us be relieved he is not the president of the United States - PortlandAthiest
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May 30, 2018:
He seems to be an effective lawyer and there are reasons to think that he's not above bending the rules. - TellyKNeasuss
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June 18, 2018:
(Is he a good advocate and is he corrupt?) It seems not unlikely that the answer is yes to both. - Pondering Turtle
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July 3, 1018:
He is an attention whore who got the reputable new media talking about golden showers and the sitting president in the same sentence. Paul Revere was an idiot and Jefferson owned slaves. For all his faults, Avenatti damaged Trump and that's never a bad thing. You don't have to be perfect to be a patriot. - Craig4
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And that's just in the first 2 pages of this thread.

So, its seems like those on "the left" (or at least those that opposed Trump, which could be people on the right who aren't racist) have recognized for a long time (months) that Avanatti is a person who is problematic in many ways, but we recognize him as valuable not because we like him as a person but because he causes stress to Stubby McBonespurs.

Its not just 'today'.
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:19 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Lets see...

<snip>

Its not just 'today'.
And I think I once took the position that Avenatti was a better lawyer than Cohen, but come on, no one could have really thought that was a compliment, right?

BTW, how many times has Nugent been seen at prominent GOP functions after he threatened to kill the POTUS?
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:20 PM   #444
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Yet others in this thread have made perfectly reasonable additions to the dialog... suggesting a 'wait and see' attitude
A few hours later calls someone who was never charged arrested or charged with a crime (unlike his hero Mike thirsty Aveenatti)"Drunky McRapeface"

fantastic
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:23 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
And I think I once took the position that Avenatti was a better lawyer than Cohen, but come on, no one could have really thought that was a compliment, right?

BTW, how many times has Nugent been seen at prominent GOP functions after he threatened to kill the POTUS?
We have reached the part in the thread where whatabout Ted Nugent is being employed to defend ******* Mike Avenatti.
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:26 PM   #446
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Avenatti has been Ave-naughty!
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:35 PM   #447
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
We have reached the part in the thread where whatabout Ted Nugent is being employed to defend ******* Mike Avenatti.
The leftists don’t care or are lining up to defend ******* Mike Avenatti? Which is it?

To help you with some perspective, non-Trump supporters do not blindly follow amoral leaders and defend their wrongdoings to absurd levels.
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:51 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by Iamafalser View Post
The situation IS different:

We know the when and where it allegedly happened.
It happened Tuesday, not 25 years ago.
And look at how long ago all those lies about the catholic priests happened in pensilvania. Only 3 of the 1000 "child victims" were under the age of 50. Clearly it was a politically motivated attack on the church.
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Old 15th November 2018, 01:52 PM   #449
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Was about to note this as well - the tweet is right here. So, although it's being reported as "Avenatti claims Jacob Wohl is behind arrest", it's really "Jacob Wohl claims he is behind arrest".

Now, this isn't proof that the charge is false, and it doesn't mean I see a reason to care politically - Dolt 45 plainly used campaign funds to pay off mistresses regardless, and anyone who voted this guy for president (is that foolishness still being bandied about) has something wrong with them - but I'm skeptical.
I will cite the Hastert rule, that is only a crime when it is used to cover up child rape.
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The tweet is gone. Fake charges withdrawn?
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
The leftists don’t care or are lining up to defend ******* Mike Avenatti? Which is it?

To help you with some perspective, non-Trump supporters do not blindly follow amoral leaders and defend their wrongdoings to absurd levels.
Analogies are difficult.

Ted Nugent:GOP::Avenatti:Liberals

One could view that as a statement on how little Dems care about Avenatti, or one could see it as whataboutism. One could also claim that all the dems are defending Avenatti when they point out that he is nothing but entertainment and of no consequence.

I smile every time I see Stormy and Avenatti on the news because I know that every historical reference to Trump will have a footnote with their photos. Trivia games will have questions like: The president best known for paying off a porn star and her despicably thirsty attorney?
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The leftists don’t care or are lining up to defend ******* Mike Avenatti? Which is it?
when did I say the leftists didn't care?
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Old 15th November 2018, 02:13 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Analogies are difficult.
Especially grossly fallacious ones like you are using to avoid the subject.

What I have seen is that fallacies, and especially whataboutism/tu quoque/ad hominems are so easy for the left that they can't actually make real arguments.

For example, it is like leftists are so used to the thin watery gruel that is whataboutism that they are unable even to handle the thick juicy steak that is meat of my argument.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a proper analogy.
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Old 15th November 2018, 02:26 PM   #455
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Michael Avenatti got arrested, or MAGA for short.

MAGA
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Old 15th November 2018, 02:41 PM   #456
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Originally Posted by Iamafalser View Post
The situation IS different:

We know the when and where it allegedly happened.
It happened Tuesday, not 25 years ago.
It was reported to the police and the LAPD found probable cause to arrest the suspect for felony domestic violence.

I'd say that's just a tad more credible than Ford's allegation, wouldn't you?
This is about ALL we know about the alleged abuse by Avenatti. And no, I wouldn't say it's "just a tad more credible than Ford's allegation" since we know absolutely nothing about the details of the allegation. We don't even know who made the allegation or what her credibility is unlike the Kavanaugh case. We also know that both of Avenatti's ex-wives say he was never violent against them. No one else has come forward to make that claim or to even claim they know of him ever being violent. One huge difference is that Kavanaugh fought any investigation whereas Avenatti is calling for a complete investigation.

The police have no choice in arresting someone when an allegation of DV is levied and the victim shows any kind of injury...even so much as a scratch.

I'll wait to make a judgment on this until the investigation is complete.
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Someone from the other tribe apparently got caught out doing something reprehensible cue schadenfreud and outrage. Meanwhile ignore or defend the indefensible of Trump and his not so merry band of sycophants.
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Oh, I get it. "who you've beaten." Well, then.
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Someone from the other tribe apparently got caught out doing something reprehensible cue schadenfreud and outrage. Meanwhile ignore or defend the indefensible of Avenatti and his not so merry band of sycophants.
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wjo is supporting Avenatti in this thread? People are saying that they are withholding judgement until the investigation has concluded.
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I can with all honesty state, for the record even, that I, Gregthehammer, will never hire Michael Avenatti as my lawyer, nor will I ever vote for him for any political office, due to his despicable behavior.
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Someone from the other tribe apparently got caught out doing something reprehensible cue schadenfreud and outrage. Meanwhile ignore or defend the indefensible of Trump and his not so merry band of sycophants.
He's not even caught out yet as guilty, or innocent. All there is is an arrest and no other information. There is no victim identified yet. And yet it seems folks are out to get as much mileage as possible on this guy.

I remain... skeptical. I'm not trying to defend him, because I don't have anything solid to defend him against.
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when did I say the leftists didn't care?
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I love all the leftists lining up today to say how much they don't care about Avenatti.
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Hope this helps
Cheers but the dog should be the one jumping not holding the hoop.
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He's not even caught out yet as guilty, or innocent. All there is is an arrest and no other information. There is no victim identified yet. And yet it seems folks are out to get as much mileage as possible on this guy.

I remain... skeptical. I'm not trying to defend him, because I don't have anything solid to defend him against.
^^^^^^ That.
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I can with all honesty state, for the record even, that I, Gregthehammer, will never hire Michael Avenatti as my lawyer, nor will I ever vote for him for any political office, due to his despicable behavior.
Would you care to clarify exactly what the "despicable behavior" is?
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Oh I see your confusion!

I didn't say they don't care, what I said was that they were lining up today to say how much they don't care. Ya see the difference?

basically rats off the sinking USS Avenatti, to use an actual analogy.

Hope this helps.
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Oh I see your confusion!

I didn't say they don't care, what I said was that they were lining up today to say how much they don't care. Ya see the difference?
Ah, thanks. Well in that case,

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The leftists don’t care or are lining up to defend ******* Mike Avenatti? Which is it?
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Oh I see your confusion!

I didn't say they don't care, what I said was that they were lining up today to say how much they don't care. Ya see the difference?

basically rats off the sinking USS Avenatti, to use an actual analogy.

Hope this helps.
It is hard to delve into the minds of others and gain perspective into their motivations but let me try. Are you possibly projecting here? Just extrapolation from the way Trump and followers feel the need to defend every molehill in this hyperpartisan political war.
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Ah, thanks. Well in that case,
Ah, thanks. Well in that case,

false dichotomy
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It is hard to gain perspective into the motivations of others but let me try. Are you possibly projecting here? Just extrapolation from the way Trump and followers feel the need to defend every molehill in this hyperpartisan political war.
Looks at thread title...

It is hard to gain perspective into the motivations of others but let me try. Are you possibly projecting here? Just extrapolation from the way Avenatti and followers feel the need to defend every molehill in this hyperpartisan political war?
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wjo is supporting Avenatti in this thread? People are saying that they are withholding judgement until the investigation has concluded.
Except those of us who think he is a useful foil to Trump and should not really be taken seriously. His fate is not important to me at all. If justice is hard on him my only concern is for due process. He is a bloviating jerk who will forever be a footnote to the Trump presidency. Huzzah!
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Ah, thanks. Well in that case,

false dichotomy
Exactly! Now, follow to its logical conclusion...
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Looks at thread title...

It is hard to gain perspective into the motivations of others but let me try. Are you possibly projecting here? Just extrapolation from the way Avenatti and followers feel the need to defend every molehill in this hyperpartisan political war?
The libruls don’t care. Watch him cut adrift like Weinstein if there is anything in this. Look at the criticism Pelosi is weathering. Libruls are the unherdable cats. Meanwhile the absurd digging in to support all things Trump is plain for all to see.
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Exactly! Now, follow to its logical conclusion...
That dog won't hunt, son.
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That dog won't hunt, son.
Optimism is one of my weaknesses, I have to concede.
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The libruls don’t care. Watch him cut adrift like Weinstein if there is anything in this. Look at the criticism Pelosi is weathering. Libruls are the unherdable cats. Meanwhile the absurd digging in to support all things Trump is plain for all to see.
It really is that simple. There's something to be said for the fact that when liberals screw up, they cannot depend on their fellow liberals to keep defending and supporting them just because they're liberal.
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This can't be happening! Avenatti was going to be the next POTUS!!
The bar is low these days
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Would you care to clarify exactly what the "despicable behavior" is?
Why, certainly! He exists, breathing the same air as I, walking this very planet! He is, a monster, or Dare I say, LAWYER!!!!!



Actually, I really could give 2 ***** about avenatti one way or the other. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he first came on the scene with Stormy D, but as time went by, I am starting to find myself in agreement with BigDog that maybe the guy is thirsty for attention.
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