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Old 20th November 2018, 06:15 PM   #561
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Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed. If you're going after a gutter rat like Trump, you need a patriotic gutter rat to go for his throat. That was Avenatti. Jefferson owned slaves. Patriots often turn up when they are least expected and most needed.
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Old 20th November 2018, 06:18 PM   #562
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Absolutely with you. Avenatti is surprisingly the only source and an extremely vague one. Either way it’s a dumpster fire.
Avenatti is a loyal, patriotic dumpster fire, dedicated to damaging Trump. When the nation is in peril, you go with the allies you have, not the allies you'd like.
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Old 20th November 2018, 06:30 PM   #563
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed. If you're going after a gutter rat like Trump, you need a patriotic gutter rat to go for his throat. That was Avenatti. Jefferson owned slaves. Patriots often turn up when they are least expected and most needed.
Almost every civilization in history practiced slavery. Even the Jews. Even Africans. The idea that slavery is morally wrong is a relatively new concept.
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Old 20th November 2018, 06:43 PM   #564
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed. If you're going after a gutter rat like Trump, you need a patriotic gutter rat to go for his throat. That was Avenatti. Jefferson owned slaves. Patriots often turn up when they are least expected and most needed.
I'm a little reluctant to totally throw Avenatti under the bus as I know that everyone was looking to take him down. That said, it was hard to consider him seriously. One moment the guy is representing a porn star and the next he is giving speeches in Iowa hinting at making a run for the Presidency? I thought he might take his publicity and possibly get a media gig. But he overshot. And this latest event seems enough to undo all the self promotion. Hard to see how he overcomes this.
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Avenatti is a loyal, patriotic dumpster fire, dedicated to damaging Trump. When the nation is in peril, you go with the allies you have, not the allies you'd like.
Change damaging to protecting and you have a reTrumplican rallying call.
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Old 20th November 2018, 06:51 PM   #566
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I'm a little reluctant to totally throw Avenatti under the bus as I know that everyone was looking to take him down. That said, it was hard to consider him seriously. One moment the guy is representing a porn star and the next he is giving speeches in Iowa hinting at making a run for the Presidency? I thought he might take his publicity and possibly get a media gig. But he overshot. And this latest event seems enough to undo all the self promotion. Hard to see how he overcomes this.
He can not only overcome this, but it could well benefit him, if it's proved he was set up with a false allegation. Time will tell. I'm still waiting for the investigation to be concluded before I have an opinion on his guilt.
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Old 20th November 2018, 06:54 PM   #567
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False allegation set up?

She lived with him for several months!

It was yet another of his grifter tactics, the set up lie is ******* appalling.
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Old 20th November 2018, 07:10 PM   #568
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Avenatti is a POS media-whore, and I long ago said we should ignore him and the Stormy Daniels nonsense. Unfortunately, Avenatti decided to screw up the Kavanaugh hearings with a client claiming "gang rapes." Even if the accusations against him are untrue, he should **** off.
Agreed, although I don't think the Kavanaugh hearings would have come out any differently themselves the lasting reaction to them would be different.


Also, Avenatti's claim that because she posted a happy picture to instagram the day after proves she's lying is just moronic reasoning. The bruising was on her arm, even if it was on her face she could have covered it up with make-up, even if she didn't the picture doesn't have to be take the same day it is posted, and posting a 'happy' picture could be motivated by a desire to show resilience and assuage the fears of people who care about her.
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Old 20th November 2018, 07:21 PM   #569
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
He can not only overcome this, but it could well benefit him, if it's proved he was set up with a false allegation. Time will tell. I'm still waiting for the investigation to be concluded before I have an opinion on his guilt.
I agree, but it's hard to justify a real Presidential run. I mean think about it Stacy. He's never held political office. And while was successful as a thorn in Trump's side, he has not demonstrated being much else. I see him simply as a good tv lawyer. The kind of attorney who can deal with the media. But I have yet to hear anything from this guy other than he knows how to fight on TV. I'll take him tearing into Trump, but I want more than that out of the next POTUS.
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Avenatti has been (and may continue to be) a sideshow attraction. I've been saying for a long time that going the Trump route but Democrat style would be a huge mistake. No one knows what he stands for other than "the guy who's been giving Trump fits and MAY HAVE helped bring down Mikey the Fixer. I take the Dem invitation to Iowa to be more and indication of the mood in the Democratic Party... Here's someone who at least calls Trump names right back in his face.

It would be hoped that "going high" is not a lost cause. You need some shock troops out there (James Carville, anyone?) but you do not need an attention whore bull in a china shop running for President on your party ticket. It's what the Republicans did and it got us where we are today. The idea would be to repair it, not emulate it and make it worse.
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Old 20th November 2018, 08:19 PM   #571
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Avenatti was the sleaze this country needed.
Literally the only thing of importance he has done is be Stormy Daniels' attorney, and anyone could have done that.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Avenatti has been (and may continue to be) a sideshow attraction. I've been saying for a long time that going the Trump route but Democrat style would be a huge mistake. No one knows what he stands for other than "the guy who's been giving Trump fits and MAY HAVE helped bring down Mikey the Fixer. I take the Dem invitation to Iowa to be more and indication of the mood in the Democratic Party... Here's someone who at least calls Trump names right back in his face.

It would be hoped that "going high" is not a lost cause. You need some shock troops out there (James Carville, anyone?) but you do not need an attention whore bull in a china shop running for President on your party ticket. It's what the Republicans did and it got us where we are today. The idea would be to repair it, not emulate it and make it worse.
Right now, I'm hoping Beto runs. The party needs some youth not a Septuagenarian.

And Avenatti delivers that. I don't mind that he can get down in the mud. But he has to also prove to be aspirational and that he hasn't done to any where close to my satisfaction. Avenatti knows how to punch back but if that is the only note he can play, forget it.

I'm also not that enthused of the person who decides on public service and the first position he seeks is the Presidency.
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Old 20th November 2018, 08:46 PM   #573
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It looks as if the accused is correct about everything outside the apartment and the accuser's story fits with what we know for inside the apartment. If that is the case then as far as guilt goes there is the question of how forceful and frightening the pillow striking, dragging and shouting were. But so far the accused seems to be denying the accusers account of what happened inside the apartment. The denial and whether there is proof either way is the key.
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Woops - maybe wrong. I see the accusers account (according ro an accoubt i've juar read) does include some abuse type activity outside the apartment. It seems that part can be proved to be true or false.
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:13 PM   #575
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False allegation set up?

She lived with him for several months!

It was yet another of his grifter tactics, the set up lie is ******* appalling.
Avenatti is irrelevant, and you know it.

Keep posting that faux outrage though, it's still hilarious.
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False allegation set up?

She lived with him for several months!

It was yet another of his grifter tactics, the set up lie is ******* appalling.
Grifter tactics like the Trumps. Grandstanding and telling lies.
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I agree, but it's hard to justify a real Presidential run. I mean think about it Stacy. He's never held political office. And while was successful as a thorn in Trump's side, he has not demonstrated being much else. I see him simply as a good tv lawyer. The kind of attorney who can deal with the media. But I have yet to hear anything from this guy other than he knows how to fight on TV. I'll take him tearing into Trump, but I want more than that out of the next POTUS.
I agree 100%. I would not favor him for POTUS. One inexperienced blowhard is enough.
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Right now, I'm hoping Beto runs. The party needs some youth not a Septuagenarian.

And Avenatti delivers that. I don't mind that he can get down in the mud. But he has to also prove to be aspirational and that he hasn't done to any where close to my satisfaction. Avenatti knows how to punch back but if that is the only note he can play, forget it.

I'm also not that enthused of the person who decides on public service and the first position he seeks is the Presidency.
I absolutely agree on the need for new blood in the national elections. We're arguing the credentials of people who will be septuagenarians if elected.

The issue within the party for the last several years is that the old guard (and we do mean "old") had all the photo ops and plum postings and the young 'uns weren't getting the air time. I mean, it's not like a conspiracy.... if you're booking talking heads and can get Clinton or Pelosi or Warren or Biden... people who've written policy and held some of the highest positions in the country, you're going to book them. The freshman class congressman from New Mexico gets coverage when his race(not color... electoral race) or his bill is in the news. All the free plugs on the talk show circuit go to the money players and there were just too damned many of them in the senior ranks.

That's why governorships are such a launching pad. Congress critters have too many years of dues to pay, but on a state level you can go from State Senator to State AG or Comptroller in a shorter period... Most governors come from those ranks, and as a result look a lot fresher than wheeling out the senior citizens in the leadership of the Dem caucus.

There will be star names out of the class of '18. Too many people, though, are still following the lead the media likes.... Oprah, Tom Cruise, Bloomberg, Will Smith, Avenatti. They want a marketable name.
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Literally the only thing of importance he has done is be Stormy Daniels' attorney, and anyone could have done that.
But anyone didn't. He did.
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Change damaging to protecting and you have a reTrumplican rallying call.
When they go low, go lower.
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When they go low, go lower.
Agreed.
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When they go low, go lower.
If that becomes a Democrat approach then America really will be ******.
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If that becomes a Democrat approach then America really will be ******.
America is already ******.
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America is already ******.
It is not yet. Fortunately you do have people who remember what values made America great. They are not going to roll around in the muck with the likes of Avenatti.
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It is not yet. Fortunately you do have people who remember what values made America great. They are not going to roll around in the muck with the likes of Avenatti.
Imagine if Trumpolini runs for a second term in 2020 and loses.

Think about it.
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Imagine if Trumpolini runs for a second term in 2020 and loses.

Think about it.
So its all good if you have a Democrat scumbag in power because he is your scumbag and you get your judges. Get behind Avenatti then.
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So its all good if you have a Democrat scumbag in power because he is your scumbag and you get your judges. Get behind Avenatti then.
Uh, that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Every post I've made in this thread has been saying Avenatti is irrelevant. If the guy was on fire, I'd have to think at least twice before pissing on him.
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
If that becomes a Democrat approach then America really will be ******.
Your mistake is thinking we're on the precipice of an abyss at risk of going over. We're not on the edge; we did a spinning cannonball over it and are already there.
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So its all good if you have a Democrat scumbag in power because he is your scumbag and you get your judges. Get behind Avenatti then.
I am behind Avenatti, just not for president. I want him to keep being a lowlife gutter rat, going after our president who is also a lowlife gutter rat.
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It is not yet. Fortunately you do have people who remember what values made America great. They are not going to roll around in the muck with the likes of Avenatti.
Getting a president who believes in American values in office will require doing things inconsistent with those values.
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Her story seems credible. The fact that there is allegedly footage, that security guards were allegedly involved, and that the police are now involved means that we should learn the truth of this one with a high degree of certainty in a reasonably short amount of time.

I definitely advocate for exactly the same thing I advocated for with Kavanaugh - a full and fair investigation.
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But anyone didn't. He did.
He's the guy she happened to hire. It's not like she was having a tough time finding representation and he bravely stepped up to take a stand.
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Getting a president who believes in American values in office will require doing things inconsistent with those values.
Exactly. Avenatti is on a hill drawing the enemies fire and encouraging the enemy "to die on that hill". We need to keep supplying Avenatti until he is overrun. Then we'll concentrate on "Warren Hill" or '''Hill' Hill". We just need to bog them down and let them get stuck in the mud. So many hills ...
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He's the guy she happened to hire. It's not like she was having a tough time finding representation and he bravely stepped up to take a stand.
How do you know how many other lawyers she spoke to who didn't take the case? I'm not saying she did or didn't as I have no idea how difficult it was for her to find legal representation. My question is: do you?
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How do you know how many other lawyers she spoke to who didn't take the case? I'm not saying she did or didn't as I have no idea how difficult it was for her to find legal representation. My question is: do you?
There's no evidence she asked or was rejected by anyone else; which is sufficient until reason to believe otherwise emerges.
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I am behind Avenatti, just not for president. I want him to keep being a lowlife gutter rat, going after our president who is also a lowlife gutter rat.
Haven't you read "The King, the Mice, and the Cheese"?
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Old 22nd November 2018, 11:42 AM   #598
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From: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/22/polit...ton/index.html
The Los Angeles County District Attorney's office declined to file felony domestic violence charges against attorney Michael Avenatti on Wednesday, choosing instead to refer the case to the Los Angeles City Attorney's office for consideration of misdemeanor charges.

Anyone familiar with California law: How common is it for misdemeanor charges to be dropped?

Also from the same article:

They (Avenatti's lawyers) also said Avenatti's statements are bolstered by witnesses, as well as surveillance video in the halls, elevator and entrance to the building.

Granted, its Avenatti's own lawyers (so they might be biased), but if there were something captured on video I doubt they would claim otherwise. (I'm not sure just how much of the incident was supposed to have happened outside the apartment however.)
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Old 22nd November 2018, 09:31 PM   #599
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He's the guy she happened to hire. It's not like she was having a tough time finding representation and he bravely stepped up to take a stand.
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How do you know how many other lawyers she spoke to who didn't take the case? I'm not saying she did or didn't as I have no idea how difficult it was for her to find legal representation. My question is: do you?
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There's no evidence she asked or was rejected by anyone else; which is sufficient until reason to believe otherwise emerges.
No, it's not sufficient. You made an assumption based on no evidence one way or the other.
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No, it's not sufficient. You made an assumption based on no evidence one way or the other.
Given a complete lack of evidence, the null hypothesis IS the default assumption.
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