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Old 20th June 2018, 02:04 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Yeah, they were pretty good running the POW camps in WWII.

These are POW camps, right?

Or is Trump thinking to ship them off to Gitmo and house them with Al Qaeda and Taliban leftovers?
POW camps? These aren't prisoners, and this isn't a war.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:06 PM   #442
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There's also the Flores settlement that says that children must be released after no more than 20 days. Sorry trumpsters, the army can't run your concentration camps under the law.
That is why the Executive Order specifically requires that they modify the order.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:09 PM   #443
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Yeah, they were pretty good running the POW camps in WWII.

These are POW camps, right?

Or is Trump thinking to ship them off to Gitmo and house them with Al Qaeda and Taliban leftovers?
My former father-in-law emigrated to the U.S. after being held as a POW in Wisconsin. I don't think he had ever eaten so well in his life.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:13 PM   #444
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Re: Melania tweeting about meeting King/Queen of spain and talking about helping children....

She should start by keeping them away from her hubby and ol' man Sessions.
Yeah that was a remarkable tone-deaf thing for Melania to post, given the whole child-removal issue. You would figure Ivanka's experience (tweeting a pic of her and her kid) would have been enough of a warning: Don't talk about kids when Donald is in the process of harming children.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:14 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
My former father-in-law emigrated to the U.S. after being held as a POW in Wisconsin. I don't think he had ever eaten so well in his life.
We did everything we could to treat German POW's well. Mainly in the hopes that they would reciprocate. Not sure what that has to do with keeping children in fenced in cages.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:17 PM   #446
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
It might take a few years, but IMHO the GOP has signed it's death warrant as a major party with it's total surrender to Trump. Only a matter of time until a new party based on traditional conservative principals begins to form. The GOP arose because of the death of the Whigs in the 1850's; the GOP is following in the footsteps of the Whigs.
It's going to have to shed itself of quite a few people. We might see three parties for awhile: GOP, Dems, and some weird xenophobic America-First party, which I would guess is almost a third of the population.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:18 PM   #447
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
Correct, his system based style is to never apologize or capitulate, he will use this as leverage to get something bigger done, probably the wall.
Is this sarcasm?
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:20 PM   #448
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
GOd, I hope you are being sarcastic.
I honestly didn't see your post before I posted the same thing.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:23 PM   #449
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
Correct, his system based style is to never apologize or capitulate, he will use this as leverage to get something bigger done, probably the wall.
Its not a "system", its a personality disorder.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:24 PM   #450
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Now the press will attempt to portray Trump as being weak on immigration.
No, I think that's what the Trumpsters who were happy with the 'deterrent' are going to say. Except for Fox, which mainstream news has been reporting on Trump being weak on immigration? The press has been describing ending the DACA as a tragedy. That's not weak on immigration.

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Trump is now promoting drug smuggling and child trafficking simply because he signed this.

Watch CNN tonight to see.
On CNN? Really?

Are you sure you aren't projecting your own beliefs about immigrants?
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:26 PM   #451
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This will open the door for him to sign an executive order to build the wall, in the name of preventing families from coming over at non-ports-of-entry, and having to be separated.

He will look like a genius again.
Because if they try to come through legit ports of entry and ask for asylum, it's easier to block them.
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I think Sessions lot a lot of political cover over this, and the Senate committee on nominations might signal they're prepared to nominate a new AG. Trump would fire Sessions in a heartbeat, if he could.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:28 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
If he plans to pay for it himself, he can sign whatever he wants. Otherwise he's SOL on that front.
Hey, Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall and they won't. So Trump pretends to be a billionaire, Trump should pay for the wall not the taxpayers.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:28 PM   #454
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
It has to be said:
The kind of mentality we are seeing from the Trump supporters is exactly the mentality that allowes dictators to come to power.
I wonder how some posters here A) stumbled onto a critical thinking forum in the first place, and B) have kept with it for years.
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That is why the Executive Order specifically requires that they modify the order.
The executive order was not legally necessary to stop the separating of kids from parents while border crossing investigations are ongoing for each individual and/or family member.

The executive order was created to give the illusion that it was necessary, due to Trump and his Trumpettes lying about how only congress can make such a change.

This executive order performs an illusionary magic trick for the masses to "oooo" and "ahhh" about while serving the purpose of POTUS saving face.
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Some Canadian asshat named Pat Dussault directly threatened Trump's four year old grandchild, Chloe.

I hope these clowns don't resist when the Secret Service pays a call
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:34 PM   #457
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Some Canadian asshat named Pat Dussault directly threatened Trump's four year old grandchild, Chloe.

I hope these clowns don't resist when the Secret Service pays a call
In Canada? His twitter page seems to have been deactivated BTW, I dunno what he said.
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No, I think that's what the Trumpsters who were happy with the 'deterrent' are going to say. Except for Fox, which mainstream news has been reporting on Trump being weak on immigration? The press has been describing ending the DACA as a tragedy. That's not weak on immigration.

On CNN? Really?

Are you sure you aren't projecting your own beliefs about immigrants?
I was thinking maybe on Hannity. That is if Hannity can stop <metaphor for a sexual act that makes it impossible to speak performed on Trump> for a whole minute.
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I wonder how some posters here A) stumbled onto a critical thinking forum in the first place, and B) have kept with it for years.
amen, you'd think that they would have built up some immunity to TDS, but now we get wildly exaggerated hyperbole like Trump is a dictator and calls for armed violence.
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Old 20th June 2018, 02:38 PM   #460
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It might take a few years, but IMHO the GOP has signed it's death warrant as a major party with it's total surrender to Trump. Only a matter of time until a new party based on traditional conservative principals begins to form.
It's going to have to shed itself of quite a few people. We might see three parties for awhile: GOP, Dems, and some weird xenophobic America-First party, which I would guess is almost a third of the population.
So a 3 way vote split that will lead to some very messy elections. Although I figured it would be more GOP (filled with racists), Dems, and the "Good and decent party of conservatives"... i.e. the GOP would be stuck with the bad apples and the principled conservatives would go to the new party. After all, why would the racists leave the current GOP? They own the place!

The other issue I can see is that if/when the party filled with racists dies, the racists would simply migrate to the non-racist right-wing party, and we'd get a repeat of the current situation.
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amen, you'd think that they would have built up some immunity to TDS, but now we get wildly exaggerated hyperbole like Trump is a dictator and calls for armed violence.
I'm curious: Did you vote for Trump and if so, knowing what you know now, would you still have voted for him?
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In Canada? His twitter page seems to have been deactivated BTW, I dunno what he said.
he said we are coming after Chloe in response to a tweet from Donald Trump Jr.
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If a US citizen went into a bank and robbed it, and got caught while trying to drive away and by chance had his/her kids in the car, the kids would be separated from the parent who got arrested and put in jail.

Child protective services would likely put the child into a relative's care or foster care. The child(ren) would not be held in jail with the parent.
The magnitude of the crime differs, your analogy is a fail.
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The magnitude of the crime differs, your analogy is a fail.
Yeah, also the child is taken by a social worker until an appropriate family member can be found. And if not, they are put into foster care. They are not put into a cage.
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he said we are coming after Chloe in response to a tweet from Donald Trump Jr.
Is he a Canadian in the USA, or located in Canada?
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There is an entire twitter account dedicated to Doxxing ICE employees, like the sinister systems engineer.
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Yeah that was a remarkable tone-deaf thing for Melania to post, given the whole child-removal issue. You would figure Ivanka's experience (tweeting a pic of her and her kid) would have been enough of a warning: Don't talk about kids when Donald is in the process of harming children.
It's like Barbara Bush saying, "this is working very well for them" about Katrina's homeless people living in the Astrodome, they really don't have a clue how the little people live.

Barbara Bush reportedly said that Hurricane Katrina refugees being housed in the Astrodome were 'underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.'
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Is he a Canadian in the USA, or located in Canada?
don't know, he deleted his account after threatening a four year old.
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Some Canadian asshat named Pat Dussault directly threatened Trump's four year old grandchild, Chloe.

I hope these clowns don't resist when the Secret Service pays a call
Does your SS have jurisdiction inCanada?
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Its not a "system", its a personality disorder.
You have to question the intelligence of someone who thinks its a good idea for ANYBODY in a management position , let alone the POTUS, to never admit they made a mistake and never to back down when a course they are following is proving to be a mistake . At any level of management , those traits are considered to be a path to failure.
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Does your SS have jurisdiction inCanada?
Wait, that is the take away here?

Not that he threatened Chloe Trump, but that he might be in Canada?

huh.
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It has to be said:
The kind of mentality we are seeing from the Trump supporters is exactly the mentality that allowes dictators to come to power.
We've never seen anything like this assault on democratic institutions, and the lack of basic decency on display, all fervently supported by the Trump cult. I don't have context to draw upon. But is sure seems this way.

All my life I've blithely assumed that American democracy was a fixture set in stone, regardless the imperfections. I don't think that anymore. Now it seems fragile.
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I was thinking maybe on Hannity. That is if Hannity can stop <metaphor for a sexual act that makes it impossible to speak performed on Trump> for a whole minute.
Fox, and especially Hannity, will never say Trump is weak on anything.
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We've never seen anything like this assault on democratic institutions, and the lack of basic decency on display, all fervently supported by the Trump cult. I don't have context to draw upon. But is sure seems this way.

All my life I've blithely assumed that American democracy was a fixture set in stone, regardless the imperfections. I don't think that anymore. Now it seems fragile.
Given all the pleas for violence coming from the left in the last few days, it does seem fragile.
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POW camps? These aren't prisoners, and this isn't a war.
Note to self - start posting emoticons.
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Trump's POV, 'this has been going on for years and we're doing something about it.'
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I hope the media keep up the pressure on this story. The executive order seems to have a lot of wiggle room, as well as seemingly allowing for indefinite detention of these people.
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Given all the pleas for violence coming from the left in the last few days, it does seem fragile.
A Canadian and an actor who hasn't been a headliner in what, 35 or 40 years? Got anymore?
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I don't think what I said is stupid. Sometimes it's necessary to take up arms to defend freedom and Democracy against Fascism and tyranny. If things keep progressing as they are, we will soon be in a situation where the first shot will count for a lot.

ETA: I also think you should start considering ignoring the fascism-enablers on this forum. Let's discuss the problem without their constant bleeting.
Wise words. It's worth considering when violence becomes necessary, while also understanding that sometimes it's the right thing to do.

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What if instead of BLM we had black people shooting cops, and they did it on the grounds of fighting tyranny? Basically, a black person gets stopped and shoots first when they felt threatened. You think republicans would be supporting their 2nd amendment rights to fight the tyranny of government? What if black people created a militia to take out bad cops?
They would demand that BLM be called a terrorist group, insist that they're black supremacists, and threaten to kill them, while the FBI would monitor and prominent members.

This is, after all, exactly what they've been saying and doing for years, on the mere assertion that BLM shoots cops, despite these attacks actually being done by random criminals.
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Yeah, also the child is taken by a social worker until an appropriate family member can be found. And if not, they are put into foster care. They are not put into a cage.
Well...

Folks may want to look into the current racial disparities in which children get removed from their parents, and *why*. A lot of it is poverty-related more than anything else, which itself varies heavily based on race.

So maybe replace "bank heist" with "job interview", and realize that we're not the best in this regard either.

Not that this excuses Dolt 45's behavior at all, just an aside for folks to keep in mind for the future.
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