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Old 11th February 2019, 07:43 AM   #1
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Democrat congresswoman goes on anti-semitic tirade/Ilwan Omar is anti-Semitic

https://news.grabien.com/story-rep-i...witter-rampage

A series of tweets sent Sunday night from Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) are another addition for the latter category.


The tweets began after a writer for the Intercept, Glenn Greenwald, posted a story about Rep. Kevin McCarthy “threatening punishment” of Rep. Omar and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) “over their criticisms of Israel.” (As CNN’s Jake Tapper noted, McCarthy’s comments were actually directed at “what he sees as anti-Semitic rhetoric from Reps. Omar and Tlaib.”)

Rep. Omar responded to Greenwald’s post with, “It’s all about the Benjamins baby”

Congresswoman @IlhanMN just retweeted a criticism of her anti-Semitic tweet which said that “she might as well call us hook-nosed.” In response to the escalating anger over her tweets, Rep. Omar said she’s the victim of “smears.”

More recently Rep. Omar used Holocaust Remembrance Day to downplay the Holocaust"
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Old 11th February 2019, 07:51 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://news.grabien.com/story-rep-i...witter-rampage

A series of tweets sent Sunday night from Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) are another addition for the latter category.


The tweets began after a writer for the Intercept, Glenn Greenwald, posted a story about Rep. Kevin McCarthy “threatening punishment” of Rep. Omar and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) “over their criticisms of Israel.” (As CNN’s Jake Tapper noted, McCarthy’s comments were actually directed at “what he sees as anti-Semitic rhetoric from Reps. Omar and Tlaib.”)

Rep. Omar responded to Greenwald’s post with, “It’s all about the Benjamins baby”

Congresswoman @IlhanMN just retweeted a criticism of her anti-Semitic tweet which said that “she might as well call us hook-nosed.” In response to the escalating anger over her tweets, Rep. Omar said she’s the victim of “smears.”

More recently Rep. Omar used Holocaust Remembrance Day to downplay the Holocaust"
I might not be up to speed with this sort of stuff, but how in the "Benjamins" tweet anti-semitic? Also, could you explain how she downplayed the Holocaust?
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Is there a better-written article on this subject? After reading that one I'm still not entirely clear about what exactly went on.
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I fail to see what is anti-Semitic about criticizing Israel, a nation state, or questioning how much influence they have in our domestic policy.

An attack on Israel is not the same as an attack on Jewish people. It's a matter of public record that a number of pro-Israel lobbies are active and effective in influencing our foreign policy. Questioning this is not anti-Semitic.
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Old 11th February 2019, 07:58 AM   #5
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I might not be up to speed with this sort of stuff, but how in the "Benjamins" tweet anti-semitic?
The idea she's advancing is that American politicians who support Israel only do so because of a Jewish conspiracy to buy off those politicians.
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
https://news.grabien.com/story-rep-i...witter-rampage

A series of tweets sent Sunday night from Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) are another addition for the latter category.


The tweets began after a writer for the Intercept, Glenn Greenwald, posted a story about Rep. Kevin McCarthy “threatening punishment” of Rep. Omar and Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) “over their criticisms of Israel.” (As CNN’s Jake Tapper noted, McCarthy’s comments were actually directed at “what he sees as anti-Semitic rhetoric from Reps. Omar and Tlaib.”)

Rep. Omar responded to Greenwald’s post with, “It’s all about the Benjamins baby”

Congresswoman @IlhanMN just retweeted a criticism of her anti-Semitic tweet which said that “she might as well call us hook-nosed.” In response to the escalating anger over her tweets, Rep. Omar said she’s the victim of “smears.”

More recently Rep. Omar used Holocaust Remembrance Day to downplay the Holocaust"
You are wrong again.

Just because Rep. Ilhan Omar has complained about some of the things that the government of Israel is doing that does not automatically mean that Rep. Ilhan Omar is anti-semitic.
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Talking Israel in politics has reach the Peak Baggage Tipping Point so there's no neutral or nuanced way to say anything about it.
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I fail to see what is anti-Semitic about criticizing Israel, a nation state, or questioning how much influence they have in our domestic policy.

An attack on Israel is not the same as an attack on Jewish people. It's a matter of public record that a number of pro-Israel lobbies are active and effective in influencing our foreign policy. Questioning this is not anti-Semitic.
Yes, actually, it really is antisemitic when no equivalent questioning is done about the active anti-Israel lobbies.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The idea she's advancing is that American politicians who support Israel only do so because of a Jewish conspiracy to buy off those politicians.
Assuming that this is a correct assessment, how is that anti-semitic?

I don't think it's a secret that Israel enjoys a privileged position in American politics, though I'm not sure money is to blame as much as religion.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Yes, actually, it really is antisemitic when no equivalent questioning is done about the active anti-Israel lobbies.
How does that follow? You're describing hypocrisy, not anti-semitism.
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You are wrong again.

Just because Rep. Ilhan Omar has complained about some of the things that the government of Israel is doing that does not automatically mean that Rep. Ilhan Omar is anti-semitic.
Except those tweets weren't complaining about anything Israel is doing. So your defense of her doesn't even make sense.
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Assuming that this is a correct assessment, how is that anti-semitic?

I don't think it's a secret that Israel enjoys a privileged position in American politics, though I'm not sure money is to blame as much as religion.
It's precisely because money doesn't have much to do with it, but is blamed anyways. It's part of the antisemitic trope of Jews controlling finance.
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I might not be up to speed with this sort of stuff, but how in the "Benjamins" tweet anti-semitic? Also, could you explain how she downplayed the Holocaust?
Apparently this tweet-:

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Today #WeRemember the murder of 17 million people, including 6 million Jews at the hands of the Nazis.

With the rise of Anti-Semitic and Neo-Nazi ideology, it's more important than ever we learn from the atrocities of the past & commit to fighting intolerance. #HolocaustMemorial
Was downplaying the Holocaust. As offensive tweets go I feel she is some way from challenging the master.
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It's precisely because money doesn't have much to do with it, but is blamed anyways. It's part of the antisemitic trope of Jews controlling finance.
Right... could you, say, link to something that shows that this is what this particular person holds as true? Just so that we're not just talking past each other.
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How does that follow? You're describing hypocrisy, not anti-semitism.
And what exactly do you think motivates that hypocrisy?
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Jew here. Thanks for being offended on my behalf!

However, the suggestion that Israel spends large amounts to successfully lobby US politicians isn't an anti Semitic slur, its a demonstrable fact.
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Right... could you, say, link to something that shows that this is what this particular person holds as true? Just so that we're not just talking past each other.
It's in the link in the OP. She thinks American politicians are bought off by the AIPAC, even though AIPAC really doesn't give much money at all, and that there aren't any other motives for American support of Israel.
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Apparently this tweet-:



Was downplaying the Holocaust. As offensive tweets go I feel she is some way from challenging the master.
Yep clearly better to pull a Trump and not even mention the jews on holocaust remembrance day, plays well with so many of the people attacking her.
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Jew here. Thanks for being offended on my behalf!

However, the suggestion that Israel spends large amounts to successfully lobby US politicians isn't an anti Semitic slur, its a demonstrable fact.
But facts are totally at odds with the Republican Truth, that is why they need alternate facts for all this.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
It's precisely because money doesn't have much to do with it, but is blamed anyways. It's part of the antisemitic trope of Jews controlling finance.
I think it's more of a case of questioning why we allow Israel to be the tail that wags the dog in American politics. Conservatives are treating the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement as some form of outright bigotry, rather than a policy response to a foreign government engaged in questionable human rights enforcement.

A couple D's point out that money flows through these lobby groups, that's racist apparently, even though it is true.
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Apparently this tweet-:

Was downplaying the Holocaust.
I'm really confused now. How does that downplay anything?
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Jew here. Thanks for being offended on my behalf!

However, the suggestion that Israel spends large amounts to successfully lobby US politicians isn't an anti Semitic slur, its a demonstrable fact.
And how does that compare to, say, the amount of money Saudi Arabia spends?

Hell, how does that compare to how much any special interest lobby in the US spends?
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And what exactly do you think motivates that hypocrisy?
Considering the state of politics in the US, I'd be very careful to attribute it to anything but standard partisan nonsense.

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It's in the link in the OP. She thinks American politicians are bought off by the AIPAC, even though AIPAC really doesn't give much money at all, and that there aren't any other motives for American support of Israel.
Sorry the formatting of the link is a mess from my end and I can't see the tweets.
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And how does that compare to, say, the amount of money Saudi Arabia spends?
That's a good point but two wrongs don't make a right.
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And how does that compare to, say, the amount of money Saudi Arabia spends?

Hell, how does that compare to how much any special interest lobby in the US spends?
So when cries of racism fail, here comes whattaboutism.

At least when it comes to the Saudis, most politicians are willing to acknowledge that realpolitik is happening and it's not a great situation we are stuck with.

Point out that Israel is rapidly becoming an apartheid state and you're branded a bigot.
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Reps Omar and Tlaib were critical of attempts to pass legislation punishing people for engaging in BDS.

Rep Omar pointed out that there is a lot of money backing such legislation.

When asked who she believed was providing such funding, she replied with AIPAC, a lobbying group that represents the Israeli government, particularly the more...conservative elements.

People do use AIPAC, Israel, etc etc as code words for screaming "THE JEWS RUN THE WORLD".

However, there are legitimate and important criticisms to address the Israeli government, AIPAC, and the effect of lobbying on the government in general.

You can take a look at what was actually said and decide for yourself what is happening here
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The idea she's advancing is that American politicians who support Israel only do so because of a Jewish conspiracy to buy off those politicians.
No, she is advancing the idea that a specific piece of legislation is being supported because a lobbying group is pushing for it.
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Is there a better-written article on this subject? After reading that one I'm still not entirely clear about what exactly went on.
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I think it's more of a case of questioning why we allow Israel to be the tail that wags the dog in American politics.
That's begging the question, in the formal sense.

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Conservatives are treating the Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions movement as some form of outright bigotry
Because it largely is.

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rather than a policy response to a foreign government engaged in questionable human rights enforcement.
There are many worse human rights offenders, including all of Israel's neighbors. Why single out Israel for special condemnation? BDS isn't about foreign policy, and it isn't about human rights.
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I'm really confused now. How does that downplay anything?

By mentioning that people other than Jews died, I guess? There's a fixed amount of sympathy in the world, so giving some to other people takes it away from Jews.
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Reps Omar and Tlaib were critical of attempts to pass legislation punishing people for engaging in BDS.

Rep Omar pointed out that there is a lot of money backing such legislation.

When asked who she believed was providing such funding, she replied with AIPAC, a lobbying group that represents the Israeli government, particularly the more...conservative elements.

People do use AIPAC, Israel, etc etc as code words for screaming "THE JEWS RUN THE WORLD".

However, there are legitimate and important criticisms to address the Israeli government, AIPAC, and the effect of lobbying on the government in general.

You can take a look at what was actually said and decide for yourself what is happening here
This post is way too nuanced for the internet, man. Needs more black-and-white partisan rhetoric.
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That's a good point but two wrongs don't make a right.
Why is it wrong for people to try to advance their interests through the political system?
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Old 11th February 2019, 08:16 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
By mentioning that people other than Jews died, I guess? There's a fixed amount of sympathy in the world, so giving some to other people takes it away from Jews.
Everything's a zero-sum game, I guess.
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Old 11th February 2019, 08:18 AM   #34
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DO NOT CLICK THE LINK IN THE OP

Damn site locked up my computer and tried to give my windows PC a virus; I'm wasting time on a full system scan now.
Was the virus Republican or Democrat?
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
That's begging the question, in the formal sense.



Because it largely is.
That's an opinion that politicians are free to argue about without recrimination of animus.



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There are many worse human rights offenders, including all of Israel's neighbors. Why single out Israel for special condemnation? BDS isn't about foreign policy, and it isn't about human rights.
Israel is a close ally, and friendship comes with higher expectations of conduct. Questioning why we are such close allies with a country failing to meet certain expectations is a legitimate debate for our legislators to have.
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Is there a better-written article on this subject? After reading that one I'm still not entirely clear about what exactly went on.
I had never heard of that particular news source/web site before. So I looked them up on mediabias....

From: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/grabien-news/
Overall, we rate Grabien Right biased based on story selection and sourcing that significantly favors the right. We also rate them borderline Questionable for factual reporting due to failed checks and use of sources that have very poor track records with fact checkers.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Everything's a zero-sum game, I guess.
I think they fixed the quota the same time a couple of tweets became a 'tirade'.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
There are many worse human rights offenders, including all of Israel's neighbors. Why single out Israel for special condemnation?
How about we condemn ALL of them proportionately to their crime and encourage better behaviour from even the better ones?

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Why is it wrong for people to try to advance their interests through the political system?
Please. If those interests include stifling freedom of speech in the US, do you not think that would be "wrong", from the American perspective?
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Israel is a close ally, and friendship comes with higher expectations of conduct.
That's a counter-productive way to run your foreign policy.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I had never heard of that particular news source/web site before. So I looked them up on mediabias....

From: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/grabien-news/
Overall, we rate Grabien Right biased based on story selection and sourcing that significantly favors the right. We also rate them borderline Questionable for factual reporting due to failed checks and use of sources that have very poor track records with fact checkers.
Interesting website. They put the Guardian as left-leaning but not far left as some here have claimed. Politico, as usual, scores centrist.
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