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Old 11th February 2019, 09:09 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
...Can I suggest we need a new game here: Did Trump Write That? The aim of the game is to analyse the writing and content of each Trump tweet and then offer a possible author's name...

Some website has a software program with algorithms that are supposed to be able to tell to a fairly high degree of accuracy Trump tweets written by The Dunce from the ones a staffer wrote. I agree with you, no way Donnie wrote the 40 years tweet. Write it, heck he wouldn't even understand it if it was explained to him.
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Old 11th February 2019, 09:26 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Some website has a software program with algorithms that are supposed to be able to tell to a fairly high degree of accuracy Trump tweets written by The Dunce from the ones a staffer wrote.
Thanks for the heads-up. I think I found it.

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I agree with you, no way Donnie wrote the 40 years tweet. Write it, heck he wouldn't even understand it if it was explained to him.
While that is obviously amusing, what it also raises is the possibility that the whole Trump "machine" is not so much a product of Donny's putrid imagination as it is a product of a concerted effort by a team (of putrid imaginations) some of whom are actually in reasonable contact with the real world.

If that is so, it suggests that President Trump genuinely is little more than a sock-puppet to other influencing factors, a PINO. And where that line of thought goes could be...anywhere!
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Old 11th February 2019, 10:57 PM   #43
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Looks like the dueling rallies didn't erupt into riots. I guess that is a bonus.
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Old 12th February 2019, 12:05 AM   #44
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OMG.


At the rally Trump actually said that Gov Northam is on record as wanting to execute healthy newborn babies.


Trumpenfuher is going to get someone killed.
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Old 12th February 2019, 12:17 AM   #45
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Can Northam not sue Trump for slander?
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Old 12th February 2019, 12:52 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Absolutely certainly NOT Trump's thumbs involved in this.

Given the propensity of reasonable grammar, good spelling, multi-syllable words, and now viable Arabic inclusions, it is now perfectly clear somebody else is running his tweet feed. Someone with actual writing skills and a working brain. Not necessarily a nice person, but certainly not MAGA Dump.

Can I suggest we need a new game here: Did Trump Write That? The aim of the game is to analyse the writing and content of each Trump tweet and then offer a possible author's name. We then keep a tally of tweet counts by name, and see where this leads us. Note, this is not an attempt to analyse what the content means or react to it. It's an exercise in information analysis. Any up for this?
It looks like something John Bolton would write but they probably just ran it through Google Translate instead of having an actual Farsi linguist translate it for them.
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:30 AM   #47
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Can Northam not sue Trump for slander?
Probably not in America. The defence can be that it was intended as hyperbole rather than literally, and Trump already has a court ruling which essentially says that he talks so much bollocks all the time that no reasonable person could take anything he says seriously.
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:32 AM   #48
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A bipartisan agreement has been reached to continue funding the government
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Old 12th February 2019, 01:32 AM   #49
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It looks like something John Bolton would write but they probably just ran it through Google Translate instead of having an actual Farsi linguist translate it for them.
I should have said Farsi instead of Arabic. Not the same. Thanks for theheads up.

This also reinforces the notion it was Bolton. He has the irrational hots for hitting Iran.
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Old 12th February 2019, 02:50 AM   #50
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I was watching the rally on CNN just now, but had to turn it off when he accused Democrats of wanting to execute new born beautiful babies.

The lies are non stop.
Yeah, that was misleading.

Democrats want to sacrifice new born beautiful babies to their heathen gods.
And afterwards drink their blood to stay young.


It's shameful that Trump doesn't bother to get his facts straight.
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Old 12th February 2019, 04:32 AM   #51
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The really odd thing is how his approval has improved since the shutdown stopped.

Nate Silver did predict that though.
Just can't keep a floating turd down.
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Old 12th February 2019, 05:16 AM   #52
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We are fighting for all Americans, from all backgrounds, of every age, race, religion, birthplace, color & creed. Our agenda is NOT a partisan agenda – it is the mainstream, common sense agenda of the American People. Thank you El Paso, Texas - I love you!
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Old 12th February 2019, 05:25 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

We are fighting for all Americans, from all backgrounds, of every age, race, religion, birthplace, color & creed. Our agenda is NOT a partisan agenda – it is the mainstream, common sense agenda of the American People. Thank you El Paso, Texas - I love you!
Who tweeted this? Mirror-universe bizarro anti-Trump?
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Old 12th February 2019, 05:32 AM   #54
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Trump Tweets

We are fighting for all Americans, from all backgrounds, of every age, race, religion, birthplace, color & creed. Our agenda is NOT a partisan agenda – it is the mainstream, common sense agenda of the American People. Thank you El Paso, Texas - I love you!
"We are the Alt-Right. We will NOT add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. "
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Old 12th February 2019, 05:40 AM   #55
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Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/do....co/WxJWyf5pY9
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/do....co/WxJWyf5pY9
Can anyone clarify the number of deplorables shouting "Let Him Go! Let Him Go!"
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Old 12th February 2019, 05:55 AM   #57
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Isn't that less than the deal offered before Xmas? I had £1.7b in my head for improvements to fencing etc...

May be mis-remembering, so happy to be corrected.
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Old 12th February 2019, 06:06 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

We are fighting for all Americans, from all backgrounds, of every age, race, religion, birthplace, color & creed. Our agenda is NOT a partisan agenda – it is the mainstream, common sense agenda of the American People. Thank you El Paso, Texas - I love you!
Only his supporters don't believe him on this, but they don't care that he lies about such things.
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Old 12th February 2019, 06:31 AM   #59
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Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/do....co/WxJWyf5pY9
"Incredibly violent"? What superlative would they use to describe the violence of a mass stabbing?
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Thanks for the heads-up. I think I found it...
Yes that's it, Trump or not. Here's an Atlantic Monthly article from a year ago describing it:
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For at least two years, an open secret lurked in the the metadata behind President Donald Trump’s personal Twitter account. Folks quickly noticed that his boring tweets—event announcements, press releases on polls—were usually sent from an iPhone, probably a staffer’s. The 3 a.m. rants, on the other hand, were generally sent from an Android. Guess which kind of phone Trump uses personally?

This was great for data-minded journalists like myself, because we could infer when Trump himself was tweeting, tapping away at his Samsung Galaxy. Trump tweets were quantifiably different than staffer tweets, angrier and posted later at night (not to mention more poorly spelled). Link
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"Incredibly violent"? What superlative would they use to describe the violence of a mass stabbing?
From what i have read, the cameraman was shoved over, in part as a result of other media being shoved. I agree with you, calling this 'incredibly violent' is ridiculous and will feed 'fake news' confirmation bias.
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"Incredibly violent"? What superlative would they use to describe the violence of a mass stabbing?
Horrendously.
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Trump is so insecure, he is playing the "my crowd is bigger than yours" game with Beto now. It's pathetic.
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Highlights from last night's rally in El Paso as reported by local media.

Local ABC affiliate KVIA reported that Donald Trump, Jr. appeared before his father.
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Trump Jr. spoke Monday night shortly before his father was due to address the crowd in El Paso. He says he loves seeing young conservatives at the rally. He tells them "to keep up that fight, bring it to your schools. You don't have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth." Link
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In the first dueling rallies of the 2020 campaign season, Trump's "Finish the Wall" rally in El Paso went head-to-head against counterprogramming by former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, a former Democratic congressman and potential Trump rival in 2020, who argued that walls cause more problems than they solve.

More than a half-hour into his rally, Trump had scarcely mentioned immigration, offering just a passing suggestion that those chanting "Build the Wall" switch to "Finish the Wall." Instead, he mocked O'Rourke, insisting the Texan has "very little going for himself except he's got a great first name" and mocking his crowd size, even though both men drew thousands. "That may be the end of his presidential bid," Trump quipped, adding: "You're supposed to win in order to run." Link
Most painful of all is, the local TV station is right, this was a nothing but a campaign rally, but with Donnie's expenses probably picked up by the U.S. taxpayer. What a bunch of covfefe.
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Old 12th February 2019, 07:13 AM   #65
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Isn't that less than the deal offered before Xmas? I had £1.7b in my head for improvements to fencing etc...

May be mis-remembering, so happy to be corrected.
You're absolutely correct. And it's much, much less than the amount offered in the previous bill which would have seen DREAMers protected.

Art of the deal.
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I should have said Farsi instead of Arabic. Not the same. Thanks for theheads up.

This also reinforces the notion it was Bolton. He has the irrational hots for hitting Iran.
I don't think it's a huge departure from previous U.S. policy toward Iran. The U.S. has always been critical of the regime, but has not pushed very hard to change things. We have had limited military alliances with Iran several times in the past 40 years.
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"Finish the Wall" just doesn't work well as a chant. You need 3 syllables. "Build the Wall." "Lock her up." Etc.
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Most painful of all is, the local TV station is right, this was a nothing but a campaign rally, but with Donnie's expenses probably picked up by the U.S. taxpayer. What a bunch of covfefe.
....is that legal?
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....is that legal?
Nope. Trump does lots of illegal stuff and isn't held accountable for it, though.
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....is that legal?
What law would it violate?

After all, the president has a right to travel anywhere in the US on the taxpayers dime.
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Does Donnie Jr usually open for Dad? Can you imagine the son of a US president telling high schoolers in an age of school violence, to "bring the fight to their school," to resist "loser teachers" trying to indoctrinate them in socialism? Then Dad gets up and blasts an opponent by saying they have "very little going for himself?" This is not the Kennedys!

By the way, that is a standard Trump put-down. They have "very little going for themselves." He's been using it for years. Years ago, a writer in New York did a profile on Trump, with Donnie's cooperation. Donnie hated the finished book and wrote the author a letter which stated: "I knew as soon as we met that you had very little going for yourself." The writer had the letter framed and it occupies a place on honor on his wall. (He also wrote a letter back to Trump in which expressed regret Trump didn't like the book. He enclosed a check for $39.99 as a refund. Trump cashed it, too.)
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Everything a sitting member of office who is eligible for another term does while in office is campaigning for the next term. That's an impossible hair to split.
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What law would it violate?

After all, the president has a right to travel anywhere in the US on the taxpayers dime.
If he's campaigning, no.
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Everything a sitting member of office who is eligible for another term does while in office is campaigning for the next term. That's an impossible hair to split.
I don't know, holding rallies seems rather distinctly campaigny, compared to attending meetings in the Oval Office, etc.
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I don't know, holding rallies seems rather distinctly campaigny, compared to attending meetings in the Oval Office, etc.
The difference between a rally and a speech is the difference between erotica and pornography.
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It's not really true, I don't think, that incumbent presidents get to travel for campaign purposes with the federal government picking up the tab. This has been in the news a lot, including on NPR back in 2016 when Hillary Clinton rode with Barack Obama to a North Carolina rally on Air Force One. Her campaign had to reimburse the U.S. Government for the cost of using Air Force One:
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[P]olitical reimbursement rates were even cheaper, based on the cost of commercial airfare. So the Obama re-election campaign paid a higher reimbursement rate in 2012 than the Bush re-election campaign did eight years earlier. Commercial airfares are still used to calculate the costs paid by journalists traveling aboard Air Force One, unless there's a separate press charter, in which case journalists pay the full cost of that plane. Campaign rules also spell out an alternative reimbursement rate that candidates can use for government aircraft on which the public is allowed to travel for a published fee. Link
The difference is, George Bush and Barack Obama were completely different types of people than is Donald Trump. They were willing to pay for legitimate campaign expenses, both men obviously saw the fairness of it, and reimbursed the government when they traveled on Air Force One (for security reasons) but did so for campaign purposes. I doubt very much Trump will want to reimburse the government if he thinks he can get away with stiffing it. After all, he probably thinks the federal government "has very little going for itself."
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The difference between a rally and a speech is the difference between erotica and pornography.
Agreed: there is indeed a significant difference despite a broad similarity.
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What law would it violate?

After all, the president has a right to travel anywhere in the US on the taxpayers dime.
Yes and no, in principle for pure campaign issues I think the campaign is supposed to pay a token fee for the travel. Certainly it should be the campaign booking the venue and such.
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Old 12th February 2019, 08:11 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
....is that legal?
Yes, with some buts.

The president's travel expenses are covered by taxpayers, because the president must always have Secret Service protection. Certain other expenses, like renting a venue, are probably covered by Trump's campaign, not by taxpayers.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The difference between a rally and a speech is the difference between erotica and pornography.
The media has called this a campaign rally. I am pretty sure that the bulk is paid for by the campaign, not the government. (The government might have to foot the bill for security and even travel, not sure.)

Until someone can find clear evidence that this was primarily paid for by the US Gov't, I think that people are getting upset for no reason. Presidents do hold campaign events while in office (though no president started the campaign on the day of the inauguration before).
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