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Old 1st March 2019, 07:42 AM   #601
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I'd rather not, thank you.

Sorry. Should have known to add not to do it without a full body condom on.
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Old 1st March 2019, 07:46 AM   #602
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Originally Posted by cantonear1968 View Post
Sorry. Should have known to add not to do it without a full body condom on.
Well, we don't know where these posters have been, after all.
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If I could ask one question and it is an honest one:

I watched most of the Cohen testimony on Wednesday. I was struck by the draw-dropping behavior of the Republicans. They, in my opinion, were derelict of their congressional duty. They in no way were interested in uncovering possible crimes by the current President of the United States. In fact, quite the opposite; their interst lay in defending him and labeling Cohen a liar at every possible turn.

So my honest question is: did this same sort of behavior take place by democrats during the Clinton Benghazi hearings? I didn't watch any of it; a few clips from news reports is all. So I have no idea if the Democrats acted in the same partisan way.

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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Your jealous?
Your sentence is incomplete. His jealous what?
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Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
You were actually writing “Ratsistance”, because you seemed to honestly think it was clever.

See also: “grifter”
Hi! I actually was writing both.

Ratsistance is bang on, spot on the money.

the Resistance is made up of grifters like Lanny Davis, and the mewling House Democrat Party members, etc.
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Old 1st March 2019, 08:53 AM   #607
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Avid readers of this thread will note that I have discussed in some detail the reason why Cohen became the rat of the day, and fell under the sway of Super Rat Fink and Clinton-Grifter Lanny Davis. the reason is that Mueller and his thugs threatened Cohen's wife.

From his former close friend:

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Lynne Patton: […] 3) Many of you may already know that I considered Michael Cohen to be one of my very best friends. Countless people can confirm that we were virtually inseparable during my employment at Trump – and that he is, single-handedly – responsible for introducing me to the Trump family and effectively changing my entire life. I would be lying if I didn’t admit that my heart still breaks for him and for his family, with whom I had grown extremely close.

4) What many of you may not be aware of is the fact that I can personally confirm that the ONLY reason Michael Cohen “turned on” the President of the United States is because Mueller threatened to throw his wife in jail for up to 30 years. Period. She is the co-guarantor of a $20M personal loan that Mueller discovered Michael secured back in 2015 by falsely inflating the value of his taxi medallions – effectively making her part & parcel to the federal charge of “Making False Statements to a Financial Institution,” to which Cohen ultimately plead guilty. This is also the reason why Cohen’s longtime taxi medallion partner, Evgeny “Gene” Freidman, was granted immunity. (read more)
This should be chilling, but no doubt it will be gobbled down with relish by the Never Trumpers.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Hi! I actually was writing both.

Ratsistance is bang on, spot on the money.

the Resistance is made up of grifters like Lanny Davis, and the mewling House Democrat Party members, etc.
Whoo hoo!
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
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Okay so what's the narrative been reduced to now? That Trump, the bestest at everything, is so monumentally bad at picking members of his most intimate inner circle that at this point damn near literally all of them have either turned evil or betrayed him?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Avid readers of this thread will note that I have discussed in some detail the reason why Cohen became the rat of the day, and fell under the sway of Super Rat Fink and Clinton-Grifter Lanny Davis. the reason is that Mueller and his thugs threatened Cohen's wife.

From his former close friend:



This should be chilling, but no doubt it will be gobbled down with relish by the Never Trumpers.

Sad. Link
You understand that there is nothing in that article which proves Cohen lied about what he knew. Even taken at face value, that this friend can personally confirm his actions, it does not make his testimony untrue. His wife can be threatened and that's why he chose to cooperate about his actions as Trump's fixer.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay so what's the narrative been reduced to now? That Trump, the bestest at everything, is so monumentally bad at picking members of his most intimate inner circle that at this point damn near literally all of them have either turned evil or betrayed him?
And surprisingly, a lot of them were also bad when he hired them in the first place.

I think the GOP is just hoping nobody remembers the cheques signed by Trump.
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So my honest question is: did this same sort of behavior take place by democrats during the Clinton Benghazi hearings? I didn't watch any of it; a few clips from news reports is all. So I have no idea if the Democrats acted in the same partisan way.

The big difference is that there was no credible evidence presented during the several dozen Benghazi hearings.
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Avid readers of this thread will note that I have discussed in some detail the reason why Cohen became the rat of the day, and fell under the sway of Super Rat Fink and Clinton-Grifter Lanny Davis. the reason is that Mueller and his thugs threatened Cohen's wife.
I thought it was that bloke Gaetz who did that?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Okay so what's the narrative been reduced to now? That Trump, the bestest at everything, is so monumentally bad at picking members of his most intimate inner circle that at this point damn near literally all of them have either turned evil or betrayed him?
You'd think that pattern of discovering that once you scratch the surface of these cats they are rotten would maybe start ringing a bell by now...
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The big difference is that there was no credible evidence presented during the several dozen Benghazi hearings.


Guy who was convicted of lying to Congress puts on a dog and pony show for the Resistance; Credible? Hoo boy.

Although I do fully concede that there was no credible evidence during the Benghazi hearings on October 22, 2015 and January 23, 2013...'What Difference, Does It Make?'
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You'd think that pattern of discovering that once you scratch the surface of these cats they are rotten would maybe start ringing a bell by now...
It looks like there's no bell to ring there.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Hi! I actually was writing both.

Ratsistance is bang on, spot on the money.

the Resistance is made up of grifters like Lanny Davis, and the mewling House Democrat Party members, etc.
Yeah but are they bluepilled? That's what I want to know.
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I watched most of the Cohen testimony on Wednesday. I was struck by the draw-dropping behavior of the Republicans.
I assume you meant "drawers-dropping".

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So my honest question is: did this same sort of behavior take place by democrats during the Clinton Benghazi hearings? I didn't watch any of it; a few clips from news reports is all. So I have no idea if the Democrats acted in the same partisan way.
I don't remember anything similar, but I assume a few Democrats did and I've just forgotten about it. I hope someone will cite specific examples of Democrats behaving just as badly in hearings such as this.

Your question is a little unfair, since there were something on the order of six separate hearings on Benghazi, so there were more opportunities for misbehavior by members of both parties. If you're asking about the one in which Hillary Clinton testified, which lasted 11 hours, almost all observers who have retained any shred of credibility say Clinton handled herself admirably. Before the hearing, however, a couple of Republican representatives had made public statements suggesting that, in their mind, the hearings were at least partly about the political goal of diminishing Clinton's support among potential voters. Some of the Democratic representatives suggested repeatedly that the real goal of the hearing was primarily political. The following exchange between committee chair Trey Gowdy and Elijah Cummings was apparently one of the more noteworthy:
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Cummings: "You asked for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!"
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Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
I assume you meant "drawers-dropping".


I don't remember anything similar, but I assume a few Democrats did and I've just forgotten about it. I hope someone will cite specific examples of Democrats behaving just as badly in hearings such as this.

Your question is a little unfair, since there were something on the order of six separate hearings on Benghazi, so there were more opportunities for misbehavior by members of both parties. If you're asking about the one in which Hillary Clinton testified, which lasted 11 hours, almost all observers who have retained any shred of credibility say Clinton handled herself admirably. Before the hearing, however, a couple of Republican representatives had made public statements suggesting that, in their mind, the hearings were at least partly about the political goal of diminishing Clinton's support among potential voters. Some of the Democratic representatives suggested repeatedly that the real goal of the hearing was primarily political. The following exchange between committee chair Trey Gowdy and Elijah Cummings was apparently one of the more noteworthy:
Yes. That is what I was specifically asking about and thank you for your response. I too have no doubt this was political theatre leading up to the 2016 election. And from your description it sounds like this was handled , for the most part, with more semblance of hearing decorum than what I witnessed on Wednesday. There was no doubt the GOP in the Cohen hearing were there as Trump's defense team. It was rather shameful to watch.
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Lets not turn this into a rehashing of the benghazi thread, which already exist, and was filled with useful information by actually forum superstars like 16.5.
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Cohen implied somewhere around 17 crimes by Trump, but don't worry; the only ones that will stick are the ones that can be corroborated. Well, actually, I guess that means you should worry, since some already have been. Or do you really think the continued attacks of Cohen will distract from your Super Rat King's crimes? Do you have a Plan B?

But as for "no Russian collusion," Cohen testified that he believes Donnie Jr. told Trump about the Trump Tower meeting, and that he heard Roger Stone tell Trump about being in contact with WikiLeaks about distributing stolen emails. We already know there was collusion, without Cohen's testimony; we're just waiting to see who Mueller indicts.
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And surprisingly, a lot of them were also bad when he hired them in the first place.
Trump said they were the best people. Are you calling Trump a liar?
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"Michael Cohen, Trump's most trusted & intimate fixer who now hates him, was (a) never in Prague, (b) knows of no blackmail leverage the Kremlin has & (c) never heard any attempts to conspire with Russia over the election. The media silence over these crucial facts is deafening."

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/not sure if Cohen hates "Mr. Trump" or that is an act designed to protect his wife from the Mueller Gang of Thugs
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I thought it was that bloke Gaetz who did that?
And Trump threatened his father-in-law.
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Cohen implied somewhere around 17 crimes by Trump, but don't worry; the only ones that will stick are the ones that can be corroborated. Well, actually, I guess that means you should worry, since some already have been. Or do you really think the continued attacks of Cohen will distract from your Super Rat King's crimes? Do you have a Plan B?

But as for "no Russian collusion," Cohen testified that he believes Donnie Jr. told Trump about the Trump Tower meeting, and that he heard Roger Stone tell Trump about being in contact with WikiLeaks about distributing stolen emails. We already know there was collusion, without Cohen's testimony; we're just waiting to see who Mueller indicts.
All of your circumstantial evidence of collusion can also be used to support an explanation of no conclusion.
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All of your circumstantial evidence of collusion can also be used to support an explanation of no conclusion.
Nonsense; the only issue is whether or not Trump will personally get away with "plausible deniability." The Trump Tower meeting was collusion: Donnie Jr. and cohorts met with Russians to find out what kind of dirt they had on Hillary and what they wanted for it, and Donnie Jr. basically admits that he didn't think it was worth what they wanted: lifting Magnitsky Act sanctions. But then we know that Donnie Sr. did try to lift the sanctions without Congressional involvement, which is circumstantial evidence that a different deal was reached. And we know that Manafort gave private polling data to Russia right at the time they were targeting their anti-Hillary social media campaign.
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Something I heard recently, that made me think. A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence. Whoa, dude.
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Nonsense; the only issue is whether or not Trump will personally get away with "plausible deniability." The Trump Tower meeting was collusion: Donnie Jr. and cohorts met with Russians to find out what kind of dirt they had on Hillary and what they wanted for it, and Donnie Jr. basically admits that he didn't think it was worth what they wanted: lifting Magnitsky Act sanctions. But then we know that Donnie Sr. did try to lift the sanctions without Congressional involvement, which is circumstantial evidence that a different deal was reached. And we know that Manafort gave private polling data to Russia right at the time they were targeting their anti-Hillary social media campaign.
Here is the alternative explanation: nothing came from the meeting because she misrepresented what she had.
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Lets not turn this into a rehashing of the benghazi thread, which already exist, and was filled with useful information by actually forum superstars like 16.5.
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Something I heard recently, that made me think. A smoking gun is circumstantial evidence. Whoa, dude.
Yes, circumstantial evidence is any evidence that requires an inference to relate it to a crime, and when you see someone holding a smoking gun over a dead body, there's only one possible inference.
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Lets not turn this into a rehashing of the benghazi thread, which already exist, and was filled with useful information by actually forum superstars like 16.5.
Wasn't attempting to. I asked an honest question about those hearings in relation to the Cohen hearings. I was actually hoping you would have answered.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1101490020697792518

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Rep. Eric Swalwell on closed-door meeting with Cohen: "We learned a lot more new valuable information about what Michael Cohen heard, saw, did, was asked to do, and he's going to come back in a couple of days with some corroborating documents and take more questions from us."
Video embedded in tweet.
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Yes, circumstantial evidence is any evidence that requires an inference to relate it to a crime, and when you see someone holding a smoking gun over a dead body, there's only one possible inference.
And there is a non criminal inference based on. The circumstantial evidence.
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Yes, circumstantial evidence is any evidence that requires an inference to relate it to a crime, and when you see someone holding a smoking gun over a dead body, there's only one possible inference.
That he chased the murderer away and took his gun?
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Here is the alternative explanation: nothing came from the meeting because she misrepresented what she had.
The very nature of the meeting makes it collusion, and anyway, we're only on version 5.0 or so of what happened at the meeting.
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That he chased the murderer away and took his gun?
And it's still smoking?
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And it's still smoking?
It was either just seconds ago, or he was firing at the fleeing murderer, also seconds ago.
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
The very nature of the meeting makes it collusion, and anyway, we're only on version 5.0 or so of what happened at the meeting.
No, it doesn't. If I try to get in touch with the mafia, but I only get in touch with someone lying about how well they know the mafia, I never actually colluded with the mafia.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
No, it doesn't. If I try to get in touch with the mafia, but I only get in touch with someone lying about how well they know the mafia, I never actually colluded with the mafia.
However that isn't an accurate analogy for the Trump Tower meeting.

Trying to get in touch with the mafia and actually having a meeting with the mafia is a better analogy.
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