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19th May 2020, 10:42 AM | #41 |
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Yes, I did a few Google searches on the incident and there is much better information out there. Just one example:
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19th May 2020, 10:59 AM | #49 |
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Well they resisted arrest while not having a charge to actually be arrested for so clearly that means the cops were in the right.
The cops are racist, their basic statistics prove it. I know you feel that there is never such a thing as driving while black and the police totally have reasons for stop and frisking mostly blacks and so on. As no individual incident is ever racist the totallity is not racist and those statistics are dirty liberal lies. |
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Got it the statistics that show that black people get harrassed more treated more harshly and so on in no way show any racism and there really is no racism to speak of. It is just that cops explode into violence for no reason on a regular basis and for totally non racist reasons blacks seem to suffer these explosions more than whites but it is totally never about race. It is just that cops are senselessly violent thugs.
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Not at all, everyone is racist because race colors everyones perceptions constantly. I know there is clearly nothing racist about shooting a black man because his blackness makes him more threatening that a white man in the same situation because it was not someone saying "I'm going to kill a black man" and that is the only kind of killing that can ever be racist in your book.
I know you hate the police so much that you don't think they even need a reason to go crazy and beat the crap out of someone, but why is that so much better than bringing up that these massive over reactions seem to effect different races highly disproportionately? Everyone is racist the goal is to be less racist, and this situation comes across as pretty damn racist. |
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19th May 2020, 12:49 PM | #57 |
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Everything else is preamble. The actual incident happened at the return counter. I bet we never hear from any other witness or see a video of the start of things there.
It's media grandstanding by the plaintiff' lawyer in a civil suit. Or do you think there are journalists waiting at the court house and reviewing every civil suit that gets filed? |
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The police and the plaintiffs seem to agree on these points:
1. The police knew the licence number of the vehicle the suspect drove and got a good look at him. They therefore knew who the suspect was and could ID him and his address. 2. The Store had CCTV so again the ID of the suspect was no problem. The store would also have all the necessary ID info like name and address. 3. The store could easily and immediately provide information on whether the TV was stolen or not. 4. The TV was returned to the suspect by the police the next day. In other words - turns out it was not stolen. Sounds like a job for one cop. Not necessarily the best cop you got - just a cop who could see well enough to read (a grade 8 level would be all that was required to read a receipt and check serial numbers) and ask a couple of questions. The mere fact that 4 cops were involved indicates to me that they were wanting trouble. Not because they expected that the suspect and his mother would cause trouble - it's just that the cops wanted to exert a lot of force on someone and were well aware that they could provoke a response and use a lot of force. Fun times. Gang mentality. As a former cop - these things make me want to vomit. Police brutality planned and carried out. Again - when |
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Subtle?
The fact is this happened and the known facts of the case are not in favor of the alleged law abidingness of everyone in this situation except the black guy and his soon to be 65" richer mama. Me thinks you're overplaying your bias and gene pool. I can't actually think like a black American but I can by way of current events and history see why their behavior may not always meet my lily white expectations. That's just me though. Finding excuses for what passes for bad behavior....like being too honest while black. |
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How about cops aren't always eating doughnuts?
Seriously. I mean if two black people trying to return a TV they legit paid for isn't enough reason for a beating, what is? Maybe they were dealing crack to other customers while waiting? I'd rather err on the side of humanity I guess and we've seen what stands for humanity in much of rural and southern US so I'd I think I'll stick with the guy and his ma. |
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As noted right in the OP (and by me later), they bought other things at the store. Given the bulk nature of the store, filling the car enough so that a giant TV won't fit would be pretty easy.
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I'm not doubting anything. It just "came to mind" as lionking said. I literally have the same make of car and the same measurement of TV, and it worked. If anything, this story makes me even more likely to keep the old Lexus, which has 120,000 miles on it and still runs great. Maybe the 2018 models got smaller in the back.
There are a zillion details about this story that have yet to be filled in from the OP. I have no idea what really happened here. Four cops just happened to be at the ETA - Fixed. I read one of the comments here with the word "Costco" in it and my mind went to the wrong store. I don't even know whether Sam's Club has hot dogs. |
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Thing is, if you could see a video of this incident, start to finish - and a video of every other incident like this which happens, you'd eventually be reacting to a story like this with an attitude of "only black people could manage to turn a TV return into a beating by cops"
Why? Because it's entirely true. The confrontational attitude, the anger, the yelling, the getting in people's faces, the belligerence, the unreasonable approach, the "not taking yes for an answer", the threatening, the incredibly poor reaction to coming up against any sort of store policy, etc. and on and on. White people see an eye-grabbing headline "black man beaten by cops in checkout line at Target!" or something, and they are aghast because they mentally project themselves and how they interact with people into that scenario and they cannot possibly imagine how it would come to such an outcome. The missing ingredient? Blackness. |
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Oh, then that must be why the man was being arrested for disorderly conduct, making threats, trespassing after being asked to leave, assault, disturbing the peace... But, hey look, no, he wasn't. "Resisting arrest." Huh. You'd almost think the store security video of the episode actually won't show any of those things. |
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Seriously. I don't doubt any part of the story.
All I want to know is, what the hell happened between "we went to return the TV" and "four cops beat the crap out of us at the returns counter". And also, while I don't doubt they returned it, I am kinda curious why.
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If you believe the cops...
Sam's Club said the TV was stolen so cops tried to arrest Derek. Derek resisted and attempted to use a fire extinguisher as a weapon against the cops. Mavia went ballistic and got physical with the cops. The cops called in more cops. Are the cops lying ? Maybe but since a lawsuit has been filed we're not going to get much more information on this until the suit is settled. |
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They returned because of indignation over the accusation of stealing the TV. Most likely, the son got the TV home to give to his mom, told her the story, and she got pissed off and told him he needed to return it and, "By the way, I'm going with you to give someone a piece of my mind."
When I was a kid, I was yelled at (for examining a button at an escalator - seriously) by an employee at Montgomery Ward while I was with my grandparents. My grandma told off the manager, paid the balance on their Montgomery Ward credit card, closed the account, and my grandparents never went to one of their stores again...after shopping there regularly for years. My point being that the indignation that comes when someone feels a close family member has been mistreated...it can be powerful. |
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